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Yachtie -> The Terror that is... (3/30/2013 11:51:37 AM)

Cyprus?


A few days ago, when news hit that Cyprus has begun investigating who the people were who had managed to pull cash out of nation's insolvent banks, both during the capital control "blackout" period and previously, we asked "how much longer will the rule of law remain in Cyprus once full blown class warfare is unleashed, and the 99% are generously handed the list of the 1% who were "informed" enough to pull their money from the flaming sovereign equivalent of Bernie Madoff, while every other uninsured depositor is facing losses of up to 80%, and soon 100%?" We may get the answer much sooner than expected, as the first iteration of this list: one naming the beneficiaries of millions of loans written off by the now insolvent Cyprus banks and therefore indirectly responsible for the "impairment" of the banks' depositors, was released yesterday by Greece's daily Ethnos newspaper. But what virtually assures substantial political fallout is that among the people listed is Cyprus' former president, George Vassiliou. (emphasis added)


It's quite conceivable that this is how it could begin. Insiders getting theirs while extolling the virtues of the unwashed metaphorically "eating cake". Ya know, the guillotine works just fine, even in this modern age. Saves on bullets too. [8D]

But of course, there are those who will say the unwashed are but paying their fair share.[:'(]





Nosathro -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/30/2013 12:20:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Cyprus?


A few days ago, when news hit that Cyprus has begun investigating who the people were who had managed to pull cash out of nation's insolvent banks, both during the capital control "blackout" period and previously, we asked "how much longer will the rule of law remain in Cyprus once full blown class warfare is unleashed, and the 99% are generously handed the list of the 1% who were "informed" enough to pull their money from the flaming sovereign equivalent of Bernie Madoff, while every other uninsured depositor is facing losses of up to 80%, and soon 100%?" We may get the answer much sooner than expected, as the first iteration of this list: one naming the beneficiaries of millions of loans written off by the now insolvent Cyprus banks and therefore indirectly responsible for the "impairment" of the banks' depositors, was released yesterday by Greece's daily Ethnos newspaper. But what virtually assures substantial political fallout is that among the people listed is Cyprus' former president, George Vassiliou. (emphasis added)


It's quite conceivable that this is how it could begin. Insiders getting theirs while extolling the virtues of the unwashed metaphorically "eating cake". Ya know, the guillotine works just fine, even in this modern age. Saves on bullets too. [8D]

But of course, there are those who will say the unwashed are but paying their fair share.[:'(]




The guillotine was abolished. Cyprus outlawed the death penalty in 1983.




Real0ne -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/30/2013 12:38:40 PM)

the sad part is this can only clean up a feew leaves while the roots remain to flourish another day




Politesub53 -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/30/2013 3:01:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

It's quite conceivable that this is how it could begin. Insiders getting theirs while extolling the virtues of the unwashed metaphorically "eating cake". Ya know, the guillotine works just fine, even in this modern age. Saves on bullets too. [8D]

But of course, there are those who will say the unwashed are but paying their fair share.[:'(]




Since you are in the "no bailouts" camp. Whats your alternative answer ?

Fuck....... I tried to keep a straight face while asking you that.




tweakabelle -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/30/2013 4:18:46 PM)

quote:

It's quite conceivable that this is how it could begin. Insiders getting theirs while extolling the virtues of the unwashed metaphorically "eating cake".


I'm not too clear about what you mean by 'begin'.

Insiders getting theirs while clients/taxpayers/ordinary people get screwed is one of the recurring features of the GFC. To such an extent that it is not an exaggeration to describe it as SOP for our financial institutions/banks/financial markets and the cowboys who run them.




DesideriScuri -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/30/2013 7:56:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Cyprus?
A few days ago, when news hit that Cyprus has begun investigating who the people were who had managed to pull cash out of nation's insolvent banks, both during the capital control "blackout" period and previously, we asked "how much longer will the rule of law remain in Cyprus once full blown class warfare is unleashed, and the 99% are generously handed the list of the 1% who were "informed" enough to pull their money from the flaming sovereign equivalent of Bernie Madoff, while every other uninsured depositor is facing losses of up to 80%, and soon 100%?" We may get the answer much sooner than expected, as the first iteration of this list: one naming the beneficiaries of millions of loans written off by the now insolvent Cyprus banks and therefore indirectly responsible for the "impairment" of the banks' depositors, was released yesterday by Greece's daily Ethnos newspaper. But what virtually assures substantial political fallout is that among the people listed is Cyprus' former president, George Vassiliou. (emphasis added)
It's quite conceivable that this is how it could begin. Insiders getting theirs while extolling the virtues of the unwashed metaphorically "eating cake". Ya know, the guillotine works just fine, even in this modern age. Saves on bullets too. [8D]
But of course, there are those who will say the unwashed are but paying their fair share.[:'(]


A financial show host on the local AM radio said he had read (I haven't looked into it at all, so if it's wrong, it's wrong) that while there was a Bank Holiday in Cyprus, the two biggest banks had branches that were open since they weren't located within Cyprus. Thus, the Russians that had billions of Euros in those banks could get their money out while they average Cypriot could not.

If that is the case, that whole thing was botched.




Yachtie -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 10:57:43 AM)

HO HO HO -


There is no other alternative but to free Cyprus from the bonds of the troika and the memorandum, House of Representatives President Yiannakis Omirou has said.

Omirou talked about the troika demands, which according to him will multiply and will turn Cyprus to a colony of the worst possible type and warned “I would like to send a message to the Cyprus people that there is no other way, there is no alternative apart from freeing (the country) from the troika’s and the memorandum’s bonds”.

He noted that certainly, “this road will demand sacrifices”, adding that “by leaving the troika and the EMS behind us, we will ensure our national independence, our national sovereignty, our moral integrity and our economic independence”.



The weather is better in Cyprus than Iceland too.[8D]


edit: also of note -

Over the weekend, Australia appears to have come to the same conclusion, with the Australian reporting that the land down under is set to say goodbye to the world's "reserve currency" in its trade dealings with the world's biggest marginal economic power, China, and will enable the direct convertibility of the Australian dollar into Chinese yuan, without US Dollar intermediation, in the process "slashing costs for thousands of business" and also confirming speculation that China is fully intent on, little by little, chipping away at the dollar's reserve currency status until one day it no longer is.


The Almighty Dollar shall be the Almighty Dollar, till it ain't.





YN -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 2:44:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Cyprus?
A few days ago, when news hit that Cyprus has begun investigating who the people were who had managed to pull cash out of nation's insolvent banks, both during the capital control "blackout" period and previously, we asked "how much longer will the rule of law remain in Cyprus once full blown class warfare is unleashed, and the 99% are generously handed the list of the 1% who were "informed" enough to pull their money from the flaming sovereign equivalent of Bernie Madoff, while every other uninsured depositor is facing losses of up to 80%, and soon 100%?" We may get the answer much sooner than expected, as the first iteration of this list: one naming the beneficiaries of millions of loans written off by the now insolvent Cyprus banks and therefore indirectly responsible for the "impairment" of the banks' depositors, was released yesterday by Greece's daily Ethnos newspaper. But what virtually assures substantial political fallout is that among the people listed is Cyprus' former president, George Vassiliou. (emphasis added)
It's quite conceivable that this is how it could begin. Insiders getting theirs while extolling the virtues of the unwashed metaphorically "eating cake". Ya know, the guillotine works just fine, even in this modern age. Saves on bullets too. [8D]
But of course, there are those who will say the unwashed are but paying their fair share.[:'(]


A financial show host on the local AM radio said he had read (I haven't looked into it at all, so if it's wrong, it's wrong) that while there was a Bank Holiday in Cyprus, the two biggest banks had branches that were open since they weren't located within Cyprus. Thus, the Russians that had billions of Euros in those banks could get their money out while they average Cypriot could not.

If that is the case, that whole thing was botched.




It matters little. If you have 10 million USD deposited, the bank is open around the clock on all days of the week. The Russian "businessmen" all have connections with (or are networked with those who do) past and present members of Russian intelligence who certainly knew of this ahead of time.




YN -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 2:52:26 PM)

There certainly will be social problems due to the economic ones -

quote:

Asked about Saturday's announcement, University of Cyprus political scientist Antonis Ellinas predicted that unemployment, currently at 15 percent, will "probably go through the roof" over the next few years.

"It means that (people) ... have to accept a major haircut to their way of life and their standard of living. The social impact is yet to be realized, but they will be enormous in terms of social unrest and radical social phenomenon," Ellinas said.

There's also concern that large depositors — including many wealthy Russians — will take their money and run once capital restrictions that Cypriot authorities have imposed on bank transactions to prevent such a possibility are lifted in about a month.


And many think the source of their troubles are external, a sample -

quote:

Sofronis Clerides, an economics professor at the University of Cyprus, said: "Most of the damage will be done to businesses which had their money in the bank" to pay suppliers and employees. "There's quite a difference between a 30 percent loss and a 60 percent loss." With businesses shrinking, Cyprus could be dragged down into an even deeper recession, he said.

Clerides accused some of the 17 European countries that use the euro of wanting to see the end of Cyprus as an international financial services center and to send the message that European taxpayers will no longer shoulder the burden of bailing out problem banks.


Bank of Cyprus big savers to lose up to 60 percent

The biggest losers will be the Cypriots, both the local businesses, and the people in general.





YN -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 3:01:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

The guillotine was abolished. Cyprus outlawed the death penalty in 1983.


The "legality" of killing those who are considered leading enemies of the people are rarely of any concern during a revolution.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 3:07:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Cyprus?


A few days ago, when news hit that Cyprus has begun investigating who the people were who had managed to pull cash out of nation's insolvent banks, both during the capital control "blackout" period and previously, we asked "how much longer will the rule of law remain in Cyprus once full blown class warfare is unleashed, and the 99% are generously handed the list of the 1% who were "informed" enough to pull their money from the flaming sovereign equivalent of Bernie Madoff, while every other uninsured depositor is facing losses of up to 80%, and soon 100%?" We may get the answer much sooner than expected, as the first iteration of this list: one naming the beneficiaries of millions of loans written off by the now insolvent Cyprus banks and therefore indirectly responsible for the "impairment" of the banks' depositors, was released yesterday by Greece's daily Ethnos newspaper. But what virtually assures substantial political fallout is that among the people listed is Cyprus' former president, George Vassiliou. (emphasis added)


It's quite conceivable that this is how it could begin. Insiders getting theirs while extolling the virtues of the unwashed metaphorically "eating cake". Ya know, the guillotine works just fine, even in this modern age. Saves on bullets too. [8D]

But of course, there are those who will say the unwashed are but paying their fair share.[:'(]




The guillotine was abolished. Cyprus outlawed the death penalty in 1983.



And that will purportedly stop rioting in the streets?




Yachtie -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 3:33:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: YN


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

The guillotine was abolished. Cyprus outlawed the death penalty in 1983.


The "legality" of killing those who are considered leading enemies of the people are rarely of any concern during a revolution.



I figured it was so obvious. Given that response, it's a wonder murder happens seeing as its illegal. [;)]




DarkSteven -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 3:37:36 PM)

I have no clue what's going on over there. Their funds got scalped, and then the banks were temporarily shut down. Now the withdrawals are capped. If that happened over here, there would be riots and recalls of the politicians that signed off on those actions. But the Cypriots seem to be taking it calmly - I can't figure out their mindset.




YN -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 4:02:23 PM)

In living memory, Cyprus has revolted against English colonial rule; had a civil war on the island resulting in UN intervention; suffered a 1974 military coup engineered by the Athens military junta; and a counter invasion to rectify matters by Turkey.

All these events across several generations caused the ordinary people much hardships and suffering, thusthe thought of taking up weapons yet again without some thought and necessity is likely not an appealing one.




Politesub53 -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 4:34:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

I figured it was so obvious. Given that response, it's a wonder murder happens seeing as its illegal. [;)]


I`m still waiting for your alternative plan for the banking system, noticable so far by its absence.




Yachtie -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 4:38:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

I figured it was so obvious. Given that response, it's a wonder murder happens seeing as its illegal. [;)]


I`m still waiting for your alternative plan for the banking system, noticable so far by its absence.




I have some obligation in that respect? To provide some alternative plan?

Really?[8|]




Politesub53 -> RE: The Terror that is... (3/31/2013 4:51:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

I have some obligation in that respect? To provide some alternative plan?

Really?[8|]


No obligation at all boss. Your pissing and moaning whilst offering no alternative interests me though. As do your double standards regards bailouts.

EITHER the banks ar bailed out OR, those with savings and investments in said banks carry the can.

Thats mathematics 101 yet you are oppossed to both ideas, all the time offering no solution.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The Terror that is... (4/1/2013 5:24:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

I figured it was so obvious. Given that response, it's a wonder murder happens seeing as its illegal. [;)]


I`m still waiting for your alternative plan for the banking system, noticable so far by its absence.




I have some obligation in that respect? To provide some alternative plan?

Really?[8|]


Never forget Yachtie, you have to posts links (and a link proves that it happened....not common sense or logic....or even, god forbid, actual study), otherwise it didn't happen (because no one else but a poster is actually capable of doing their own homework or follow through) and if you ever point something out, or use personal experience (as in having been there/done that) ever, you have to prove with 47 experts (and links again...don't forget the links), every possible point to people who (haven't been there/done that and so, it's not real to them, even though it may be fact indeed) don't know how to read, don't understand semantics or, can't grasp that your first point ended after the period and when they see a new capital letter, that may (or may not) be the beginning of the second or a new point.

Oh, one other thing, it must be written in a way that they understand....not necessarily what you meant or how you would have written had you been speaking to someone who has a grasp on the subject, even if what you wrote is clear to a 9 year old who has been living under a bush for his or her entire life with no access to any intellectual tools of any kind.

So, simply, if what you write is misinterpreted, those are the facts, not in fact, what you wrote.

See?




Lucylastic -> RE: The Terror that is... (4/1/2013 5:33:46 AM)

dont forget acknowledging when you*generic* are wrong and have bollocksed up again....
oh, sorry ... yeah not so mmuch




Politesub53 -> RE: The Terror that is... (4/1/2013 10:55:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Never forget Yachtie, you have to posts links (and a link proves that it happened....not common sense or logic....or even, god forbid, actual study), otherwise it didn't happen (because no one else but a poster is actually capable of doing their own homework or follow through) and if you ever point something out, or use personal experience (as in having been there/done that) ever, you have to prove with 47 experts (and links again...don't forget the links), every possible point to people who (haven't been there/done that and so, it's not real to them, even though it may be fact indeed) don't know how to read, don't understand semantics or, can't grasp that your first point ended after the period and when they see a new capital letter, that may (or may not) be the beginning of the second or a new point.

Oh, one other thing, it must be written in a way that they understand....not necessarily what you meant or how you would have written had you been speaking to someone who has a grasp on the subject, even if what you wrote is clear to a 9 year old who has been living under a bush for his or her entire life with no access to any intellectual tools of any kind.

So, simply, if what you write is misinterpreted, those are the facts, not in fact, what you wrote.

See?


More off topic drivel from you, nothing new there then.





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