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Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 5:41:47 AM   
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I did not want to hijack another thread but the comment was made about kinky sex being a part of a D/s relationship. I know that for many some sort of kinky sex is a huge part of this type of lifestyle, but it doesn't always have to be that way. I was first introduced to this lifestyle when I was 23, I will be 46 in a few weeks, and for me it was more the control than the kinky sex. Yes, I engaged in kinky sex for the majority of my journey, however, kinky sex always left me feeling rather embarrassed and sometimes, while engaging in it, I would struggle with the thought, "Why am I doing this?" Honestly, the thought was more exciting than the actual act simply because my thoughts would gravitate towards control than the actual sex act. Vanilla sex was usually disappointing as well because I tended to meet men who did not have a dominant type personality in or out of the bedroom. I'd get bored really quickly.

For a long time, I flip flopped. I wasn't exactly sure what I wanted, but during that time I did a great deal of soul searching. I still played on occasion, met people...flipped between kink and vanilla. I found vanilla dates somehow lacking that dominant personality and professed 'Dom's' more focused on the sexual aspect than in me as a person. Even though the 'Dom's' had the personality I craved I soon found myself being pissed off at them simply because every command had something to do with sex.

Fast forward to my current relationship; he was the friend of a friend. So we knew each other several months before we began dating. He has a very strong dominant personality and honestly he controls the household and me. It did not happen over night it was a slow progress. It really is rather like a 1950's household in many ways, except I do work full time and we share chores. Most nights I come home to dinner being ready and a clean house, however I will prepare a meal and clean the house on his work days or he is otherwise occupied and doesn't do these chores. He controls the money and most of the time gets groceries, however if I do go get groceries, I have a set amount to spend. If I spend money I must give an accounting for what I have spent. I never however ask what he spends money on. I never argue, speak never yell, and if I want something or want to do something, it's a given that I don't do it without his consent.

There is no punishment---I get scolded, but not punished. And there is NO kinky sex. It's very vanilla, missionary most of the time. I sort of worried in the beginning that I would get bored by sex really quickly but that has not happened. As a matter of fact sex began slowly, and has increased as time has gone on. My box of toys I have collected over the years collects dust. His very vanilla sexual ways turns me on way more than ANY kinky sex ever has.

Although I do not consider us a 'traditional' D/s couple, as I do not identify as a submissive or a slave, more so a submissive personality, with ties to the lifestyle and he a dominant personality with no ties to this lifestyle (although he is aware of my background and we do discuss the forums). I still consider us a D/s couple with a power exchange. I do not call him Master, but do, "Yes, Sir." (LOL he says it makes him feel old but knows it's my way of being respectful)


I know that I am pretty rare, but because I engaged in kinky sex for such a long time and did not enjoy it, I was wondering if there are other's like me. If you engage in kinky sex do you do so because it's expected? Or if you have a D/s relationship where kinky sex does not exist, please share. I can't be the only one.
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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 9:50:09 AM   
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quote:

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Or if you have a D/s relationship where kinky sex does not exist, please share. I can't be the only one.

You're not.


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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 10:02:27 AM   
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LOL Jeff I had a feeling you MIGHT respond. It's nice not to be standing totally solo.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 10:10:35 AM   
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D/s is D/s. BDSM is BDSM. They're not automatically inclusive of each other.

You can engage in D/s and never engage in BDSM. You can engage in BDSM and never engage in D/s.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 10:31:12 AM   
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D/s is D/s. BDSM is BDSM. They're not automatically inclusive of each other.

You can engage in D/s and never engage in BDSM. You can engage in BDSM and never engage in D/s.

Yes I am aware of the difference and have engaged in both. When it comes to BDSM (Bondage/Discipline Sadism and Masochism just how I define it as others define it differently although I think we are on the same page) one can engage with no sexual gratification at all as I have indulged in it with no sex at all.

It's difficult to explain what I mean by kinky sex because what I define as kinky other's will consider just vanilla. But in a nutshell, other than vaginal sex and head---that's as far as it goes, no toys...no props---for most really rather boring....but hot in it's own vanilla way.


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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 10:35:28 AM   
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I think you are one of the few that actually gets it.

For those truly Dominant or submissive, sex is the icing on the cake. However, the sex plays out is something the two of you need to work out. Plus, you do need to keep the bedroom "spiced" up from time to time. But, the importance is the two of you being into each other.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 11:49:45 AM   
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It is up to an individual on how they define kinky sex.

Some like the feather, some like the whole chicken.

I think you can be in a D/s relationship without kinky sex and with it.

I happen to love kinky sex, so what do I know?

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 1:17:53 PM   
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So if I got this right, you engaged in kinky sex for 23 years in exchange for love in a D/s style relationship? Now you want to know if others trade kinky sex for love. I am pretty sure you're not the only and that if you simplified the question to "sex for love", you are in a crowded category.



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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 1:18:07 PM   
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There are D/s relationships between loving asexual partners. Sex doesnt have to be part of it. Whatever you want to make of it you can. Aint life grand?

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 1:20:47 PM   
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quote:

Or if you have a D/s relationship where kinky sex does not exist, please share.


Define "kinky sex".

I don't consider our sex particularly kinky, especially in this day and age, but at one time it might have been considered so.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 1:33:42 PM   
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Or if you have a D/s relationship where kinky sex does not exist, please share. I can't be the only one.

2 words.

Fifties household.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 1:36:46 PM   
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2 words.

Fifties household.


That's what came to my mind too.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 1:53:05 PM   
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I know a couple down the road from me. He's asexual, she's a lesbian. They LOVE their torture though. No sex. All good.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 2:02:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
2 words. Fifties household.

Or, you could simply skip the labels entirely. I've always figured there are more than a few couples like Carol and I used to be. Before we ran into BDSM we didn't apply any label to our marriage. We would not have called it a "50's household" or a "taken in hand style marriage". Even now the labels are only really useful when talking to kinksters.

Honestly it's a uniquely kinky conceit to think that "D/s" somehow implies sex.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 2:05:48 PM   
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As far as I'm concerned, kinky sex is something
separate to D/s.
I've been in plenty of vanilla relationships that
involved kinky sex... Vanilla doesn't equal boring
sex, just like D/s doesn't equal kinky sex.

however, D/s does in my opinion involve things
like authority, discipline, structure, boundaries
and responsibilities.
For 24/7, the above activities require maturity,
motivation and commitment... And... Above all
else sound judgement, sound judgement
is something that I have come to realise doesn't
go hand in hand with being horney and I make a
point of trying to make decisions or take actions
when I'm of a more sound state of mind...

But of course heavily D/s related sex features
as well, but so does heavily D/s related cooking
or cleaning or shopping for that matter...

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 2:40:24 PM   
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Thanks for posting your thoughts!
I have been interested in and as possible involved in BDSM, D/s, and many forms of sexual expression for a very long time, considering that my adult experiences began in the mid '60's.
We shall not go back further than that here.
I have seen that a LOT of people of any gender or sexual orientation will try to be what someone they find attractive is seeking, whether or not that role or act is something they want themselves.
Sometimes this works. Sometimes opening our minds (or bodies) to new things can be great! Sometimes it can be very bad indeed.
One thing available to the BDSM and kink community which likely would help all relationships is the possibility of sitting down with a partner or potential partner and negotiating what is and is not acceptable to do to or with each other or others. We do not all do this, but we could, and we'd probably have better connections if we did.
Often there is confusion about what labels mean, what labels require, what the same word means to different people on in different situations. I believe that honestly opening up about things like this can be very helpful in any relationship.
As long as I can remember there has been a debate about what is BDSM, what is sexuality, what is abuse. I think there always will be confusion about these things. Some say BDSM is sexual, some deny it. Some classify denial or celibacy as forms of sexuality. All that matters to me is that my partner(s) and I all know and understand each other's views.
If I am the slave and my master or mistress chooses to tie me up helpless and to perform oral sex upon me as long as they like, the label does not matter, both of us are loving it. It does not matter if you classify this as D/s, BDSM or sex to us, because we both love it. The same is true if I am the dom and I bind my female or male or (?) partner helpless and I then choose to perform oral sex upon them as long as I wish.
An observer may make an incorrect guess about who is in charge if they see the dominant giving head to the sub, or the sub being commanded to paddle or flog the dom, but that will not be our problem, the observer can ask us later if watching us confused them.
The fact that a Gay man may willingly have some form of sex with a female BDSM partner he wishes to please does not change the orientation of either. The fact that some much cherished Lesbian friends have chosen to enjoy some very kinky and some very sexy joyful play with me does not change our orientations either.
If power exchange is the key to your happiness, either giving up or getting power, then that can be very fulfilling for you, whatever mutually consented acts get you there.
It is also very possible for partners to get very different physical and emotional feedback from play they are doing with each other, and if both are getting something they wish it can be great. One example I've been in was a Domme who LOVED humiliating men getting off very much by "making" me perform what she saw as a degrading act. Since the act was something I LOVE to do, I got off on being forced to do something I love, while she got off on my surrender into "being forced" into this service she thinks of as humiliating and degrading. It was a "Win-Win" for everyone!
Any sex that works for all involved can be good, and can be vanilla or kinky depending upon their definition.
For you, the same acts would depend upon your definition.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 4:56:42 PM   
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However, I do think most of us get started through sex. You don't look at a hot guy across the room and think "hmm, bet it would be awesome to have him write me out a chore list". Instead we think "man, if he only knew his way with a bag of rope".

Sex is a primal drive hard wired into us. For those of us that are kinky, of course we're going to first think of this. And control later.




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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 5:48:57 PM   
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However, I do think most of us get started through sex. You don't look at a hot guy across the room and think "hmm, bet it would be awesome to have him write me out a chore list". Instead we think "man, if he only knew his way with a bag of rope".


i love that you said this because it is so very very true.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 6:32:36 PM   
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However, I do think most of us get started through sex. You don't look at a hot guy across the room and think "hmm, bet it would be awesome to have him write me out a chore list". Instead we think "man, if he only knew his way with a bag of rope".

Sex is a primal drive hard wired into us. For those of us that are kinky, of course we're going to first think of this. And control later.

Unless control IS our primary sexual kink.

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RE: Kinky sex really? - 3/31/2013 6:43:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
2 words. Fifties household.

Or, you could simply skip the labels entirely. I've always figured there are more than a few couples like Carol and I used to be. Before we ran into BDSM we didn't apply any label to our marriage. We would not have called it a "50's household" or a "taken in hand style marriage". Even now the labels are only really useful when talking to kinksters.

Honestly it's a uniquely kinky conceit to think that "D/s" somehow implies sex.

You don't need to label it as long as you enjoy it.

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