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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

you forgot:

Salvia Divinorum, Tannerite (An Explosive Compound), Improvised Weaponry, The Ragnar Benson Collection, Thermite

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

you forgot:

Salvia Divinorum, Tannerite (An Explosive Compound), Improvised Weaponry, The Ragnar Benson Collection, Thermite

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There has been a lot of talk about how guns prevent crime especially in the home, they will scare off the criminals and will make the gun owners safe. Some here have sighted studies that support this. At the risk for being accused of sensationalizing, using a tragic incident to make my point etc, I would like to counter these claim by a recent incident, I do admit some of has not been confirmed, if anyone knows otherwise please let me know. Texas authorities are currently investigating the death of Kaufman District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife Cynthia, both found shot to death in their home. One of McLelland Assistant District Attorney Mark Hasse was killed in January and on that McLelland started to carry a firearm everywhere he went. I have read where McLelland and his wife were gun enthusiasts who had some 16 rifles, handguns and shotguns in their home. McLelland is a 23 year Army veteran, who saw combat duty in the Middle East. In light of this neither McLelland nor Cynthia manage to fire a single round at the assailant(s). It is believed that McLelland and Hasse were killed in retaliation by the Aryan Brotherhood, a very violent white supremacist group with origins in prisons. McLelland had been active in prosecutions of members of the group in recent times. Texas has some of the most pro gun laws of any state, in some place it is almost required a person to carry a gun in public, still feel safe?

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

It would have been about the same as Sandy Hook with a claw hammer or Sandy Hook with a steak knife. If this Lanza kid had wrapped one end of a lawnmower blade in leather or attached a circular saw blade to a stick he still could have still killed 20 unarmed women and children and done a pretty gruesome job of it... Any time you have an armed lunatic intent on killing as many unarmed people as possible the results are actually quite predictable, no matter how sophisticated the weapon is.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

It would have been about the same as Sandy Hook with a claw hammer or Sandy Hook with a steak knife. If this Lanza kid had wrapped one end of a lawnmower blade in leather or attached a circular saw blade to a stick he still could have still killed 20 unarmed women and children and done a pretty gruesome job of it... Any time you have an armed lunatic intent on killing as many unarmed people as possible the results are actually quite predictable, no matter how sophisticated the weapon is.

-SD-

Quite.
That's why you have all of these spree killers running up massive body counts with steak knives and lead pipes in your country, isn't it? Nobody ever uses a firearm for a spree killing.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

When these are legal.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2013/03/28/10-Weapons-You-Wont-Believe-Are-Legal.aspx?index=1

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

It would have been about the same as Sandy Hook with a claw hammer or Sandy Hook with a steak knife. If this Lanza kid had wrapped one end of a lawnmower blade in leather or attached a circular saw blade to a stick he still could have still killed 20 unarmed women and children and done a pretty gruesome job of it... Any time you have an armed lunatic intent on killing as many unarmed people as possible the results are actually quite predictable, no matter how sophisticated the weapon is.

-SD-

Quite.
That's why you have all of these spree killers running up massive body counts with steak knives and lead pipes in your country, isn't it? Nobody ever uses a firearm for a spree killing.

Yeah, yanno, there havent been any reports lately of circular saw murders ..... but imagination is a wonderful thing.

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Sources told CBS Dallas station KTVT the DA was shot multiple times with what is believed to be an assault rifle, while Cynthia McLelland was only shot once. Sources also say that there were no signs of forced entry.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There has been a lot of talk about how guns prevent crime especially in the home, they will scare off the criminals and will make the gun owners safe. Some here have sighted studies that support this. At the risk for being accused of sensationalizing, using a tragic incident to make my point etc, I would like to counter these claim by a recent incident, I do admit some of has not been confirmed, if anyone knows otherwise please let me know. Texas authorities are currently investigating the death of Kaufman District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife Cynthia, both found shot to death in their home. One of McLelland Assistant District Attorney Mark Hasse was killed in January and on that McLelland started to carry a firearm everywhere he went. Hasse himself also carried a gun but was killed in a parking lot in board day light. I have read where McLelland and his wife were gun enthusiasts who had some 16 rifles, handguns and shotguns in their home. McLelland is a 23 year Army veteran, who saw combat duty in the Middle East. In light of this neither McLelland nor Cynthia manage to fire a single round at the assailant(s). It is believed that McLelland and Hasse were killed in retaliation by the Aryan Brotherhood, a very violent white supremacist group with origins in prisons. McLelland had been active in prosecutions of members of the group in recent times. Texas has some of the most pro gun laws of any state, in some place it is almost required a person to carry a gun in public, still feel safe?

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McLelland said he carried a gun everywhere he went, even to walk his dog around town, a bedroom community for the Dallas area. He figured assassins were more likely to try to attack him outside. He said he had warned all his employees to be constantly on the alert.

"The people in my line of work are going to have to get better at it," he said of dealing with the danger, "because they're going to need it more in the future."

The number of attacks on prosecutors, judges and senior law enforcement officers in the U.S. has spiked in the past three years, according to Glenn McGovern, an investigator with the Santa Clara County, Calif., district attorney's office who tracks such cases.

For about a month after Hasse's slaying, sheriff's deputies were parked in the district attorney's driveway, said Sam Rosander, a McLelland neighbor.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

When these are legal.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2013/03/28/10-Weapons-You-Wont-Believe-Are-Legal.aspx?index=1

"Assaul weapons" never heard of those. You will read that many of these weapons are baned in California. I happen to own a wick musket but that did not make the list. One of my Renaissance Groups has a black powder cannon but the picture in the article is not a black powder cannon. I also know a few American Civil War groups that have black powder cannons. I also own a cross bow and swords, none are Katanas. I recall back in the 70's some guy owned a pair of nunchucks, he actually got in a fight and a change to use them. The other guy never was able to throw a punch, the guy with nunchucks knocked himself out trying to impress him with how well he used them. I also see those ninja shotting stars (shuriken) didn't make the list.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Since I live in Texas, a few points from the recent news reports.

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Sources told CBS Dallas station KTVT the DA was shot multiple times with what is believed to be an assault rifle, while Cynthia McLelland was only shot once. Sources also say that there were no signs of forced entry.

There is a reason I highlighted the two points.

1) The autopsy has not been performed as of yet, so the caliber of weapon is not known.

2) Please note the "no forced entry" this man was known to lock his doors, most residents in and near the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex do so, so if it was a member of the Aryan Brotherhood, how did they gain entry into the house? Did they have their own key?

I have found through my years, that more than half the time, "sources" of the news media turn out to be a nice word for saying "we have heard rumors from Joe Dipshit and we want them to sound credible."

It is interesting to note that the victims had five children.

There are other details that are still sketchy, but my major concern is the lack of forced entry.

Just a few things to think about.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

When these are legal.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2013/03/28/10-Weapons-You-Wont-Believe-Are-Legal.aspx?index=1

"Assaul weapons" never heard of those. You will read that many of these weapons are baned in California. I happen to own a wick musket but that did not make the list. One of my Renaissance Groups has a black powder cannon but the picture in the article is not a black powder cannon. I also know a few American Civil War groups that have black powder cannons. I also own a cross bow and swords, none are Katanas. I recall back in the 70's some guy owned a pair of nunchucks, he actually got in a fight and a change to use them. The other guy never was able to throw a punch, the guy with nunchucks knocked himself out trying to impress him with how well he used them. I also see those ninja shotting stars (shuriken) didn't make the list.

Shuriken weren't typically used as a deadly weapon. Unfortunately, some people watch too many bad kung fu flicks.
Shuriken were used to ward off and annoy assailants. It would take one hell of a lucky shot to kill with one.
Do you not see the hypocrisy of a person who carries weapons to dress up parties that glorify an untra violent lifestyle who is anti weapon?

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There has been a lot of talk about how guns prevent crime especially in the home, they will scare off the criminals and will make the gun owners safe. Some here have sighted studies that support this. At the risk for being accused of sensationalizing, using a tragic incident to make my point etc, I would like to counter these claim by a recent incident, I do admit some of has not been confirmed, if anyone knows otherwise please let me know. Texas authorities are currently investigating the death of Kaufman District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife Cynthia, both found shot to death in their home. One of McLelland Assistant District Attorney Mark Hasse was killed in January and on that McLelland started to carry a firearm everywhere he went. Hasse himself also carried a gun but was killed in a parking lot in board day light. I have read where McLelland and his wife were gun enthusiasts who had some 16 rifles, handguns and shotguns in their home. McLelland is a 23 year Army veteran, who saw combat duty in the Middle East. In light of this neither McLelland nor Cynthia manage to fire a single round at the assailant(s). It is believed that McLelland and Hasse were killed in retaliation by the Aryan Brotherhood, a very violent white supremacist group with origins in prisons. McLelland had been active in prosecutions of members of the group in recent times. Texas has some of the most pro gun laws of any state, in some place it is almost required a person to carry a gun in public, still feel safe?

I wanted to find out more information about this case, and found several articles like this one.

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McLelland said he carried a gun everywhere he went, even to walk his dog around town, a bedroom community for the Dallas area. He figured assassins were more likely to try to attack him outside. He said he had warned all his employees to be constantly on the alert.

"The people in my line of work are going to have to get better at it," he said of dealing with the danger, "because they're going to need it more in the future."

The number of attacks on prosecutors, judges and senior law enforcement officers in the U.S. has spiked in the past three years, according to Glenn McGovern, an investigator with the Santa Clara County, Calif., district attorney's office who tracks such cases.

For about a month after Hasse's slaying, sheriff's deputies were parked in the district attorney's driveway, said Sam Rosander, a McLelland neighbor.

The article didn't provide much information as to how the assailant got into the house, except that there were no signs of forced entry. The district attorney and his wife were apparently getting ready for bed with their dogs locked in a kennel when they were killed.

I suppose if someone is hellbent on killing someone else, there may not be any way to truly prevent it, even if the person is armed and has police protection. Heads of state and other powerful people have been assassinated, so I don't think anyone is ever truly safe, no matter how well-protected they seem to be.

I don't know that I feel personally threatened by random shootings. I suppose it's always a risk, but I don't think I'd feel any more or less safe no matter if the government bans or legalizes assault weapons.

I recently read about someone who wants to help people in poor, high-crime neighborhoods by providing them with weapons and training. The people in those neighborhoods can't afford to buy firearms or get training in how to use them, so someone is setting up a fund to provide the money to do that. I'm not sure how this is going to turn out, but it's apparently starting in some neighborhood in Houston already.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

When these are legal.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2013/03/28/10-Weapons-You-Wont-Believe-Are-Legal.aspx?index=1

"Assaul weapons" never heard of those. You will read that many of these weapons are baned in California. I happen to own a wick musket but that did not make the list. One of my Renaissance Groups has a black powder cannon but the picture in the article is not a black powder cannon. I also know a few American Civil War groups that have black powder cannons. I also own a cross bow and swords, none are Katanas. I recall back in the 70's some guy owned a pair of nunchucks, he actually got in a fight and a change to use them. The other guy never was able to throw a punch, the guy with nunchucks knocked himself out trying to impress him with how well he used them. I also see those ninja shotting stars (shuriken) didn't make the list.

Shuriken weren't typically used as a deadly weapon. Unfortunately, some people watch too many bad kung fu flicks.
Shuriken were used to ward off and annoy assailants. It would take one hell of a lucky shot to kill with one.
Do you not see the hypocrisy of a person who carries weapons to dress up parties that glorify an untra violent lifestyle who is anti weapon?

Are you inplying US Civil War Re-enactors are a untra(?) violent lifestyle? Which side? North or South?