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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/2/2013 10:59:02 PM   
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or at least pleasuring him.


I watched it 'till the end (someone has to do all the work!) and it 'does' get sadistic at the very end.

BTW, here's a NYT review of "Punish Me" (aka Verfolgt):
- http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/358720/Punish-Me/overview

And, for those who want to see the movie in its entirety, here's a magnet link for your torrent client:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4036548/

Note: The torrent has only 6 seeders, so I'm not sure if it's viable though as I didn't test it further.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 5:20:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pyramus


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Here's a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_XJsMwx2s


Darn. I watched that clip, and, well, I'm not into the asphyxiation aspect, but the damn thing stopped just when it started to get good!

Googling for "femdom" & "punish me", I ended up with these - which - I must say, are more to "MY" liking as to what "I'd" want "MY" femdom to be: :)

1. This is truly sadistic Femdom!
http://xhamster.com/movies/1565405/incredible_femdom_handjob_double_cum.html
2. This is probably classic Femdom wank fodder:
http://xhamster.com/movies/136523/femdom.html
3. And, most instructive of all, here's a 30-minute so-called "Femdom Compilation" which shows the porn industry's idea of Femdomming:
http://www.xvideos.com/video1499650/femdom_compilation_handjob_master

No...No...NOOOO! *SLAP*
We're trying to get AWAY from porn industry's inaccurate depictions. Please try to stay focused.
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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 5:27:04 AM   
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quote:

Here's a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_XJsMwx2s

Akasha


Thing is, she's not very attractive, damnit. A femdom friend pointed me to this film a while ago, inviting me to believe that she looks like Helen Mirren. No.



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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 6:02:31 AM   
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WHAT?????     Porn doesn't protray real life!!!!



OMG, you've so busted my bubble.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 6:03:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cilicia
may I ask if others have had the same premonition - that most femdom porn videos don't accurately portray what femdom is all (really) about?


Well let me ask you a question. Do any of the women in the porn videos actually look dominant? Are they in charge and getting their needs met? Or do they appear to be there merely to create the most erotic possible scenario for the males in the video?

I think too many potential male subs fail before they even get started because they get their expectations from porn. Nothing could be worse than that. mimicking femdom porn will cause you to be an abysmal failure as a sub/slave.

The first problem is that potential male subs come into the lifestyle with expectations that the Domme is going to carry a whip, and wear a leather corset, fishnet stockings, and 9-inch heels all day long. That's just not realistic. What do vanilla women wear most of the time? That's what you should expect to see a dominant woman wearing most of the time. after all, they're.......women.

Rather than thinking of dominant women as the sex goddesses in the porn videos, try thinking of them like any other woman in your life, only more assertive and demanding. So if the vanilla women that you've dated didn't want you to lick their pussy 24 hours a day, what makes you think that a dominant woman will want that? If the vanilla women that you've dated didn't want you to prance around in a french maid outfit, what makes you think a dominant woman will want that? And if the vanilla women that you've dated didn't spend their entire day teasing your cock and keeping you in a state of perpetual arousal, then what makes you think a dominant woman will do so?

Now take a moment to think about the things that your ex-wife or ex-girlfriend DID ask you to do on a regular basis. It was probably things like cut the grass, fix the leaky faucet, help with the household chores, paint the dining room, share in the child rearing duties, be a more attentive lover, and be a better listener. Well, those are the types of things that a dominant woman is probably going to ask of you. However, while your ex-wife may have asked in a passive way, and then complained when you didn't do the requested tasks, a dominant woman will likely be more assertive in her demands, and may administer punishments if you don't obey her commands.

The porn videos are focused on what makes you horny. In real life, the focus should be on what makes her happy. And unfortunately, the things that make you horny, and the things that make her happy, are seldom the same. So try focusing more on the latter, and less on the former.

It's not as sexy as porn, but if you enter the D/s relationship with this type of expectation, rather than expecting real life to be like porn, you're far more likely to meet with success. And you're also much more likely to get her to agree to do the things that make you horny.

I hope that helps.
-Roch

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 7:23:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cilicia
may I ask if others have had the same premonition - that most femdom porn videos don't accurately portray what femdom is all (really) about?


Well let me ask you a question. Do any of the women in the porn videos actually look dominant? Are they in charge and getting their needs met? Or do they appear to be there merely to create the most erotic possible scenario for the males in the video?

I think too many potential male subs fail before they even get started because they get their expectations from porn. Nothing could be worse than that. mimicking femdom porn will cause you to be an abysmal failure as a sub/slave.

The first problem is that potential male subs come into the lifestyle with expectations that the Domme is going to carry a whip, and wear a leather corset, fishnet stockings, and 9-inch heels all day long. That's just not realistic. What do vanilla women wear most of the time? That's what you should expect to see a dominant woman wearing most of the time. after all, they're.......women.

Rather than thinking of dominant women as the sex goddesses in the porn videos, try thinking of them like any other woman in your life, only more assertive and demanding. So if the vanilla women that you've dated didn't want you to lick their pussy 24 hours a day, what makes you think that a dominant woman will want that? If the vanilla women that you've dated didn't want you to prance around in a french maid outfit, what makes you think a dominant woman will want that? And if the vanilla women that you've dated didn't spend their entire day teasing your cock and keeping you in a state of perpetual arousal, then what makes you think a dominant woman will do so?

Now take a moment to think about the things that your ex-wife or ex-girlfriend DID ask you to do on a regular basis. It was probably things like cut the grass, fix the leaky faucet, help with the household chores, paint the dining room, share in the child rearing duties, be a more attentive lover, and be a better listener. Well, those are the types of things that a dominant woman is probably going to ask of you. However, while your ex-wife may have asked in a passive way, and then complained when you didn't do the requested tasks, a dominant woman will likely be more assertive in her demands, and may administer punishments if you don't obey her commands.

The porn videos are focused on what makes you horny. In real life, the focus should be on what makes her happy. And unfortunately, the things that make you horny, and the things that make her happy, are seldom the same. So try focusing more on the latter, and less on the former.

It's not as sexy as porn, but if you enter the D/s relationship with this type of expectation, rather than expecting real life to be like porn, you're far more likely to meet with success. And you're also much more likely to get her to agree to do the things that make you horny.

I hope that helps.
-Roch


Rochsub, I want to print what you said out and give it to a friend of mine. He's not in the scene, but he fits the description of most every one of those "That Guy" postings on here. He's already screwed up one marriage because of "unreasonable expectations" already, and whenever I run into him I get the sob story about how those "bitches" just don't understand him.

He's a regular on some of the other dating sites and CL, and he's been banned from a couple bars already because he's a world-class jerk around women. And he's addicted to porn, too. A few years back, he hired me to fix his daughter's computer because it froze up. When I got inside it, there were thousands of cookies from adult dating sites, Russian teen sites, etc, etc. On his daughter's computer she got from her school. Because of administrative lockouts the district put on it, I couldn't help him clean it out. That incident was brought up during the divorce proceedings.

Last week I ran into him at my bar, and he was on his usual rant and tear. He asked me about those "BDSM" women and if they were any easier than "normal" women. He used to be one of my customers when I was bartending before and knew I'd been in the scene. I took him outside and told him that A. he needed to get some help with his addiction before something really bad happens, and B. he would have less success with a scene-player than anywhere else. Needless to say, he wasn't happy about it, but that's too bad for him.

I know you're judged by the company you keep, and once upon a time he was a good friend, but people like that sometimes need professional help before they become a danger to themselves and others. I like porn too, but I don't have the slightest difficulty in distinguishing what's "real" and what's manipulated to sell DVDs and site memberships either. As another poster commented earlier, guys like that are just looking for that piece of "strange" to feel complete, and figure that women in the scene are "easier" and "kinkier" than the ones on the vanilla sites.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 7:42:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS
No...No...NOOOO! *SLAP*


Oooh. That felt surprisingly good!

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 7:49:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
potential male subs come into the lifestyle with expectations that the Domme is going to carry a whip, and wear a leather corset, fishnet stockings, and 9-inch heels all day long. That's just not realistic.


What do you mean not realistic?
Says so right here in this Femdom instructional video!
http://xhamster.com/movies/885514/femdom_whip_party.html

It seems that ALL Mistresses wear black leather corsets, fishnet stockings, and 9-inch heels!
http://xhamster.com/movies/1049638/femdom_whip_slaves.html

Well, OK, I googled for "Femdom" and this one isn't wearing the fishnet stockings:
http://xhamster.com/movies/1044024/asian_femdom_whipping.html

So, looking at the videos to find someone casually dressed, as you say must exist ... I see ... oh yes ... it had to be in Japan ... but here's what casual Femdom's must wear!
http://xhamster.com/movies/211514/whip_lesson_for_young_femdom_in_japan.html

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 7:53:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
I think too many potential male subs fail before they even get started because they get their expectations from porn.

Just for the record here, I think you could replace "romance novels" with "porn" in the above sentence then it becomes true of female "subs" also. I don't know if I see that as a "bad" thing exactly. Much of BDSM seems to be about chasing a fantasy and so long as one's feet stay more or less firmly planted on the ground while doing so I don't see anything wrong with that.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 8:23:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pompeii

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
potential male subs come into the lifestyle with expectations that the Domme is going to carry a whip, and wear a leather corset, fishnet stockings, and 9-inch heels all day long. That's just not realistic.


What do you mean not realistic?
Says so right here in this Femdom instructional video!



After viewing your instructional videos, it becomes clear that I was mistaken. All dominant women DO wear leather corsets, fishnet stockings, and 9-inch heels.

The BDSM world would be walking around with so many misconceptions if we didn't have porn to show us how things are REALLY done.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 8:29:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
I think too many potential male subs fail before they even get started because they get their expectations from porn.

Just for the record here, I think you could replace "romance novels" with "porn" in the above sentence then it becomes true of female "subs" also. I don't know if I see that as a "bad" thing exactly. Much of BDSM seems to be about chasing a fantasy and so long as one's feet stay more or less firmly planted on the ground while doing so I don't see anything wrong with that.


Nothing wrong with chasing a fantasy. It's just when people can't distinguish fantasy from reality that is the issue.

I think many potential male subs really think that a Domme is going to be a living, breathing personification of what they've seen in femdom porn. But unless they're going to a pro Domme, they're likely to be sadly disappointed.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 8:45:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

Just for the record here, I think you could replace "romance novels" with "porn" in the above sentence then it becomes true of female "subs" also. I don't know if I see that as a "bad" thing exactly. Much of BDSM seems to be about chasing a fantasy and so long as one's feet stay more or less firmly planted on the ground while doing so I don't see anything wrong with that.


I second the statement you made about romance novels. I read a ton of them when I was in high school, and when I began dating a real man, I was so disappointed that losing my virginity wasn't magical like it is in the books I read. Lesson learned.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 8:49:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat
I second the statement you made about romance novels. I read a ton of them when I was in high school, and when I began dating a real man, I was so disappointed that losing my virginity wasn't magical like it is in the books I read. Lesson learned.

*nods* And honestly, if I had to choose where my female partners learned their relationship skills from I suppose I'd choose romance novels over porn... barely... I just think male subs get a bad rap on this particular point. Female subs aren't any different near as I can tell. In both cases you have someone who's got a particular vision/image/fantasy/whatever in their head and they are trying to create that (or mostly create it) in reality.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 8:53:51 AM   
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Two comments about this interesting story ...
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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman
he's been banned from a couple bars already ...


Wow. A bar, by its very nature, gets assholes and idiots every single day, hundreds of them (they're their customers); so bars have learned how to ignore and otherwise deal with your average misplaced socialite. On top of the thick skin of a bar, if he's STILL getting banned, then he's definitely in need of professional help.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman
B. he would have less success with a scene-player than anywhere else.


If he lives in any area that is at all populated, there are a dozen hookers within a mile of his house, already serving OTHER men on a daily basis - so - all he really needs to do is fork up $150 for an hour with any D/s pro and he can bind her, whip her, hang her upside down, spank her, whatever they agree on, to his heart's content.

I didn't look up your locale, but look here, in mine, for an example:
http://www.thegatessm.com

The good news about hookers is that they DO what most women won't. That's why there is one within a mile of every one of us, and, SOMEONE is keeping them in business - and has been since before recorded time.

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RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 9:24:28 AM   
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So what are the clues that a particular femdom porn video is misleading?

This is what I see in the aforementioned instructional videos:
[list]
  • We already ascertained they wear leather corsets, fishnet stockings, & 9-inch heels
  • Multiple women surrounding the hapless male, who is apparently always naked
  • The lucky male submissive always appears to be on his knees, back, or stomach
  • The woman's attention is always focused almost exclusively on the male's cock
  • The lucky object of her attention is almost always rock hard
  • He often gets to lick her out in the end, and she masturbates him at the very least
    [/list]

    What else is (perhaps slightly off the mark) in those elucidating "instructional videos"?

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    RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 9:28:05 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AAkasha


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Akrotiri

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    It turns out, porn has little or nothing to do with the way things work in real life.


    [ wank fodder alert ]
    I'm curious.

    Is there a single movie that I can watch that DOES accurately portray what femdom is about for you?

    Or do absolutely no videos accurately portray what femdom is all about for you?

    [ / wank fodder alert ]



    There is a movie called "Punish Me" (you can get it on Amazon) that doesn't necessarily portray a RELATIONSHIP of femdom that mimics mine, but some of the sensuality/style of some of the BDSM interactions are more close to mine than any het femdom porn you will find.

    Here's a clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_XJsMwx2s

    Akasha

    Well, the clip you sent isn't quite as 'rousing as part 2!!! (found right after it)
    But yeah, I can see that this would be pretty close to SOME real life situations ...a teen wanting his 50 year old probation officer to dominate him, LOL!(although the boy is too young by American age limits and he should be 18 not 16). I also have a problem with her being married and the unknowing husband befriending the boy, that's just a bad situation. That's just ME, I'm not into any of that...but otherwise looks like a good movie.
    --MM

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    RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 9:39:26 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: thracia

    So what are the clues that a particular femdom porn video is misleading?

    This is what I see in the aforementioned instructional videos:
    [list]
  • We already ascertained they wear leather corsets, fishnet stockings, & 9-inch heels
  • Multiple women surrounding the hapless male, who is apparently always naked
  • The lucky male submissive always appears to be on his knees, back, or stomach
  • The woman's attention is always focused almost exclusively on the male's cock
  • The lucky object of her attention is almost always rock hard
  • He often gets to lick her out in the end, and she masturbates him at the very least
    [/list]

    What else is (perhaps slightly off the mark) in those elucidating "instructional videos"?



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    RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 9:58:46 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: thracia

    So what are the clues that a particular femdom porn video is misleading?

    This is what I see in the aforementioned instructional videos:
    [list]
  • We already ascertained they wear leather corsets, fishnet stockings, & 9-inch heels
  • Multiple women surrounding the hapless male, who is apparently always naked
  • The lucky male submissive always appears to be on his knees, back, or stomach
  • The woman's attention is always focused almost exclusively on the male's cock
  • The lucky object of her attention is almost always rock hard
  • He often gets to lick her out in the end, and she masturbates him at the very least
    [/list]

    What else is (perhaps slightly off the mark) in those elucidating "instructional videos"?
  • I'm not watching all of that, but from the pics that you've got up there, the first thing that hit My mind is that there's not a single mark on any of the males that's been received in S/m. Not even so much as red skin.

    The third one, "Victoria's....." looks to be more of a leather fetishist video than anything else. Oddly enough, I've been doing this for a while and I can't say I recall many instances of two Dominant women focusing on one cock for *his* amusement.

    The stocks in the second pic look cool. The safety chick in Me is saying I really hope the piece is either bolted to the floor or it's got a good overhead attachment. Obviously staged for the shot or it would have been slanted more for viewing pleasure from the couch. It's supposed to be *her* show, isn't it?

    Buried in the sand guy, in My opinion is way too much work/wait for the scene to be set for very little pay off.



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    RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 10:04:55 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LadyPact
    way too much work/wait for the scene to be set for very little pay off.


    yeah, but look at those approval ratings!

    Most videos searches automatically sort by approval ratings, so, these, starting at 98% are what people really like to see!

    Note: It might not be what Femdom really entails - but it's what the customer (whoever is approving them anyway) like to see when searching for Femdom videos.

    Try this google search, for example:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=femdom+video+porn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a

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    RE: Have others noticed that the typical Femdom porn vi... - 4/3/2013 10:11:46 AM   
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    yeah, but look at those approval ratings!



    Oooh. I love experiments.

    Here's the first hit I found, which shows that the highest-rated femdom porn videos are clearly cock centric!


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