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Does being religious mean that you are:

More moral than the non-religious

13% (8)

As moral as the non-religious

36% (22)

Less moral than the non-religious

18% (11)

chose none of the above as I refuse to voice an opinion yet still vote

31% (19)

Total Votes : 60

(last vote on : 5/14/2014 8:05:37 PM)
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GotSteel -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/22/2013 6:10:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder atheists for me, are obvious, not very hard to pick out even if they are in the closet. The simplest conversations, their mannerisms, their etiquette, morals, etc....are going to be radically different from mine. Then again, when I casually talk to people the conversations always lead to something where their atheism is as obvious as the sun. [sarcasm] theists for me, are obvious, not very hard to pick out even if they are in the closet. The simplest conversations, their body weight, their education, personal hygiene etc....are going to be radically different from mine. Then again, when I casually talk to people the conversations always lead to something where yu gunna burn 'n HELL FIRE. [/sarcasm] Talk about theists and everybody immediately gets the appalling ignorance of such a statement. But add an A to the word and suddenly quite a few people have an awful hard time noticing what bigotry looks like. Yeah redneck Christian is a stereotype but that cartoonish stereotype is far from the only sort of Christian out there, let alone the only sort of theist. But add an A and suddenly some people can't manage to grasp that very same concept.

littlewonder -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/22/2013 6:28:50 PM)
where did I ever say the word "evil"? Intentions always matter when it comes to actions. If I do something for someone but I am doing it out of obligation or because I want something out of it, then for me personally, it's wasted. It's not worth anything to me. But if I do it from the kindness of my heart and because I don't expect anything in return, then for me and my opinion, it's worth everything. I want to know WHY someone is doing something..not just that they are doing it. YMMV

GotSteel -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 8:21:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder And even if we did share the same morals, WHY I have my morals are most likely completely different from yours and that really does matter for me. It's the intention, not the action. Short of telepathy how do you plan to identify atheists by their intentions when their words and actions are identical to yours?

Rule -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 8:28:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder where did I ever say the word "evil"? Intentions always matter when it comes to actions. If I do something for someone but I am doing it out of obligation or because I want something out of it, then for me personally, it's wasted. It's not worth anything to me. But if I do it from the kindness of my heart and because I don't expect anything in return, then for me and my opinion, it's worth everything. I want to know WHY someone is doing something..not just that they are doing it. [sm=goodpost.gif]

vincentML -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 10:18:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder where did I ever say the word "evil"? Intentions always matter when it comes to actions. If I do something for someone but I am doing it out of obligation or because I want something out of it, then for me personally, it's wasted. It's not worth anything to me. But if I do it from the kindness of my heart and because I don't expect anything in return, then for me and my opinion, it's worth everything. I want to know WHY someone is doing something..not just that they are doing it. YMMV Mostly we do something because it is the right thing to do. It is part of our morality . . . . even if we are atheists, you see. Our intentions are determined by our codes of morality. We do not have to weigh whether it is worth anything to us. It is just the RIGHT thing to do. Morality has a selfless dimension that is universal to believers and non-believers. Morality is an OUGHT not a WHY.

FunCouple5280 -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 10:30:37 AM)
Maybe, I know why I stop and help people on the side of the road even if I am in a hurry.... 1: I would hope they would do it for me 2:I feel really good about myself for the rest of the day. I think there is something inate about morality. Doing the 'right' thing just feels good. Even as a Sadist, I only enjoy it if I am doing it to a masochist who get pleasure from it. Maybe that makes me less of a Sadist, but it also reduces the Asshole factor a lot too[:D]

Rule -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 12:14:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Mostly we do something because it is the right thing to do. It is part of our morality . . . . even if we are atheists, you see. Our intentions are determined by our codes of morality. We do not have to weigh whether it is worth anything to us. It is just the RIGHT thing to do. Morality has a selfless dimension that is universal to believers and non-believers. Morality is an OUGHT not a WHY. Not everyone is born with such an innate morality - and some who are born with it, loose it.

vincentML -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 12:42:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Mostly we do something because it is the right thing to do. It is part of our morality . . . . even if we are atheists, you see. Our intentions are determined by our codes of morality. We do not have to weigh whether it is worth anything to us. It is just the RIGHT thing to do. Morality has a selfless dimension that is universal to believers and non-believers. Morality is an OUGHT not a WHY. Not everyone is born with such an innate morality - and some who are born with it, loose it. I did not say 'innate' Rule.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 12:48:40 PM)
Fast Reply. Religion doesn't make someone any more or less ethical or moral than one who has no religion. The problem occurs when people use "Religion" as an excuse to act like an immoral scumbag. Even though these people CLAIM to be religious, they aren't. Going to church 3 times a week doesn't make one religious any more than being in a garage makes one a car.

Rule -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 12:50:51 PM)
Ah. Indeed, some of those who are without innate morality may develop a system of ethics, or adopt the ethics provided by a religion or by someone else, as for example their parents.

ReMakeYou -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 12:54:58 PM)
Religion makes people more community minded. Whether that's good or bad depends on a lot. It only really becomes a problem when religion is seen as axiomatically Good. When something is supposedly above questioning, people will exploit that. That's a historical inevitability.

littlewonder -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/24/2013 6:01:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder And even if we did share the same morals, WHY I have my morals are most likely completely different from yours and that really does matter for me. It's the intention, not the action. Short of telepathy how do you plan to identify atheists by their intentions when their words and actions are identical to yours? <just looks at the way GotSteel likes to argue and doesn't say another word>

GotSteel -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/25/2013 12:39:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 I think there is something inate about morality. We're hardwired for moral reasoning similar to how we're hardwired for language. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/05/morality_is_har/ Just like we end up acquiring different languages (English, Spanish, etc.) we also end up acquiring different systems of morality. For instance I'm a humanist, I think "good" is what's best for humanist. Someone else might think that "good" is what's pleasing to their god. For example a person with the latter sort of moral reasoning who's of the opinion that her god hates gays might conclude that oppressing homosexuals is the right thing to do. People with the former sort of moral reasoning on the other hand overwhelmingly come to the conclusion that oppressing homosexuals is super evil. Where the bigotry came into this thread is when atheists all got assigned a single position. Seriously, how many times do I have to show people who don't understand atheism that trying to inform atheists how atheism works makes them look ignorant before they get it?

Kirata -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/25/2013 12:54:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 I think there is something inate about morality. We're hardwired for moral reasoning similar to how we're hardwired for language. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/05/morality_is_har/ Just like we end up acquiring different languages (English, Spanish, etc.) we also end up acquiring different systems of morality. That is a six years out of date speculation, and it's wrong. What is innate is a sense of fairness, not merely a capacity for learning moral behavior. quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel For instance I'm a humanist, I think "good" is what's best for humanist. Yes, some people are like that. They think "good" is what's best for their group. I don't recommend taking advice from them. K.

FunCouple5280 -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (4/25/2013 1:36:57 PM)
quote: Where the bigotry came into this thread is when atheists all got assigned a single position. Seriously, how many times do I have to show people who don't understand atheism that trying to inform atheists how atheism works makes them look ignorant before they get it? Lol Yup, The problem with people that do it is they usually never held the view of atheism. So, they never really do understand it. The difference with atheists is that many of them were formerly people belonging to some religion or another. While they may claim atheists cannot speak intelligently about religion, they can as they were once part of that belief. Yet, since they have never waivered in faith, they cannot speak intelligently of atheistic behavior other than from limited observation. Where I differ with many atheists is that I claim they are still people of faith; whereas they will often refuse that notion (I don't know where you sit as to project on your feelings). I was once christian, then atheist for a good degade, now I would say I am like an agnostic with some nihilistic tendencies. I got that way because I found myself as an atheist feeling a bit the same as I did. Still having faith, faith that there was no higher power or spiritual world. With the notion, I could neither prove nor disprove any of it with certitude, I chose to go more for the lack of belief in anything certain. All I really know, is faith is one thing and religion is another. I want nothing of religion, I want nothing of the dictates of man and his dogma to rule my life. While religion may be based on a faith, faith does not require the doctrine of religion to exist.

GotSteel -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (5/10/2014 7:39:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 Why are they rationalizing? because [insert diety here] or really the guy on shrooms writing the scripture gave them the notion that one should have faith, follow the word, and say fuck reason. "Thinking is stinking," -Charles Manson

Kirata -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (5/11/2014 1:08:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel "Thinking is stinking," -Charles Manson You dredged up a thread that's been dead for over a year just to post that? We'll chalk it up as autobiographical, then. K.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (5/11/2014 1:16:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel "Thinking is stinking," -Charles Manson You dredged up a thread that's been dead for over a year just to post that? We'll chalk it up as autobiographical, then. K. I don't know, K. I was thinking about adding to this thread for quite some time but I just couldn't find an appropriate David Berkowitz quotation. [:D] Screen captures *still* RULE! Ya feel me?

Musicmystery -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (5/11/2014 10:21:11 AM)
It does at least explain his disdain for thoughtful discussion in lieu of endlessly repeating his own position.

thishereboi -> RE: Does being religious mean that you are: (5/11/2014 1:32:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel "Thinking is stinking," -Charles Manson You dredged up a thread that's been dead for over a year just to post that? We'll chalk it up as autobiographical, then. K. I don't know, K. I was thinking about adding to this thread for quite some time but I just couldn't find an appropriate David Berkowitz quotation. [:D] Screen captures *still* RULE! Ya feel me? "The demons wanted my penis." http://psychautopsy.weebly.com/7/post/2008/05/david-berkowitz-quotes.html

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