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Yachtie -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 2:26:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam What are they gonna do, let go and swim away? Yes. But not swim away. They'll continue drowning. You get behind a drowning victim, not in front of them. My training was via scuba, not certified life saving.

mnottertail -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 2:35:17 PM)
quote: What are they gonna do, let go and swim away? You think man, what are they gonna do, go snorkeling with you? They are going to let go and thrash towards air. And Yachtie, useless save, how do you come up behind someone? You can't approach them as fast as they are flailing, and you gotta look out that they dont twist and you end up near anywhere they got feet. they can flop front to back or belly to back faster than you can approach them, and they are already in a panic, you dont wanna be reaching in there cuz like you said, they dont give a fiddlers fuck about you, and you are the enemy at that point, you are a threat. No fuckin beatific angel of light and romance.

hlen5 -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 3:15:10 PM)
Actually, when the rescuer goes under, the rescuer should use the victim's body to go behind the victim and come up behind. Then you can try the usual towing method. If they are still thrashing, you try to lure them in by staying just out of reach and swimming backwards to shore. Thanks for the reminder, Yachtie.

Politesub53 -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 4:35:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: In a staggering case of affirmative action gone wild, officials in a major U.S. city are actually recruiting minorities to be lifeguards at public pools even if they’re not good swimmers. Apparently Judicial Watch can make up this crappy racist story. This detail may have escaped you, but your cite does not contradict the quote. Nor does the story omit to mention the training they will receive: Phoenix will spend thousands of dollars to recruit minorities even if they’re not strong swimmers, according to an official quoted in a news report. Blacks, Latinos and Asians who may not necessarily qualify can still get hired, says the city official who adds that “we will work with you in your swimming abilities.” Additionally, this "crappy racist story" parallels the NPR article, which it references: On a recruiting effort there over the winter, the city's Melissa Boyle tells students she's not looking for strong swimmers... "We will work with you in your swimming abilities," Boyle says... "The kids in the pool are all either Hispanic or black or whatever, and every lifeguard is white," she says," and we don't like that. The kids don't relate; there's language issues." Adding a language requirement to the hiring criteria never seems to have occurred them. Obviously, that's not the point. They're invoking "diversity" because they don't like their kids having to learn to relate to people of other races and ethnicities. And you say the "racism" is where? K. Selective quoting again ? "To help diversify its lifeguard ranks, the city raised about $15,000 over the past two years in scholarships to offset the cost of lifeguard-certification courses. Recruits who pass a swim test at the end can apply to be city lifeguards."

DesideriScuri -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 4:37:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 Actually, when the rescuer goes under, the rescuer should use the victim's body to go behind the victim and come up behind. Then you can try the usual towing method. If they are still thrashing, you try to lure them in by staying just out of reach and swimming backwards to shore. Thanks for the reminder, Yachtie. A few years ago, I was employed at a YMCA in charge of the pool program. One of the huge changes from when I was a youth lifeguard was the reliance on "rescue tubes" (see below). [image]http://www.srsport.com/images/products/SRRTS.jpg[/image] I didn't like them. At all. I found it more difficult to perform the rescues, but that easily could have been because I had previously been trained without them. The kids being trained through the YMCA program didn't have much issue with the tubes, but God help the victim if the tube was being used by someone else (as in a double victim rescue). They had major difficulty with rescues when the tube wasn't used. The tube, however, is a fantastic tool for keeping safe distance between the rescuer and the victim. Back in the day, if you were approaching a struggling victim and they tried to grab you, they got a open hand to the sternum to maintain separation. If the victim was flailing too much you dove under water a safe distance away and swam under the victim, climbing up their body akin to a ladder, coming up behind the victim. Lock in the cross arm and away you go. The kids that were trained at the Y when I was there would not have been capable of passing the course I took at their age. We had a couple not pass, and we were all competitive swim team members. And, Ron, if you aren't a competent swimmer, you'll likely have issues if you have to rescue someone in deep water from the water (as opposed to from poolside). Someone in a panic is likely to resist the rescue attempts initially, until the panic starts to subside. That could be too late for a rescuer who isn't a strong swimmer.

Yachtie -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 4:55:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 Actually, when the rescuer goes under, the rescuer should use the victim's body to go behind the victim and come up behind. Then you can try the usual towing method. If they are still thrashing, you try to lure them in by staying just out of reach and swimming backwards to shore. Thanks for the reminder, Yachtie. You're welcome.

Kirata -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 5:18:07 PM)
They're spending fifteen grand to reduce the diversity at the pools in the name of "diversity". You can't make this shit up. K.

DomKen -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 5:20:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata They're spending fifteen grand to reduce the diversity at the pools in the name of "diversity". You can't make this shit up. K. You just did.

Kirata -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 6:46:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You just did. I've posted the quotes that back up what I said. What have you got, besides empty claims? K.

Hillwilliam -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 8:56:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata They're spending fifteen grand to reduce the diversity at the pools in the name of "diversity". You can't make this shit up. K. You just did. Actually, ken, if you think about it, he's correct. The old way, there were faces of all colors arond the pool (anglo lifeguards) What they want is monochrome pool areas. They don't want people of certain ethnicities working there. Is it racist to give favoritism to someone based solely upon his or her skin color? Is it racist to hire people who are less capable solely because of their color even though it might endanger the life of a child?

TheHeretic -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 9:23:37 PM)
When I was a kid at the park pools, the lifeguards spent a hell of a lot more time monitoring behavior, than they did pulling people in trouble out of the water. And what pools are we talking about? The small ones so full of splashing 10 year olds that you can't swim more than three strokes anyway, or competition sized, with enough depth for a dive team to practice in? If the need is for babysitters in bathing suits, I can understand recruiting candidates who speak the language, and aren't going to get called a racist by a piece of shit parent, when their piece of shit kid gets kicked out of the pool.

Esinn -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/4/2013 11:43:20 PM)
The black and latino thing seems to have been a distraction...... We should be discussing: Obama decries ‘perpetual campaign’ at $2.5 million fundraiser President Obama told a $5,000-per-person cocktail reception Wednesday evening that “we can’t have perpetual campaigns” ...Hedge fund billionaire Tom Steyer hosted Obama’s cocktail party at his San Francisco mansion Wednesday night, before Obama transitioned to an even more exclusive $32,400-per-person dinner at Ann Getty’s mansion in Pacific Heights > Say what? ACLU says Reid’s gun legislation could threaten privacy rights, civil liberties a top lobbyist for the ACLU announced that the group thinks Reid’s current gun bill could threaten both privacy rights and civil liberties... “As we’ve seen with many large government databases, if you build it, they will come.”

Politesub53 -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 5:43:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You just did. I've posted the quotes that back up what I said. What have you got, besides empty claims? K. No, you have posted part quotes which back up what you claim to say. No one is taking on non swimmers as you seemed to suggest in the OP. They are indeed taking people on and training them to a profficient level though. Thats a whole different notion from yours.

DomKen -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 10:06:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata They're spending fifteen grand to reduce the diversity at the pools in the name of "diversity". You can't make this shit up. K. You just did. Actually, ken, if you think about it, he's correct. The old way, there were faces of all colors arond the pool (anglo lifeguards) What they want is monochrome pool areas. They don't want people of certain ethnicities working there. Is it racist to give favoritism to someone based solely upon his or her skin color? Is it racist to hire people who are less capable solely because of their color even though it might endanger the life of a child? No where in any of the articles did I read anything about no longer hiring whites as lifeguards. Just that they wanted to hire some brown people as well.

vincentML -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 10:22:25 AM)
quote: And you say the "racism" is where? The racism is in the headline of your thread and in the slant given the story by Judicial Watch: In a staggering case of affirmative action gone wild, officials in a major U.S. city are actually recruiting minorities to be lifeguards at public pools even if they’re not good swimmers. It’s all in the name of diversity. You can’t make this stuff up. It is implicitly suggested that there is something wrong in recruiting children of color and teaching them to swim so they can gain lifeguard certification. JW conveniently omitted the fact that the white lifeguards came from high schools that had swimming facilities and lived in neighborhoods that were far from the city pools, while the inner city schools lack facilities. Publishing a screed against a little equal opportunity diversity and calling it "affirmative action gone wild" measures up to sly race baiting imo. Actually, the race baiting is pretty obvious.

vincentML -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 11:22:56 AM)
quote: Actually, ken, if you think about it, he's correct. The old way, there were faces of all colors arond the pool (anglo lifeguards) What they want is monochrome pool areas. They don't want people of certain ethnicities working there. Is it racist to give favoritism to someone based solely upon his or her skin color? Is it racist to hire people who are less capable solely because of their color even though it might endanger the life of a child? Not at all, Hill. Nowhere is monochromatic stated or implied in the NPR report. Only in your imagination. Nowhere is it suggested that children of color will be given a pass on completing the tests to get their certification. So, where are lives endangered? Racism is the belief that one race is inherently superior than another. Where is it suggested that children of color are superior by their race?

lovmuffin -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 2:52:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 Actually, when the rescuer goes under, the rescuer should use the victim's body to go behind the victim and come up behind. Then you can try the usual towing method. If they are still thrashing, you try to lure them in by staying just out of reach and swimming backwards to shore. Thanks for the reminder, Yachtie. A few years ago, I was employed at a YMCA in charge of the pool program. One of the huge changes from when I was a youth lifeguard was the reliance on "rescue tubes" (see below). [image]http://www.srsport.com/images/products/SRRTS.jpg[/image] I didn't like them. At all. I found it more difficult to perform the rescues, but that easily could have been because I had previously been trained without them. The kids being trained through the YMCA program didn't have much issue with the tubes, but God help the victim if the tube was being used by someone else (as in a double victim rescue). They had major difficulty with rescues when the tube wasn't used. The tube, however, is a fantastic tool for keeping safe distance between the rescuer and the victim. Back in the day, if you were approaching a struggling victim and they tried to grab you, they got a open hand to the sternum to maintain separation. If the victim was flailing too much you dove under water a safe distance away and swam under the victim, climbing up their body akin to a ladder, coming up behind the victim. Lock in the cross arm and away you go. The kids that were trained at the Y when I was there would not have been capable of passing the course I took at their age. We had a couple not pass, and we were all competitive swim team members. And, Ron, if you aren't a competent swimmer, you'll likely have issues if you have to rescue someone in deep water from the water (as opposed to from poolside). Someone in a panic is likely to resist the rescue attempts initially, until the panic starts to subside. That could be too late for a rescuer who isn't a strong swimmer. Just for the record, and this is a reply to several postings on this thread. When I took lifesaving we were taught to always if possible use something to reach for a drowning person such as a towel, a stick or one of those long poles with a hook they have at pools or a life buoy attached to a rope. Only go after the victim as a last resort. At a lake or beach there are different precautions and strategies as compared to at a pool.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 3:52:51 PM)
FR Just fyi, the pool is only hiring the lifeguards. People who swim in the pool are not employees. When one looks at employment diversity in any institution you are looking at the employees of the institution NOT the users of the service or product. If all the lifeguards are white then there is no diversity of the lifeguards. Period. That determination has nothing to do with who is using the pool. In the same way, when you evaluate diversity within employees, you generally look at the people of the same rank/pay level/seniority etc. to determine diversity. If an institution has a mix of people but only white males in all senior positions then there is NO diversity in the top ranks. Period. It has nothing to do with how much diversity there might be elsewhere. Some people on this thread seem to misunderstand the issue of diversity in the workplace. [&:]

Owner59 -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 5:01:41 PM)
HW has it correct....struggling victims are VERY dangerous......and near impossible to deal with,much less put in a cross chest hold and tow them. When I was a WSI,our teacher had us practice water fighting and escaping from clinches. He told us in the end,we had to let them drown or become unconscious if they were out of control..... Drowning is a frightening thing to experience. We also had a gig every spring,going around to various local pools to "test" the lifeguards.For us.this was the one fun thing about teaching water safety......simulating a struggling victim...

Esinn -> RE: You Can't Make This Shit Up.... (4/5/2013 6:39:02 PM)
Ummm? A WSI instructor told you to let someone drown? You should punch yourself in the balls or pus' for repeating that - especially if you agree. And give us their name. The fact you, if you agree... Or your instructor is incompetent is not justification to let someone die. I get it... Rather than go for actual training. It is easier to be weak and impotent and pretend you did all you could. Anyway, however you scrape the web keywords: SAR, panicky, ATG (Afloat Training Group), Escape & Evasion training...... http://www.navy.mil/view_image_list.asp?id=27&page=67 You do what you do... "So others can live".

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