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FrostedFlake -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (4/11/2013 9:53:37 PM)

It's nice that Akasha took the time to mention that not all dominant ladies just want the lawn mowed. Some actually want what you do. I hope the OP notes the opposite side of that coin. Those who just want WORK from you will carefully point out how unreasonable it is for a submissive man to get a stiffi. Rude, even. They are full of hooey. And self indulgent.

Which is not to say anyone gets a free ride, from anyone.

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Akasha
But above all -- chemistry rules everything. Without lust, affection, attraction, there is no desire for domination. And a man being a sub is not enough for most femdoms to want to dominate him. He has to be desirable on all the "non kinky" levels, too.


I doubt you are actually going to meet anyone who thinks virginity is "GRrrrrr-ATE!" And even if you do, that won't last long. On the other hand, there are certain things you can do that might help your chances. Check out these standard suggestions.

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Best wishes.




AAkasha -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (4/12/2013 9:28:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

It's nice that Akasha took the time to mention that not all dominant ladies just want the lawn mowed. Some actually want what you do. I hope the OP notes the opposite side of that coin. Those who just want WORK from you will carefully point out how unreasonable it is for a submissive man to get a stiffi. Rude, even. They are full of hooey. And self indulgent.

Which is not to say anyone gets a free ride, from anyone.



The problem is that for a long time dominant women have been telling confused subs and/or potential bottoms that they are misguided for having kinky fantasies that focus on sensuality, and that femdoms must get something in return, and are told "What can you do for me? Can you cook or clean or help out?"

So what happens is that men with NO interest in 'service' think that it's a barter deal. Ok, they do some chores and THEN they get "played with." They have no sincere desire for service submission - this leaves all the guys that actually have a real sincere desire for this kind of relationship with more insincere competition. What's worse, we have a new batch of men that say "I will cook for you, run your errands, clean for you, I love service" and they DON'T! They do it, and THEN they think it's time for the lady to pay up in terms of play time and stimulation.

BDSM is not a barter relationship. I have NO interest in a man DOING stuff for me and then that makes me "want" to dominate him. I feel it's much more fair to the subs/bottoms AND to the men who are honestly seeking service relationships if the message to these subs is that YES, there are women seeking "erotic, sensual power exchange" but that it's based on a mutually affectionate, mutually lustful relationship and not based purely on "You're a sub? I'm a dom! Great, let's go!"

And sure, women that are wired this way may be more of a rare breed. And it should be made very clear that physical attraction and a "get to know you" process is absolutely, positively a must for 99% of the women, and there's no fast track unless a man's willing to go to a professional dungeon.

But by leading a man into the thought process that dominant women want/need to be "served" in order to be dominant I think it might be sending the wrong message.

Akasha




searching4mysir -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (4/12/2013 9:54:42 AM)

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BDSM is not a barter relationship.



Sometimes it is. Not all BDSM relationships are D/s or M/s. Just like not all D/s or M/s involve BDSM.




AAkasha -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (4/12/2013 9:57:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

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BDSM is not a barter relationship.



Sometimes it is. Not all BDSM relationships are D/s or M/s. Just like not all D/s or M/s involve BDSM.



I should have been more clear. Unless explicitly stated and agreed upon, or both parties are on the same page about it, it is not. If a man comes into a new situation with a femdom he does not know and provides service expecting play in "exchange" but she thought he was providing service because he enjoys service, that's not fair and reasonable barter, or good for either party.
Akasha




LadyPact -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (4/12/2013 10:38:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
I should have been more clear. Unless explicitly stated and agreed upon, or both parties are on the same page about it, it is not. If a man comes into a new situation with a femdom he does not know and provides service expecting play in "exchange" but she thought he was providing service because he enjoys service, that's not fair and reasonable barter, or good for either party.
Akasha
You'd also have to admit it would be piss poor communication between the parties.





MaamJay -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (4/12/2013 8:50:48 PM)

I think part of the problem in this discussion is NOT old timers being nasty, but in the new boy not acknowledging any wisdom in what any of us have said. A number of people have explained clearly and patiently why "real bdsmers" don't like to see the word abuse connected with what we do. Yet the logic behind this has not been accepted and acknowledged by the OP, even if he might internalise it as abuse for himself, he's going to win more friends if he doesn't say that word.

Similarly, he doesn't seem to have connected with the idea that every Domme is different in what She wants and how She operates within a relationship. There may be some out there for whom deflowering a virgin is the ultimate excitement, but as others have explained, it's a once-only thing. So that doesn't bode well for any lasting relationship! There seems to be many Dommes for whom non-sexual service is part of the relationship, whether it's done before or after play. So maybe thinking about what kinds of things he would be willing and able to do would be helpful, and we have gradually teased out some ideas there, for example, he would be willing to cook a meal. Good! We've also got him to look a bit deeper into types of play, which is why I'm going to pick up on this post from the OP, though the discussion moved on, this bit was overlooked it seems.

Sure, I have fantasies. Not going to lie about that, but I genuinely do wish to please a "master"
If she wants to piss on me, I accept. If she wants me to brush her hair, I'm up for it. If she wants to put a dildo in my butt, I'm out of there.


Now I admit I love to do anal play with boys. In the case of a virgin, this is part of deflowering him for Me. As others have pointed out, virgins are typically pretty hopeless in that, in My experience, they go off faster than I could say their names! Even if they are of 1 syllable. So I'm unlikely to get sexually satisfied by penetration ... assuming they last long enough to get it in anywhere useful! They are often not very skilled at oral sex, that takes some practice too, so offering their ass is one thing that I can get pleasure from at My pace. So for Me personally, a submissive who says If she wants to put a dildo in my butt, I'm out of there is off My list. BUT that wouldn't put him off every Domme's list. OP please take this on board ... WE DOMMES ARE ALL DIFFERENT. The skill is finding one where your limits and Hers are closely aligned.

And to do this, you need to think a lot further than the fantasies to what you really want, what you can offer and where your limits lie. For example, you were pretty glib about knife play being fine ... but many people consider that edge play. Exactly what is OK with knife play for you? Is it just being threatened? What if She cuts your underwear off with it? What if She runs the blunt edge over your body? What if She threatens to cut off your virgin dick? What if She uses the blade anywhere on you and makes patterns? What if She is into cutting and draws blood? What if She actually does cut off your dick? Or your balls? Or a finger? or ... do I make My point here?

People here are not trying to be nasty to you ... they are trying to make you think as part of the process of becoming educated about bdsm and in particular, where you might fit in. It would go a lot easier if instead of being immediately defensive, you first acknowledge the lesson you learn from each post, even if you then continue to expand on what you thought. Teachers love to feel that their words were not in vain!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




forcedsensuality -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 7:29:52 AM)

I think that virginity is a weird place. Similar to people imagining their first relationship. So I think this young man is fantasising about the fantasy in the absence of real world experience. I'm sure many virgins want "to be taken" by someone that will magically resolve all that anxiety about what to do, so that they don't have to worry or take responsibility for "getting it right". But you know, it's not as if there is only one right way !! Sexuality, wow, half the fun is thinking up the next way .. teamwork, being a bit naughty with someone else .. Making it up as you go along, both of you !

It reminds me of that "being in love with love" thing that happens to young people who only have their imagination and some movies and books to take the place of those real-life sensations and feelings and interactions.

My advice would be that you just have to take a bit more control. You have to find someone that you think you will like "having their way" with you, because really abusive nonconsensual non-play scene could have you realising you're stuck and in a bad place within the first 10 minutes, obliged to go through with something that could be abusive in the worst possible way and leave you scarred, leaving you like so many other virgins, bitterly regretting their first experience.

The whole BDSM thing plays right into alleviating these anxieties that everybody has by casually abdicating responsibility for yourself and waiving your control of the situation. Well it could be magical but it could be horrible.

Even deciding to opt for this rather extreme scenario for your first sexual experience screams to me that you're just self-handicapping, setting yourself up to fail, making it harder than normal to have that first sexual experience that you are so anxious about.. To me this really seems like an avoidance strategy.

Why wait for whatever your absolute fantasy ideal might be ? This is a mistake a lot of young virgins make. You are really hyping the thing out of all proportion. Let's be honest here, you haven't arrived at your fantasies of a dominant woman from your extensive experience of sexual scenes have you ? This is the purist porn-drivenfantasy .. so treat it with the importance it deserves .. It's one sexual scenario out of 100, and the people in this forum are kind of warning you.. They are not eagerly taking advantage of you, nobody wants to leave somebody else with a bad first sexual experience .. Nobody wants that responsibility for some far out thing, nobody wants to feel they've left you worse off than they found you.

Go to a pro-domme, talk it over, think about it, take it lightly. But don't forget about all the other sexual options available to a healthy sexually-able21 year old man.




forcedsensuality -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 8:15:25 AM)

No. This is what you should do. Go to a whorehouse with lots of attractive girls. Make an arrangement with them. Set up a scene with the house dominatrix. Get yourself tied down so she can strap-on you and whip you and cane you hard. Each of the girls can come and and watch and do a sexy little dance in their underwear in front of you while you are being punished. They will all enjoy this and will all want you punished because instead of doing the regular thing with a regular girl your actions imply that they are not much of a turn on for you, and that in fact you'd rather go to hell. They'll cheer the dominatrix on, laugh at you, maybe you can even get spat on for a few bucks. They'll think that a 21-year-old man has more sexual opportunities available to him with people his age right then than at any other age. They'll think you deserve to be punished for turning your nose up at the obvious good things in life.

Before you leave, make another arrangement with the whorehouse, so that if you visit again, that before you get with any of the girls in the regular way you have to be punished by the dominatrix. The girls will agree. You deserve this. Hell hath no fury .. They'll put their nurses uniforms on for you, gossip about you in the staffroom and get excited about your latest bruises. And they'll believe they've helped you. And they'll all believe you deserve it.




Killerangel -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 8:27:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: forcedsensuality

No. This is what you should do. Go to a whorehouse with lots of attractive girls. Make an arrangement with them. Set up a scene with the house dominatrix. Get yourself tied down so she can strap-on you and whip you and cane you hard. Each of the girls can come and and watch and do a sexy little dance in their underwear in front of you while you are being punished. They will all enjoy this and will all want you punished because instead of doing the regular thing with a regular girl your actions imply that they are not much of a turn on for you, and that in fact you'd rather go to hell. They'll cheer the dominatrix on, laugh at you, maybe you can even get spat on for a few bucks. They'll think that a 21-year-old man has more sexual opportunities available to him with people his age right then than at any other age. They'll think you deserve to be punished for turning your nose up at the obvious good things in life.

Before you leave, make another arrangement with the whorehouse, so that if you visit again, that before you get with any of the girls in the regular way you have to be punished by the dominatrix. The girls will agree. You deserve this. Hell hath no fury .. They'll put their nurses uniforms on for you, gossip about you in the staffroom and get excited about your latest bruises. And they'll believe they've helped you. And they'll all believe you deserve it.



What. The fuck. Do you seriously think life emulates porn?




DarkSteven -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 8:55:10 AM)

Whorehouses have house Dominatrices? I'll be darned.




Killerangel -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 9:21:32 AM)

Not only do they have House Dominatrices, there are whorehouses first of all...when's the last time you've heard of a real whorehouse outside of The Mustang Ranch or Amsterdam? Unless I'm really behind the times here, do whorehouses exist? Much less with Madames running them, "staff rooms," and stock nurses uniforms?

So then this virgin guy has to get selective and choose the whorehouse with "lots of attractive girls"...so he's gotta skip all those houses with the nasty crack addicts. Only pick the one with lots of scantily clad "girls" running around. Who are attractive. Because we all know in these multitudes of whorehouses that there will be some with or without LOTS of attractive girls in them. And then, and then....the virgin guy gets everyone's attention! All these attractive women WANT to be there to punish him instead of earning money and tending to their own customers! AND...they play to a script!!! They want to punish him by doing sexy dances, humiliate him for being a virgin, get excited to count his bruises on return visits, but they also care about helping him.

WTF?????

This little fantasy actually infuriates me as the guy who wrote it seems to feel that women are running around out there playing to his script rather than being thinking entities of their own. The perfect example of how many do-me submissive men (in this case "switch") think that Dominant women are there to do their bidding.




forcedsensuality -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 9:45:42 AM)

do i think life emulates porn .. of course not.
I think he should pay all the people in whatever place he goes to.
I am sure they have minds of their own
women are paid to do that stuff in those places.. i don't think real women would want to do that, and I expected they'd all get paid.

I do think what he's doing py putting his virginity in a little jar on the bookshelf is silly

that life is not like porn was my point .. he needs to get past this used/abused thing and do some normal stuff. So i suggested he explore the reality of his non-normal fantasy.




forcedsensuality -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 9:52:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Killerangel

This little fantasy actually infuriates me as the guy who wrote it seems to feel that women are running around out there playing to his script rather than being thinking entities of their own. The perfect example of how many do-me submissive men (in this case "switch") think that Dominant women are there to do their bidding.


I don't think either of those things. Read my first post about this. My absurd "fantasy" was a reaction to the absurdity of losing your virginity that way, "abused" by a dom woman you probably don't know very well. I think the OP may have some scripts of his own.. that was kind of my point.

Sorry to infuriate, although I'm sure you'll continue to be infuriated with me.
Lots of weird scripts and fantasies out there. I wish more people would whip up a few of their own.




forcedsensuality -> RE: Do you think a Dom would prefer me? (5/11/2013 5:26:53 PM)

I do like what AAkasha has said.
Because of their superior bargaining positions, I sometimes look at what some say here and find myself thinking that they believe they can demand whatever they want .. Rather than actual relationships being two-way play things.

I'd be quite happy to work on the new room or fix the roof, but being punished for not doing household chores seems like good quid pro quo too.. After all, the woman gets me to play with, and I'm worth something.

House work always seemed the most un-erotic thing about shacking up together. I thought everybody just shared it and did their bit. Doing it is a service. Femdoms do enjoy their adult action, right ? It is more fun than cleaning the toilet, is it ? To call that stuff service provision seems disingenuous. Everybody enjoys doing stuff for each other in the bedroom.. That's what makes it so unique,.. Giving yourself is as good as it gets for your partner. You just have to be yourself ! Putting a value on it removes that ambiguous charm. You're not coming to my party because you didn't invite me to yours .. Really ?? I've got better stuff to keep track of in my little black book.





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