Zonie63
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
Back to free will.
Who said the soul was created with evil desires?
Dont see that in the equasion of the OP
Or maybe you mean original sin?
Good like evil is just a form of exercise in general.
Souls ought to be born clean in case there is no reincarnation that is.
Of course the Creator carries responsibilty for evil but not alone. Since he created free will he also created evil as sort of a byproduct. In the end still there is only one responsible for all things. God of the Book created the fallen angels.
In a more logical sense you can see trauma or dire need can create evil in somebody who was good in origin
And to return how I make up the rules.
Have not many men done so before me? I didnt invent it, I just go with the given flows and logically try to deduct truth of matter.
I dont see either how this person is going to do murder if he is already dead.
When you form an hypothesis, you better make sure you define the perimeters right to the matter it involves.
For instance a viking has a very different notion of heaven and hell then a christian.
If there is a "Creator," then I would suggest that this entity is responsible for creating the system in which our souls are either created with or somehow inserted into newborn life - on a planet with somewhat inhospitable terrain, limited resources - into a fragile body which gets hungry, thirsty, tired, forgetful all on a regular basis (and which are generally outside of the individual's control). Our body ages, gets sick - also outside of our control.
So, where is this "free will" of which you speak? If there was such a thing as "free will," there'd be no such thing as insomnia or fatigue. We wouldn't forget anything, either. If I go to the store and forget something I intended to buy, is that a reflection of my free will? Or did "God" somehow make me forget?
The soul may or may not be created with evil desires, but the limitations of our physical bodies (along with the circumstances of how we came into the world) may be setting us up to become evil. For this, I think the "Creator" (if such a being exists) would bear the primary responsibility for how people turn out, both in the positive and the negative.
Compare the lives of two people: One born of abusive parents, in poverty-stricken conditions (or perhaps even in wartime) versus one born of loving parents, in a wealthy, sheltered palace - protected and loved, never having to scratch and claw for one's daily bread. Would it be fair and just to judge one as "good" and the other as "evil" based on their supposed "free will" when it was "God" who decided where they would be born, who their parents would be, and what the conditions/environment surrounding their life would be?
Most "sin" is due to the limitations of our physical bodies and the conditions which our species has had to endure over eons. If this world has been created by some supposed Intelligent Being, then I would have to assume that He/She/It knew what He/She/It was doing while creating this universe, planet, and species.
Essentially, what "God" has done is taken a bunch of hungry dogs, put them into a pit, and thrown in a few pieces of meat for them to fight over, and then wonders why the dogs aren't behaving themselves? That's "free will," in a nutshell. Maybe next time, He/She/It can design a species which doesn't need food and doesn't get hungry, and then the Creator would have a leg to stand on in holding people responsible for their supposed "sins."
It's actually easier to not believe in a Creator. If I truly believed that some Intelligent Entity created this mess, then I'd be even more pissed off.
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