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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 11:57:31 AM   
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I will be pleasantly surprised if he is taken alive. I rather doubt it.


«You can rest assured the cops are looking for a fight now.» said one official to Boston Globe.

Standards of professionalism apparently vary between cultures, as there was no comment on it, but either way, yeah, I'd be pleasantly surprised, too.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 1:06:08 PM   
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The Iranian government has "condemned the bombings" as unnecessarily violent... When the people who invented terrorism (or at least made it a household word) are trying to distance themselves from you...you are pretty low.

I might be wrong but have the Iranians ever condemned any bombings against the US/western world? I dont recall any..maybe I just didnt notice before?.. but i read that article also and found that sorta strange.. imo, they are trying to not do anything to make US-Iran relations worse than they are & that is the reason for them coming out and saying this, they are kissing US govt arse.. in the last year the US has placed sanctions on banks that deal with Iran and that has cut their oil sales by a whopping 55%, Iran is hurting bad, currency devalued, etc, etc.. they have been economically cut off at the knees.. they do not want to antagonize the US any more than they have already.. jmo..

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 1:30:26 PM   
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I mean, the bomb belts didn't even have a dead man's switch


Just wondering...how do you know this...and if the switch required to be held in the hand would it not have made it very difficult to fire weapons?

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What would be bad about getting to interrogate them and get some answers?

I would personally like to know why they picked the target they did, and the bereaved might find more closure with a few answers.


I'm sure the police would as well...But when faced with someone that may have bombs on or to be thrown along with weapons I would think the safety of the officers and surrounding citizens should come first...don't you think.

Perhaps I am reading more into you statements then is there again but I get the idea you believe the police are out for blood and are determined to kill him even if they could capture him alive.

I evidently have more faith in the competence of the police in this very difficult manhunt where they safety of the populace and police is paramount.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 1:44:31 PM   
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The Iranian government has "condemned the bombings" as unnecessarily violent... When the people who invented terrorism (or at least made it a household word) are trying to distance themselves from you...you are pretty low. On another front, their uncle here in MD answered the question of "if he knew why.." With the response of " because they are idiots. I have always told my side of the family to stay away from them"

Ohhhhhhhh . . . .the bombings are unnecessarily violent!!!
Shudda used more gentle bombs then.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 1:50:00 PM   
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I will be pleasantly surprised if he is taken alive. I rather doubt it.


«You can rest assured the cops are looking for a fight now.» said one official to Boston Globe.

Standards of professionalism apparently vary between cultures, as there was no comment on it, but either way, yeah, I'd be pleasantly surprised, too.

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If one official's comments represent the standards of professionalism in an entire culture, you might wish to review your sampling techniques. Or perhaps your own presuppositions are clouding your usually keen perception.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 1:50:14 PM   
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The Iranian government has "condemned the bombings" as unnecessarily violent... When the people who invented terrorism (or at least made it a household word) are trying to distance themselves from you...you are pretty low.

I might be wrong but have the Iranians ever condemned any bombings against the US/western world? I dont recall any..maybe I just didnt notice before?.. but i read that article also and found that sorta strange.. imo, they are trying to not do anything to make US-Iran relations worse than they are & that is the reason for them coming out and saying this, they are kissing US govt arse.. in the last year the US has placed sanctions on banks that deal with Iran and that has cut their oil sales by a whopping 55%, Iran is hurting bad, currency devalued, etc, etc.. they have been economically cut off at the knees.. they do not want to antagonize the US any more than they have already.. jmo..

They did condemn 9/11 as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Islamic_world

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 1:56:48 PM   
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/04/uncle_ruslan_tsarni_the_uncle_of_bombing_suspects_dzhokhar_and_tamerlan.html



'From the moment we heard of an explosion at the Boston Marathon, the talk on television, Twitter, and in everyday conversations has been about which category the killers belonged to. Muslims? White supremacists? Arabs? Dark-skinned? Even in the hours since we learned the suspects’ names, it’s been all about nationality and ethnicity: Chechnya, Dagestan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia.


Then, shortly after 11:30 this morning, Ruslan Tsarni, an uncle of the two suspects, stepped out of his house in Maryland and delivered an extraordinary message about character, shame, and collective responsibility. If you haven’t seen the video, watch it below. And keep the memory of it with you in the days to come."


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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 3:22:50 PM   
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Just wondering...how do you know this...and if the switch required to be held in the hand would it not have made it very difficult to fire weapons?


1. I'm fairly certain of this, because there's a body. One that's mostly intact, except for multiple gunshot wounds, getting run over and an earlier blast injury. One that the hospital tried to resuscitate. As a general rule, if someone blows up the bomb belt they're wearing, you have body parts, and the hospital tries to figure out how to piece them back together into a corpse that can be identified.

2. Firing weapons is difficult with primitive dead man's switches, not with properly made ones.

3. They probably weren't planning on getting into a firefight with the police.

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I'm sure the police would as well...But when faced with someone that may have bombs on or to be thrown along with weapons I would think the safety of the officers and surrounding citizens should come first...don't you think.


Depends. As a general rule, though, a firefight isn't the best way to ensure the safety of anyone. Then again, I suppose it doesn't make much sense to consider surrendering over there, so it might be the lesser evil. A matter of priorities: getting payback vs. keeping people safe.

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Perhaps I am reading more into you statements then is there again but I get the idea you believe the police are out for blood and are determined to kill him even if they could capture him alive.


That's pretty much what I'm reading into the police's own statements to the Boston Globe.

It's not my idea, simply put.

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I evidently have more faith in the competence of the police in this very difficult manhunt where they safety of the populace and police is paramount.


I don't doubt that they are competent. I doubt they are calm and looking to make an arrest.

They've had plenty of practice, and have every incentive to succeed at however they want to play this, so don't take what I say the wrong way.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 3:29:08 PM   
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If one official's comments represent the standards of professionalism in an entire culture, you might wish to review your sampling techniques. Or perhaps your own presuppositions are clouding your usually keen perception.


I see I should've been more explicit.

I'm commenting on four main elements here. First, that someone in the force made a comment to the media of this nature, regardless of its veracity and the person's position. Second, that the newspaper did not critique this statement, implying that it is acceptable to them, which implies that it's acceptable to their readership (not the whole US). Third, that I haven't seen police or other officials critique the statement, or assure us that it's incorrect or at least out of place. Fourth, and this one is indeed on shaky grounds, the contents of the statement, which I hope you'll agree are somewhat unfortunate as far as professionalism goes.

Nowhere am I generalizing to the culture of the whole US, which is a huge and diverse country, with several cultures.

I hope that makes things clearer.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:24:31 PM   
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Also, the FBI has confirmed interviewing the older brother previously.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:35:27 PM   
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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:35:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss

The Iranian government has "condemned the bombings" as unnecessarily violent... When the people who invented terrorism (or at least made it a household word) are trying to distance themselves from you...you are pretty low. On another front, their uncle here in MD answered the question of "if he knew why.." With the response of " because they are idiots. I have always told my side of the family to stay away from them"

Not to be picky....but I thought it was the Irish that invented "modern" terrorism(please remember I am Irish myself,so no gratuitous flaming is necessary )certainly it was Michael Collins and the IRA that perfected the use of the bomb as an effective terrorism tool.
The IRA ,under Collins leadership, was the first organization to make use of the car bomb ......

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:36:42 PM   
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Boat owner called in that she saw her shed door was left open when it was previously left shut then noticed blood on her boat. FBI HRT is moving into position.

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:37:54 PM   
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Police have engaged a possible subject in Watertown.

Also, the FBI has confirmed interviewing the older brother previously.

At the behest of a foreign government.....which was interested in his ties to extremist organizations(just to add to your post level,not to be disagreeable in the least;-)

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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:39:34 PM   
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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:41:38 PM   
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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:42:06 PM   
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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:44:57 PM   
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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:48:57 PM   
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RE: Early Morning Chaos in Boston - 4/19/2013 4:51:03 PM   
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