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DomKen -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 6:41:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: animaltrainer69 @Domken have you ever really been tortured. No. Why would that be relevanbt? The US tortured KSM a lot and all he did ws lie. It was only after we stopped torturing him that he gave us anything useful.

animaltrainer69 -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 6:51:04 PM)
@thompsonx, i know it works

Aylee -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 7:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML FR It was suggested above and elsewhere that primacy should be given to first extracting information from the kid to be sure there were no other accomplices or other attacks in the works. Several avenues have been suggested: Widely discussed is to question him without offering him Miranda. The Supreme Court has opined that in the case of imminent danger it is is okay to question a suspect without Miranda. The ACLU is crying foul. It was also suggested, hopefully in jest, that he be tortured to secure the information. Some Senators have cried out to have him declared an enemy combatant and turned over for Military trial. Elsewhere, it was suggested he be turned over to the military temporarily. Not sure the advantage of that. Do any of these alternatives appeal to you? I do not understand how an American citizen committing a crime on home soil can be declared an enemy combatant. Is there some enabling law? I thought treason would cover that. Have the feds or whoever they use interrogate him for his contacts and what not. Nothing he says at this point can be used in a court. If he is NOT an enemy combatant (being linked to international terrorist groups would make him one), read him his Miranda rights and get him his lawyer. Information/intelligence first and then they can go for the confession and evidence.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:05:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I do not understand how an American citizen committing a crime on home soil can be declared an enemy combatant. Is there some enabling law? I thought treason would cover that. Well, that would be fine, IF they were American citizens. They aren't. Living here for a decade or more, doesn't make you a citizen, it makes you a resident. The brother had a conviction making him ineligible for citizenship, and there is nothing to indicate that the younger brother took the test within the year or so since turning 18. That's something people are continually managing to forget. THESE TWO ASSHOLES WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

slvemike4u -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:11:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: animaltrainer69 @Domken have you ever really been tortured. Have you? I have. It all started when I married Susan...........

kdsub -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:17:05 PM)
Linda here

DomKen -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:26:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I do not understand how an American citizen committing a crime on home soil can be declared an enemy combatant. Is there some enabling law? I thought treason would cover that. Well, that would be fine, IF they were American citizens. They aren't. Living here for a decade or more, doesn't make you a citizen, it makes you a resident. The brother had a conviction making him ineligible for citizenship, and there is nothing to indicate that the younger brother took the test within the year or so since turning 18. That's something people are continually managing to forget. THESE TWO ASSHOLES WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. The younger one is definitely a US citizen. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/report-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-in-custody-second-at-large/

slvemike4u -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Linda here A rose by any other name......

vincentML -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:33:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I do not understand how an American citizen committing a crime on home soil can be declared an enemy combatant. Is there some enabling law? I thought treason would cover that. Well, that would be fine, IF they were American citizens. They aren't. Living here for a decade or more, doesn't make you a citizen, it makes you a resident. The brother had a conviction making him ineligible for citizenship, and there is nothing to indicate that the younger brother took the test within the year or so since turning 18. That's something people are continually managing to forget. THESE TWO ASSHOLES WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev — who took the oath of citizenship on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 — was the captain of his high school wrestling team, drank and smoked pot with friends, quoted Jay-Z and Paul McCartney lyrics, wore his baseball cap backwards and loved Twitter. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-friends-family-shocked-developments-article-1.1322536#ixzz2R46ZX6f0 And if that doesn't float your boat have a look at the wording of the 14th Amendment US Constitution: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." We extend the same rights of due process and equal protection to residents and visitors as persons. Unless you know of cases where non-citizens were not given a trial by jury. So, mea culpa for using the word "citizen." It was misleading.

kdsub -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:43:06 PM)
quote: A rose by any other name...... Ah yes a rose she is…. She will draw you close with her fiery red beauty and heavenly fragrance…then draw blood with her thorns…oh how I loved her. Butch

LafayetteLady -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 8:56:16 PM)
I had not read the reports of him taking the citizenship test. I find it funny that they try to make a point of it being on the anniversary of 9/11, as though that was something this kid chose trying to attach significance. The tests are scheduled for 100s of people at a time. I do have to wonder if he took the test under false pretenses given it was a mere 6 months ago. I also think we should revoke that citizenship. I believe he should get a fair trial, although I doubt that is possible. Personally, I think this kid should answer all their questions when he is able, and then kill himself. There is no legitimate excuse for what he did, and I don't think we should have to pay the millions of dolllars for a trial (providing him with a lawyer, no less), then millions on the necessary appeals, all the while putting a roof over his head, feeding him three meals a day (at the cost of more millions), then the million it takes to execute him. He really wants to show remorse? Tell authorities everything you can about what you did, then kill yourself. Harsh? Yep. Do I care? Nope.

vincentML -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 9:02:14 PM)
While you express a very popular sentiment here is the text of the Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence His citizenship is irrelevent I think.

blacksword404 -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 9:02:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: A rose by any other name...... Ah yes a rose she is…. She will draw you close with her fiery red beauty and heavenly fragrance…then draw blood with her thorns…oh how I loved her. Butch Seems everybody knows at least one chick like that. "Roses" [Verse Two - Andre 3000] Caroline! See she's the reason for the word "bitch" I hope she's speeding on the way to the club Trying to hurry up to get to some Baller or singer or somebody like that And try to put on her makeup in the mirror And crash, crash, crash.. into a ditch! (Just Playing!) She needs a golden calculator to divide The time it takes to look inside and realize that Real guys go for real down to Mars girls, yeah! [Chorus] [Verse Three - Big Boi] Well she's got a hotty body, but her attitude is potty When I met her at a party she was hardly acting naughty I said "Shorty, would you call me?" She said "Pardon me, are you ballin'?" I said "Darling, you sound like a prostitute pausing" Oh so you're one them freaks, get geeked at the sight of an ATM receipt But game been peeped, dropping names she's weak Trickin' off this bitch is lost Must take me for a geek a quick way to eat A neat place sleep, a rent-a-car for a week, a trick for a treat Now go on the raw sex, my AIDS test is flawless Regardless, we don't want to get involved with all them lawyers And judges just to hold grudges in a courtroom I wanna see ya support bra not support you! [Chorus] Better come back down to Mars Girl, quit chasin' cars What happens when the dough get so low Bitch, you ain't that fine No way.. no way.. no way

tj444 -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 9:34:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady The brother had a conviction making him ineligible for citizenship, The outspoken uncle in an interview said he thought the fact that the older brother beat up his previous girlfriend and was charged (so no citizenship) might have been the reason for the bombing.. He has a wife/girlfriend & child and he basically abandons them to do something as senseless as this.. One of the injured people in the hospital described the older brother pretty accurately as he looked in his eyes just before the bomb went off, that helped the police zero in on the 2 brothers on the videos.. I hope the younger brother answers the interrogators questions freely and doesnt refuse to do that..

kdsub -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/20/2013 9:39:16 PM)
Lol talk about thread drift...we are bad and deserve to be severely disciplined. Butch

vincentML -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/21/2013 9:43:45 AM)
quote: He has a wife/girlfriend & child and he basically abandons them to do something as senseless as this.. If it is an irrational act than he is not really culpable, so we have to assume it made sense to him. No?

tj444 -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/21/2013 11:40:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: He has a wife/girlfriend & child and he basically abandons them to do something as senseless as this.. If it is an irrational act than he is not really culpable, so we have to assume it made sense to him. No? well,.. he might have just been extremely arrogant and thought he would never be (a) found out (b) caught (c) killed..

vincentML -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/21/2013 11:51:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: He has a wife/girlfriend & child and he basically abandons them to do something as senseless as this.. If it is an irrational act than he is not really culpable, so we have to assume it made sense to him. No? well,.. he might have just been extremely arrogant and thought he would never be (a) found out (b) caught (c) killed.. Probably all three. My only point was that what is irrational to victims may be rational to perpetrators. But then, people do hear alien voices in their heads.

Real0ne -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/21/2013 12:41:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven They were not affiliated with AQ or any other terrorist organization formally. That's not something that is known, Steve. The elder brother was out of the country for half a year, without any knowledge of what he was doing, or who he was interacting with. well the world is full of crazy twists, like whoda thought hitler spent a couple years in britain before the war? LOL very small world in certain circles.

Politesub53 -> RE: Justice in Boston (4/21/2013 4:49:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well the world is full of crazy twists, like whoda thought hitler spent a couple years in britain before the war? LOL very small world in certain circles. Except he didnt. He spent six months in Liverpool in 1912-1913. Hardly your exaggerated "couple of years"

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