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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Except he didnt. He spent six months in Liverpool in 1912-1913. Hardly your exaggerated "couple of years"

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Except he didnt. He spent six months in Liverpool in 1912-1913. Hardly your exaggerated "couple of years"

Shush. Inconvenient facts are impolite. [:D]

IWYW,
— Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I had not read the reports of him taking the citizenship test. I find it funny that they try to make a point of it being on the anniversary of 9/11, as though that was something this kid chose trying to attach significance. The tests are scheduled for 100s of people at a time.

I do have to wonder if he took the test under false pretenses given it was a mere 6 months ago. I also think we should revoke that citizenship.

I believe he should get a fair trial, although I doubt that is possible. Personally, I think this kid should answer all their questions when he is able, and then kill himself. There is no legitimate excuse for what he did, and I don't think we should have to pay the millions of dolllars for a trial (providing him with a lawyer, no less), then millions on the necessary appeals, all the while putting a roof over his head, feeding him three meals a day (at the cost of more millions), then the million it takes to execute him. He really wants to show remorse? Tell authorities everything you can about what you did, then kill yourself.

Harsh? Yep. Do I care? Nope.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I had not read the reports of him taking the citizenship test. I find it funny that they try to make a point of it being on the anniversary of 9/11, as though that was something this kid chose trying to attach significance. The tests are scheduled for 100s of people at a time.

I do have to wonder if he took the test under false pretenses given it was a mere 6 months ago. I also think we should revoke that citizenship.

I believe he should get a fair trial, although I doubt that is possible. Personally, I think this kid should answer all their questions when he is able, and then kill himself. There is no legitimate excuse for what he did, and I don't think we should have to pay the millions of dolllars for a trial (providing him with a lawyer, no less), then millions on the necessary appeals, all the while putting a roof over his head, feeding him three meals a day (at the cost of more millions), then the million it takes to execute him. He really wants to show remorse? Tell authorities everything you can about what you did, then kill yourself.

Harsh? Yep. Do I care? Nope.

An act of terrorism doesn't negate the rights of citizenship, I would disagree with him being an enemy combatant. He is a socially dissident criminal, nothing more, nothing less, and the rights all of those accused of heinous acts are no less important than a jay walker, a speeder, or any other accused of breaking the law.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Just six months ago,he swore to defend this country from all enemies....foreign and domestic.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Just six months ago,he swore to defend this country from all enemies....foreign and domestic.

Not in America he didn't.

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I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh but its not an inconvenient fact for me however ;)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Added....republicans, starting to abuse event/tragedy for themselves.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/21/tamerlan-tsarnaev-fbi_n_3127284.html

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
They were not affiliated with AQ or any other terrorist organization formally. So he's of course entitled to a fair trial. That said, with the evidence, I can't see anything except an insanity plea being a valid defense.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Just six months ago,he swore to defend this country from all enemies....foreign and domestic.

Not in America he didn't.

actually he did

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I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=facd6db8d7e37210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=dd7ffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

An American citizen accused of murder is entitled to a criminal trial before a jury of civilians. I offer the Aurora mass killer as an example. Also Tim McVeigh. The number of people killed and the motives of the alleged killer do not alter the Constitutional requirement for a fair trial in criminal court. Any talk of enemy combatent status is nonsense.

Your thoughts? Rebuttals?

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Yes agreed, and I feel he should not be denied Miranda rights either, but it is already too late for that.

I really feel sometimes that we, as Americans, fear and obsess about certain risks, yet happily ignore larger ones. Living in New York, site of 9/11, I am STILL more likely to die of purely domestic gun violence than I am from international terrorism. (In fact, truth be told, most Americans are more likely to die from overeating sugar than from terrorism.)

Does denying a 19-year old American their constitutional rights of the accused makes the world a "safer" place? Sadly, lowering ourselves to this level does NOT actually make the U.S. safer. It's just been a sad week between Boston, and the gun control issue. We really overreact to certain threats and do not take others seriously enough. And our ability to bend constitutional rights when it serves certain purposes, but not others, is really extraordinary.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The oath administered to all American military, and to new citizens, is to defend the *Constitution*... the words 'defend this country' don't appear in there anywhere.

Do you ever deal in facts?

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Its too bad Russia didnt explain to the FBI how they came to that conclusion.. they might have been able to do more if they had known..