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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 2:37:19 PM

TolerableCruelty

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Hathor,
with all due respect.... sometimes, you have nothing left to do but start over. You have to do something rash, something out of the ordinary.... something extreme.

If that means cutting off all your hair, then by all means... let that hair symbolize your relationship.... and let your life start over... fresh and new.. as the new hair grows in.

I've been there. Beth has been there. Obviously, there are a few of us on this thread that have been there.

Everyone deals with pain differently.... you should deal with that.

T.R.

P.S. - Riot.... same as the others before Me.... you know where beth and I are if you need to talk... whether its just to vent or for reinforcement. rock on, girl. rawr.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 2:37:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

The healing process has begun.

Good Girl.

T.R.

NO you are quite wrong she is spiralling out of control in a classic manic mode--right in front of her child--how lovely her decisions now?

Unless she gets to a therapist or speaks to someone she won't stop---this TR is DESTRUCTIVE behavior not CONSTRUCTIVE and this isn't reality TV folks.

Yes. This is someone is crisis. A cry for help. That's exactly how I see it and that's what worries me. I wonder if anyone here knows her personally...someone who might be able to provide intervention.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 2:42:04 PM

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Is it roadkill yet?

RiotGirl:

Get some help. This is the umpteenth time you have posted about this on/off relationship. IIRC, you are bipolar (or ?) and not always thinking clearly - I bet this is one of those times when your worst side might take over and create more drama when what you really need is to step back, gain some perspective, and start in a new direction when you are more refreshed. Tomorrow is another day and things will seem better. The day after that will be better still. And so on...just get your head together and the rest will follow naturally.

Many have already said it but it bears repeating: DO NOTHING RASH!

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 2:45:49 PM

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The truley sad part is that RG is so out of control manic at the moment that she probably isn't even reading the advice given her. She is doing nothing but working off pure impulse with no thought of what she is doing to herself, but more importantly to her child.
And this is the part that pisses me off.. the young one..Dear God, RG is an adult, albeit an impaired adult, but this is an innocent child who deserves to be the FIRST concern. The young ones emotional security should be the PRIMARY concern. Not cutting her fucking hair off and other little rituals to piss her Master off.
I am quite sure that in RG's mind she has had several * imaginary* conversations with her Master creating all the possible reactions and responses... which goes along with my previous post.... it will all be resolved very soon... and the cycle will continue.
My prayers are for RG young one.... as I said in a simialar thread months ago.... the young one is a victim of emotionally abusive adults. God help her.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 2:48:09 PM

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TR I do not disagree with you, but healing begins with rational, coherent constructive thought, we are dealing with here is an incoherent, irrational, bipolar who is in another manic swing, that changes the playing field dramatically--this spiral unless stopped will not end well--she cannot respond to any of the advice she has been given, her writings are incoherent, broken thought processes--we have no idea how much or what meds she has taken---now is not the time for platitudes, now is the time for some kind of crisis intervention ASAP.

Is there anyone who knows her, is close enough to get her help NOW?

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 2:52:10 PM

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Gee, is there anything else we can heap onto Riotgirl's plate at this time? Any further heavy judgments?

Hey, I agree that it would be great if Riotgirl could gain some perspective, and if thinking about her child helps her do that - great! But if not, I think the child will survive a rough patch when his/her mom was kinda of out of it.

Are you a mother? Were you always perfect and faultless in relation to your children? If not, then shut the fuck up.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 2:56:44 PM

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i look at this happy smiling face i have here. Asking me.. is that funny mom? Isnt that a pretty dress? Look Mom! Her little websites she loves so much. Her "hey mom" i want that. You know she wants everything. God she's got more toys then i can manage to get cleaned up. more shoes then me. i've tried to do best by her. We live in a really nice house, a pool in the back yard, all the animals she could possibly want in a really great neighborhood. I moved to an area where she can be surrounded by trees and nature - a good place for kids to live. i would say there is nothing she could want. Except i know that she wants everything. Ever toy she sees. i've spoiled her rotten at times. i do my best to give her what i cant seem to find for myself. Happiness. All i want for her, is to be happy, how ever she finds it.

You know i would think i should give her away. But then to who? There is no one in my family that is concievable. There is always adoption, but how can i be sure they will be good to her? She loves me so much. How could i hurt her like that? To leave her? To send her away? It would crush her.

i think all i can do now for her, is hide my tears and muster up all my strength and be strong for her. She deserves that. She deserves to hear - "hey things didnt go well with Daddy and mommy and him are breaking up" And to be there for her, whatever she feels. Being strong and pretending to be okay - so it seems like it isnt all that bad. Just another concidence of life. Maybe she'll be okay. God bless her soul, maybe she'll be okay

Hello Riotgirl,

A few words of encouragement......I've raised four sproglettes from the eldest, who's your age, to the youngest, at 12 yrs......In extreme times, they've had to witness their Mama making some *not terribly good* choices and had to deal with the results.

After the suicide of their father, they saw me drunk, a lot, they knew I took drugs, there were times they had to put me to bed, inebriated and helpless.

Years later, they don't *blame* me, they've learned a lot, experienced more than a lot of children their ages and here comes the important part......The thing they say, over and over, in poetry written for me, in cards they make me, in conversation is ......... You are always THERE.

No matter how badly you think you're doing, no matter how awful a mother you think you are , you are still the precious mother. Please try not to under-estimate how important it is to be there, hanging in. It means more than toys and a nice neighbourhood.

Being a parent is not about trying to make your children happy......it's about helping equip them to live......When your little girl is older, she'll be able to think, * My Mama was there for me, no matter how life treated her, no matter badly she coped at times*.

Sometimes being strong is just getting up each day and getting to the part where you go to bed again. I'll be truthful and say that I also feel that I haven't done well as a Mama but should I ignore the fact that my children tell me differently? Of course I *could* have done better, there is always room to do *better*...in hindsight.

Take heart, just a little bit....It's not bad to show your tears and pain, she will see that you hurt, you cry, you rail and in time, she'll see that you got past that. What an incredible inspiration that will be. You may not realise that she's absorbing those lessons and learning important life skills from your experiences together but she almost certainly will be.

I can't provide a father for my children either and all four of them have a hole that will not be filled but we ALL have holes of some sort, just different shaped ones.

If you look at the things you've tried to give your child, with your best intentions you may see that there are no *perfect* parents.....most are adequate.

With regards, agirl

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 3:17:19 PM

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Are you a mother? Were you always perfect and faultless in relation to your children? If not, then shut the fuck up.

No, Chaingang, I am not a mother.. but I was once a child.
I am looking at this thru a childs eyes. Sure, she will survive, but if your definition of raising a child is for he or she to merely survive, than you and I will have to agree to disagree.
MistressHathor has said it..and if it isn't apparent in RG's postings... she is in crisis. She is not in control of herself, let alone in control or even in tune to the needs of her child.
I doubt it, but maybe I am personalizing this a bit... just this very morning: my best friends neice with a long history of bipolar disorder and in a similar vanilla version of RGs relationship took a knife to her hubby < not the little ones father> in a manic rage, infront of her daughter, who watched mama be cuffed and taken away. That was right before DSS came and took the little one to Foster care.
This is the culmination of a woman who has not gotten the help she needs, nor taken personalresponsiblity for her problems. She got lots of advice from family friends and co workers. She did not listen to a single one of them
I am in no way suggesting that RG is going to stab some one or anything of that nature. I am saying, a bipolar person in a manic rage is unpredictable, and if there is a little one in the picture, the little one suffers.

I am not a mother because I cannot have children, it was not a choice for me. If I had been one, of course I would have made mistakes. I hope that if I were as unwell as RG is at the moment, some one would come and take my child for a few days or weeks until I got on the road to recovery. < Some one meaning: family, friends, etc>

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 3:24:42 PM

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agirl, I think that what you said was absolutely perfect.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 3:26:12 PM

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What do most people do to hysterical people? You slap them.

I have a sister who is a Physician's Assistant in an inner city emergency room, my brother and his wife are doctors (Cardiologist and Infectious Disease Specialist respectively), and my sister and stepfather are lawyers. For the first two years of my sister's legal career she handled death row appeals. Now ALL of these people and their collegues deal with hysterical people on a daily basis and they do not go around slapping people. Just who on earth are YOU hanging out with?

uhmmm.... .. and did you see me "physically" slap her?? I dont think so.. sheesh

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 3:32:04 PM

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Jessie,

Of course I did not witness you slapping anyone. Nor did I think that what you were doing was the cyber equivalent of slapping. I was commenting on what you said that "most people do" when dealing with hysterical people. I thought that it was ridiculous. Hysterical people are only slapped in the movies. Sheesh right back at you.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 3:40:25 PM

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I think you've got the venting part down.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 3:58:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

quote:

ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

The healing process has begun.

Good Girl.

T.R.

NO you are quite wrong she is spiralling out of control in a classic manic mode--right in front of her child--how lovely her decisions now?

Unless she gets to a therapist or speaks to someone she won't stop---this TR is DESTRUCTIVE behavior not CONSTRUCTIVE and this isn't reality TV folks.

Shes doing exactly what she needs to do right now. That is, in fact, survival. She is self-preserving. Maybe thats enough for tonight.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 4:09:02 PM

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Shes doing exactly what she needs to do right now. That is, in fact, survival. She is self-preserving. Maybe thats enough for tonight.

What she needs to do is get the hell away from here until she can get her trainwreck of a life back in order. All of this needs to take a back seat to getting herself right. Focus on herself and her daughter instead of sharing the hourly play by play with the masses here brfore that poor kid ends up in the system with more baggage than Samsonite.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 4:20:27 PM

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I agree.........now it's only more fuel added to the fire with each post. Personally, i would have shut this thread down a long time ago. It needs to be taken to e-mail.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 4:26:44 PM

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What she needs to do is get the hell away from here until she can get her trainwreck of a life back in order. All of this needs to take a back seat to getting herself right. Focus on herself and her daughter instead of sharing the hourly play by play with the masses here brfore that poor kid ends up in the system with more baggage than Samsonite.

~stef

Why should she stop now? She's fed a feeding frenzy 6 pages long. How wrong can things possibly be if she can get on the computer and give the whole world an hourly play by play? It's kind of like those thread whre some internet person dies. . .and some "helpful friend" is able to give us ALL the gory details of what is going on.

And stopping now would deprive the masses of the Jerry Springer-esque circus show.

P

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 4:33:14 PM

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It's far worse than six pages worth. To further abuse the train metaphor; how many months have we been treated to a view of this train hurtling down the track, ever closer to the sign that says "BRIDGE OUT!"? Should it be any surprise to finally see it crash through that sign and arc gracefully off the last good length of track towards the rushing water in the gorge below?

I just hope the train doesn't land on her daughter.

~stef

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 4:40:12 PM

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What *would* make this more interesting is if this thread can incorporate some of the more "common" themes of the collarme.com forums. Something like:

My master left me. . .
But the jokes on him. . .
I'm into financial domination. . .
His bank account is now empty. . .

Now I need to know how to find a mistress. . .
they are so elusive. . .
please, please someone tell me. . .
I don't wanna fuck it up. . .

So I wrote to this mistress. . .
and she didn't reply. . .
oh why, oh why. . .
Do people not resopond to emails?

Now that I'm vunerable. . .
I went into chat. . .
Just for some BDSM small talk. . .
But some master had me cyber gang raped

So now all my other problems are dwarfed. . .
Because of my cyber rape. . .
I think the best thing for me. . .
Is to walk away from the computer and sort shit out.

P

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 4:42:13 PM

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What she needs to do is get the hell away from here until she can get her trainwreck of a life back in order. All of this needs to take a back seat to getting herself right. Focus on herself and her daughter instead of sharing the hourly play by play with the masses here brfore that poor kid ends up in the system with more baggage than Samsonite.

~stef

Why should she stop now? She's fed a feeding frenzy 6 pages long. How wrong can things possibly be if she can get on the computer and give the whole world an hourly play by play? It's kind of like those thread whre some internet person dies. . .and some "helpful friend" is able to give us ALL the gory details of what is going on.

And stopping now would deprive the masses of the Jerry Springer-esque circus show.

P

Sometimes it is best to err on the side of caution.

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RE: Played - to unconcievable depths - 6/24/2006 4:54:59 PM

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Rg:

Are you married to this man? And where is he right now,

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