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RE: Seperation church and state - 4/28/2013 1:11:02 PM   
Powergamz1


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Running away every time you are called on your logical fallacies proves nothing.

You know as well as anyone else that those words appear in the same place as the words 'Miranda warning', 'exclusionary rule', 'police', 'Air Force', 'Alaska', 'electronic media', 'integrated schools', etc.

Art III, sec. 2.


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In other words you are ignoring any and all evidence that proves you wrong. Snore.



Two in less than 24 hours; there truly IS a God!

No, Power, I was waiting for someone to show me where the phrase appeared in the constitution which was what I asked. No one has been able to do that.

Your snide little post has sent you were the passive-agressive went. We're done here, "sir".




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RE: Seperation church and state - 4/29/2013 4:43:24 PM   
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Could you, please, show me where "seperation of church and state" appears in our constitution?


Pull a dollar bill out of your wallet. It says it right there.

Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind.

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RE: Seperation church and state - 4/29/2013 6:56:40 PM   
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Could you, please, show me where "seperation of church and state" appears in our constitution?


Pull a dollar bill out of your wallet. It says it right there.

Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind.


I hope you realize those words weren't on our money until well after WWII as a result of the McCarthy 'red scare'.
That was about the same time the words "Under God were added to the Pledge of Allegiance.

Our country got along famously for the better part of 200 years without them.

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RE: Seperation church and state - 4/30/2013 6:19:27 AM   
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It's not that simple:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx
The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania...

...The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary's approval.

The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908.

A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.


Our country has a long running history of religious groups using their larger numbers to co-opt government into oppressing smaller religious groups. That's why separation of church and state exists, it's meant to protect the religious from the religious. That's also why separation of church and state all too often doesn't get followed, because their are still large religious groups looking to use their numbers to co-opt government into inflicting their religious positions on the rest of us.

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