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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/1/2013 1:57:13 PM   
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on fetlife

There is nothing on the email page. What am I supposed to do, look them up and report their profile for something that happened in email?


For reporting the soliciting stuff you could yeah, it just says "report user" rather than profile so I imagine it would still fall under the same button, one extra click away. Or use the other e-mail option someone else suggested. Or just don't of course.

I know for spam they've got some kind of repeat text search thing, it regularly catches those posting events and e-mailing invites out and blocks them from posting/e-mailing for a few hours, if they keep trying I guess it would flag them on their systems.

It's another free kink website, so doesn't bother me so much tbh

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/2/2013 3:37:10 PM   
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What exactly are the laws on this kind of thing in India?Even if someone did report them,what exactly would the police do over there?

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/2/2013 11:00:47 PM   
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^ Charles, you missed the point. "Report them" as in report them to the web site management so they get banned and stop spamming the members with scams and/or etc. The police have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, the guy who programed their Ruby on Rails framework over at FetLife either didn't give a shit or just didn't have the foresight to give us an easy way to turn in and report a scammer's email. I presume it was John Baku the designer since he is the Ruby on Rails guru over there.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 4:22:48 AM   
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I doubt they would give a shit. Easiest option is to block the person or don't even bother replying. I get more troll messages on here than Fet. Fetlife is not geared as a dating site. it's pretty much how they describe it, a kinky facebook. Join groups that interest you, join in on discussions and talk to people that have similar interests. There is a good amount of people that go on Fetlife for networking, events, social get togethers, munches and the likes. It really comes down to what you expect out of a site and what you want.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 7:22:00 AM   
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JFC, I would have just rolled my eyes and deleted that stupid email. I get crazy similar emails at times. They are so off the wall they don't even deserve a response, and it's bad enough they wasted my eye ball time. It's just Noise to filter out. There's a lot or more than enough noise on the internet in general.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 7:33:50 AM   
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I doubt they would give a shit. Easiest option is to block the person or don't even bother replying. I get more troll messages on here than Fet. Fetlife is not geared as a dating site. it's pretty much how they describe it, a kinky facebook. Join groups that interest you, join in on discussions and talk to people that have similar interests. There is a good amount of people that go on Fetlife for networking, events, social get togethers, munches and the likes. It really comes down to what you expect out of a site and what you want.

Yup . . . I think that sums up the management attitude at Fet . . . they don't give a shit. It has all the finesse of a porndog yahoo group nowadays.

Ya' know, at one time yahoo was cool. Sincere leather groups sprung up online there. But like anything that gathers a following, as soon as it catches on, the vultures swoop in to capitalize on it. Because of a lack of management, Yahoo is intolerable now... it's like AFF on steroids and stuffed to the brim with so many scammers, it isn't worth the time to explore.

It is the lack of management that lets membership run amok forming cliques which in turn subdivides the appeal. Then the scammers step in. Soon you lose what attracted everyone in the first place. CollarMe policies are designed to stop that and moderators try their best to enforce it. Just look at how CM tries to protect the constant flow of newcommers, rules are clearly posted, warnings in the email about scams and report buttons everywhere. Report a post, a photo or an email with ease. That is a good example of self governed moderation . . . membership has the ability to call management to make a judgement call almost anywhere around here and CM is better place for it.

That is the reason I am so negative about all the hookers posing as Findoms and posting bullshit threads on CollarMe forums to boost up their business. It's a clearly defined cycle and you can tell when rent is due around here . . . the Findoms make their monthly posts about "What size strap on is best for sissies" or "should his buttplug be red or black" and other bullshit fake topics like that. Hey, I have nothing against hookers and I build webs for the adult industry . . . I just hate someone so cheap they try to scam business off a free service site. If you make money advertizing on CollarMe, you should pay for the adverts. I hate being spammed by faker's adverts disguised as threads as much as I hate being spammed with fake email. It's fucking annoying. But the fake Findom overpopulation is about the only gripe I have about CM and I can usually spot those threads by their titles.

If you are old enough, you may remember that at one time bondage.com was actually nice. Many sincere people hung out and posted there. Now it is a dead dinosaur, a lonely place with no traffic or content. I predict the same for FetLife if they do not take an interest in moderating the scammers and diffusing the cliques. The self appointed newbees posing as experienced that start and control their own BDSM groups is a load of horseshit. A newbee can't tell if the group leader is a horny housewife or a snert. And the group leader has the power to kick anyone with experience or delete what has been said. It is not free speech over there . . . it is open season for posers to start groups. There isn't even a post count meter, as worthless as they are . . . it is something. How is a newbee supposed to glom anything of value at FetLife?

I mean the social networking software has appeal if you truly care that Jane liked Dick's picture or you want to jump in on an old school friend's thread to post mutual admirations and pat each other on the back. Personally, I don't give a shit, so I choke on the pollution over there faster than many of you will. I don't need you to like me, I don't want to join your clique or have you join mine and my friends and I already know what we think of each other. I have seen your threads, you old school dogs that have posts/groups on FetLife . . . you never see me post in them. What am I supposed to say, "yup you're right"? You got enough people patting you on the back already. You don't need my hand back there too, nor do I need yours.

Pretend a website is like a real life social meeting over dinner. Take a bunch of old leather fucks like me and stick us at a table . . . we don't have much to say about leather that we don't already know. Sure there will be a good story or two but for 90% of the conversation we are more likely to talk about the food. Now take the same group and mix us in with a bunch of newbees at a meet & greet munch. Now there are tons of questions and lots of stories. So these BDSM forum systems are mostly for the benefit of newcomers . . . sure the old school guys will exchange an idea or two, but most of it is for the 200,000 new members every month here at CollarMe that just read these forums and don't post on them.

If management at FetLife "doesn't give a shit", the scammers will overrun the place and newbees will stop coming. Eventually like bondage.com, it will go though the growth and death cycle of a web site due to lack of management. If it died tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. It doesn't do anything that FaceBook doesn't. Why not use FaceBook instead, it's better software and better management?

So here we are on page 3 at CollarMe and I still can't find a fucking report spam email button in the email framework at FetLife. Thanks guys, glad to know it wasn't my oversight and that I am not the only one that gets the feeling . . . "they just don't give a shit" over there.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 8:08:42 AM   
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The caretakers respond to all emails that go to [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected].

Caretakers .... [email protected].

Whether they'll respond let alone take any action is another matter, but it's a starting point if you're interested.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 8:33:25 AM   
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^ Charles, you missed the point. "Report them" as in report them to the web site management so they get banned and stop spamming the members with scams and/or etc. The police have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, the guy who programed their Ruby on Rails framework over at FetLife either didn't give a shit or just didn't have the foresight to give us an easy way to turn in and report a scammer's email. I presume it was John Baku the designer since he is the Ruby on Rails guru over there.



Ruby on Rails? (this alone appears to my inner Geek)... JFC I can't believe you actually know this kind of stuff RS. Anyways, yeah.. it probably was not part of the project specs when designing FetLife. However, it's a feature which can be added. The downside is that many people don't factor this Shit into "What If" use cases. UX user experience is important, and one has to be able to step into the shoes of being an End User of a website, application or software in general to relate. Personally, I use myself and think about other people when building shit like this. I also mention issues things like this to whoever I am building a site or application for when I spot them.

Seriously, I find it hard to believe that such a useful feature was not, or has never been thought about for being included there. I'm assuming Fetlife has a decent budget considering how established they are. (Thinking to myself for a moment)... I do have some issues with the UI/UX there to begin with... one of the main reasons I don't often go there and more less abandoned use of the account I set up a long time ago.

It's hard saying is John Baku the designer is responsible for this or it.... from my experience the stakeholder of a project contribute very much to how screwed up a project can actually become. They often prove time and time again just how bad they are at understanding UI/UX and features the end users desires, wants and needs.



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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 8:55:43 AM   
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ETA: this reply is to evesgrden who posted some Fet email addresses (and added a sentence for clarity).

You see, that is the point... to look up the caretakers email you mention, you have to find a footer where the staff links are. Guess what, there is no footer on your default FetLife page because it is the endless feed of what your friends did and there is no way to get to the bottom. So only the very saavy who can do all this shit can report an email. Hell, the CollarMe forums give better FetLife support than FetLife does! Many of you prolly have never seen the footer at Fet.

1. open a new browser window/tab to save the original FetLife email widow for copying later
2. navigate in the new window to yet another page, then scroll all the way to the bottom of that page that doesn't have a feed so they can find a footer . . .
3. find the staff links and open that in the new window . . .
4. copy caretaker email address ([email protected]) . . .
5. navigate out of FetLife to your email service or program . . .
6. logon to your email service and paste [email protected] into recipient . . .
7. go to the Microsoft menu and open a word processor . . .
8. switch to the browser and change to the tab with original spam email browser page and copy it . . .
9. go back to the word processor and paste said email, and write a letter. Then copy all that . . .
10. go back to your email service and paste the letter with a copy of the spam email and send it to the caretaker . . .

. . . . . . holy jesus in a diaper, how many programs and open browser windows does it take to report a spam email at FetLife?

When I have to "serve the software in stead of the software serving me" it is badly written. And credit where credit is due, John Baku the designer of FetLife, who is a Ruby on Rails fanboy felt that is the way he would handle spam. There isn't an email program on Earth nowadays that doesn't have an email spam button to report it... except FetLife.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 9:45:17 AM   
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The reason most likely you don't find a lot of support stuff on FetLife is because FetLife was originally set up because they got tired of all the rules and such here at CM. They felt restricted. Their attitude is more along the lines of do what you want. You're an adult. Personally, I kinda like that. I just don't like fet's setup there. It's just too messy to navigate. Being that I build sites and such, their's is one of the worst I've ever seen. It just makes me cringe everytime I go there.


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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 9:48:45 AM   
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Certain group moderators there are hyper-PC as regards to some of my comments, so it isn't quite a let-it-all-hang-out (and no, I didn't go all That Guy there). I like it, littlewonder is right, it does have some advantages. I like CC's layout because it's familiar to me from another board I used to go on.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 9:55:37 AM   
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That might be how it is there now but it's not why it was created in the first place. They are now just figuring out why rules are needed.


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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/4/2013 5:03:06 PM   
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I presume it was John Baku the designer since he is the Ruby on Rails guru over there.


Yup . . . I think that sums up the management attitude at Fet . . . they don't give a shit. It has all the finesse of a porndog yahoo group nowadays.



Your obviously in the software industry ... as I am ... and my thoughts are similar.

Sorry, I can't help with reporting Scams there though; I don't know how ...

And I hate the site ...

But enjoy your comparison to yahoo, earlier on the thread ...

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/8/2013 8:40:37 PM   
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Oh ... this is too easy.
We get enough torture calling Dell or HP.

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WTF? Were you supposed to travel to India, or do online?



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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/8/2013 11:11:16 PM   
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Fast reply......

RS, when I have a problem on Fet, I just talk to one of the paid staff with whom I am acquainted. As you are well aware, I'm kind of a twit about the computer thing.

If you would like, I'd be more than happy to mention this issue with those that I know.


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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/9/2013 8:30:12 AM   
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LP,

I don't care about the email scammer. I care that I couldn't report an email scammer. The issue is the Fet email window design. Currently no way to report an email at FetLife. You have to do these 10 things:

1. open a new browser window/tab to save the original FetLife email widow for copying later
2. navigate in the new window to yet another page, then scroll all the way to the bottom of that page that doesn't have a feed so they can find a footer . . .
3. find the staff links and open that in the new window . . .
4. copy caretaker email address (caretakers****fetlife.com) . . .
5. navigate out of FetLife to your email service or program . . .
6. logon to your email service and paste caretakers****fetlife.com into recipient . . .
7. go to the Microsoft menu and open a word processor . . .
8. switch to the browser and change to the tab with original spam email browser page and copy it . . .
9. go back to the word processor and paste said email, and write a letter. Then copy all that . . .
10. go back to your email service and paste the letter with a copy of the spam email and send it to the caretaker . . .

There is no 'report' button in the email window frame. What were they thinking??? Haven't they seen the other other sites in their category that failed because of robots and scammers ruining the UX (user experience)? If they added a report button under their 'block user' button a copy of the email could be sent to management without going through those 10 steps. This would be a major improvement to their UI and it would improve the user experience (UX) because it would weed out scammers. Do they not want to weed out scammers? So I looked into it . . . how could a MAJOR design flaw like that exist?

Sure, they limit mail output and it stops the mass mail robots from sending large batches. But the other email scams still run full force. Of course FetLife's management doesn't have to act on it because it has no idea their membership is getting pummeled with spam . . . because there is no way for membership to send a spam report. That is the single most ridiculous management and design oversight I have seen in many years . . . or is it?

I am not saying that FetLIfe is a scam, with fake traffic that dupes naive advertisers by "fluffing" their global ranking numbers. But seriously, if you were a US based advertiser and saw the raw FetLife traffic report data, you would see top rank was from scam central (South Africa) . . . meaning much of their traffic rank is from illegitimate scammer traffic?

FetLife is the 634 the most popular site in South Africa
FetLife is the 933 most popular site in the United States

Seriously, digest that for a minute. Now that you have my perspectives and information . . . why do you think a web site supposedly designed around interpersonal social networking and interpersonal communications would leave off one of the most important user experience enhancement tools . . . a report spam button? What do you think:

1) Is FetLife screwing over your user experience because they are idiots and can't design a site worth a shit?
or
2) They are actually very smart and screwing over your user experience to keep their numbers up by polluting it with scammers by preventing you from reporting them?

I can tell you what site analytic reports say, FetLilfe's dislikes are:
Hard to navigate
Poor customer support

Comments:
Half of the profiles are blank or third world nation thief's trying to cheat you out of your money.
I went away for the weekend and when I got home there was over 100 emails in my inbox with USELESS mail from the site.
. . . when I complained to their support people I received no help

^ sound familiar? Sorta' goes along with that "they don't give a shit" consensus this thread reflects.


Oooops . . . phone rang, posted before finishing with LP.

Dear LP,

So this is my view. Feel free to share this link if you know someone over at FetLife that truly cares. Invite them to this thread. Hell, get John Baku over here to defend his design choices or at least cop to what Whiplashsmile4 said by blaming it on someone else. If FetLife has a good core, it is a shame they are blind to feedback from their membership and have no clue about how much spam and BS that site is loaded with . . . but I sincerely suspect that is their intention. That is what it takes to become the next AFF. It's a great scam . . . they profess to be a social network but do not use good social network software (like a report button) or design. . . . seriously.

I hope someone from FetLife will come over here (because their forums suck and the color scheme causes eye fatigue). Show me how I am wrong and that they are sincere about the user experience. I can design . . . hell, I bet most CollarMe members are familiar enough with social software and BBS (forums) that anyone here can design a better UI before this thread hits page 5!

So that is my very valid complaint and somewhat ill-founded but undeniable suspicions about FetLife.

Best wishes,
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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/9/2013 10:13:01 AM   
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Good Morning Kalon Eric,

First, I want to thank you for inspiring Me to do some research. Since the inception of this thread, I've been poking around on Fet more than I normally would. I think your complaint is valid, from what I've found.

Now, I don't know John Baku and I have no reason to believe, or disbelieve, his design was intended to be a PITA. That's more for folks like you who understand the ins and outs of writing code and such.

In a month's time, I'll be getting to spend some quality time with a member of the paid staff. I'll be mentioning this thread while I'm rubbing elbows. Good guy, P. I know from personal experience that it's not just a paycheck to him.


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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/11/2013 12:51:47 PM   
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It does sound a bit funny to me, I'd take it with a pinch of salt, I think she must be having a laugh, but, I'd report it anyway.

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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/11/2013 3:04:55 PM   
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RE: -=idiots, non consensual torture & FetLife=- - 5/13/2013 1:07:44 AM   
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Lol, times is hard, we're gonna be back in the Eighties again if this keeps up, the infomercial economy.

With a name like that, it might be net nanny trolling you, what with that bullshit in Cleveland.

Otherwise that's one no-game bitch.

Nobody's said anything to me over there I thought needed reporting, but, yeah, you should definitely have that option on the email page, pretty sure there's one on the cmail page here if I'm not mistaken.

On the other hand people report all kinds of nit picky shit too, and you have pay people to slog through it all.

The forums are moderated by the forum creators, so there's a kind of interesting diversity to that aspect of it, I like the randomness, but with so many forums, they are often overcome by inertia, and I end up mostly perving on profiles while surfing for unlikely forums - there was one about torturing/posing Barbie dolls for while there, lol.





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