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RE: Wrong reaction to Daughter coming out? - 5/3/2013 3:43:58 AM   
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I agree dc, that we aren't there yet. But the OP also doesn't indicate her daughter was telling her and showed signs of needing support, talking about it or anything else. Again, we parents aren't mind readers.

I can understand your feelings about what your mother said, but again, did she say that and simply walk away, or did she say that and wait for the next thing you had to say, hug you, tell you she loved you still, etc.?

In the OP's case, given the immediate and extended family's sexuality and it not being a secret, expecting some big reaction simply doesn't fit. I mean the daughter knows that her mother is bisexual, so she also should be able to figure out that her sexuality wasn't going to be some kind of "OMG!" moment.

I guess there is also that I'm looking at this from a parent's perspective. Parents who are open about their sexuality, and/or who openly express their views on homosexuality, ie supporting gay marriage/rights, etc., aren't necessarily going to have the big OMG moment.

Also, as you may have surmised by your mother's reaction, very often parents have an inking about it, so the big announcement is more a confirmation of what they thought, and not a big deal.

Then of course, you have the other two posters who kids seem to be a bit confused period. "Thinking like a man" would never equate to GID, as I'm sure you know. So either those children are confused, or they are looking to shock parents.

I can honestly say if my son came to me and told me he was gay, the OMG moment would occur. But he also has no doubt that I would be accepting of him either way. The OMG would be more based on his history with girls and my having a granddaughter. Either way, it still wouldn't matter to me, and yes, I do believe and hope that we get there someday very soon.

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RE: Wrong reaction to Daughter coming out? - 5/3/2013 9:38:27 PM   
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If my daughter told me she was bi, it wouldn't even be a big deal to me. I have already assumed she is or she likes to do it for shock value. I even asked her one time. She denied it but her life tells me a different story. So if she told me I'd just tell her I already knew. No big deal. Yeah, she'd probably do the same thing...yell and scream and want to be babied for it but being I already knew or don't care, what's there to baby? It's just a confirmation.

Yeah, having had a teenage daughter, most of their teenage years will come and go and when they grow up they'll just either laugh it off because they have grown up and realize it's not important anymore or they will continue down the road of self pity which has zilch to do with you as a parent and everything to do with them.




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RE: Wrong reaction to Daughter coming out? - 5/4/2013 8:16:29 AM   
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quote:

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I realize this is probably not going to be a popular opinion, but this isn't a reason to "celebrate." Now before everyone gets their panties in a wad, I don't think there is anything wrong with her being a lesbian. But if your kid came home and said, "I'm straight," you aren't going to fire up the grill and call the family for a party.

I see your point, LL, and I hope/pray that one day coming out will be that prosaic.

But I don't think we're quite there yet. Coming out still takes courage, and sharing one's authentic self with someone is, I think, a significant gift of trust. The daughter may be feeling that her gift wasn't appreciated.


DC, the thing is, you are not thinking like a teenage girl.

It's usually less about what you describe and more about the theatrics and histrionics. Knowing me as well as she does, my daughter often marvels that she was allowed to live through her teens and twenties.

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RE: Wrong reaction to Daughter coming out? - 5/4/2013 8:40:19 AM   
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DC, the thing is, you are not thinking like a teenage girl.

Well, there you have me, LaT.

My teen years are long gone.

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RE: Wrong reaction to Daughter coming out? - 5/4/2013 9:07:31 AM   
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Even with 'open minded parents' it can be tough to come out, there are a lot of people, for example, who claim to be okay with gays, with sexuality, who when it is their own kid freak out, so it can be tough to come out even with liberal parents as in the OP's case. I know of parents who were big on racism/racial inequality, who freaked out when their kids were dating someone of a different race, as another example. It isn't so much racism, as realizing the difference that makes, the different path the child will face, and even with same sex marriage moving along to the point where even the most ardent haters are going to have to throw in the towel at some point, it is still different and IMO that is what can make it hard.

I don't think celebration is a term, on that I agree with LL, I wouldn't celebrate it any more then if/when my son is dating. As much as we have told my son it is okay whatever he is, grown up around some pretty weird situations, met a lot of different people, I would tell him I was glad he could talk to us, that he wasn't afraid, that he knew we would love him and support him (put it this way,he is a serious music student, and that is literally diving off the deep end with support, after that, being different otherwise might not be such a big thing *lol*).

If the OP's D is miffed by the reaction, I agree, it is mostly teen theatrics at work. Based on my own experience with my S (and having heard from folks with daughters, it can be much worse), sometimes they create elaborate fantasies about what will happen, how they will be the poor kid telling their parents they are gay or whatever, how they will have to fight them and bring them around and be the hero in their own drama (and I may be at the age of early senility, but I do remember that as a teenager), and the OP's response kind of blew that fantasy scenario apart..self pitying, feeling like no one understands them, is part of the teen angst parents know and love (In one of the Harry Potter books, a ghost, I believe a painting of some ex head of Slytherin, gives Harry a whole long, sneering monolog when Harry is feeling sorry for himself, great scene) and the kids play out. I am no child psychologist, but from what I read in books years ago, it is part of the kid differentiating themselves and breaking away from the parents:).

Plus in some ways there can be a certain 'coolness' to coming out as gay or chic around it in some quarters in high school (I suspect it is not all or even a lot of places, but have heard of it locally), and maybe there is a little of that, too.

I wouldn't feel guilty, I would simply tell her if I was her parent I was proud of her for being able to come to me with it, that I understand it still took a lot of courage even knowing I was liberal, and told her whatever she wanted to do I was behind her and that if she needed anything, she could always talk to me about it.


I came to grips with my gender stuff well into adulthood and my parents were long gone, but as a teen, when I started realizing I was different, I did have thoughts of telling my parents or my sister, but I never had the courage (and probably rightfully so, I had very liberal parents, but I don't think their reaction would have been all that great, either, my mom would tell me I was mentally masturbating, my dad would prob tell me I didn't know what I was, plus he was sort of a misogynist), but I played those dramas out with me as hero/heroine....

As far as GID, I would be careful about using that term. "Thinking like a man", being a kind of androgynous/butch type of woman, or 'thinking like a woman' are more about gender roles then identity. A man who is intuitive , who uses instincts, is more of a conciliator (usually assigned as something women tend to do) may be 'thinking like a woman' but is otherwise perfectly happy as a man; a woman who is the logical type, who insists on numbers and facts, won't make decisions without them, who is all about competition between individual performers, things assume to be in the 'male' domain may be happily a female. My mom was kind of masculine in many ways, but she was happy to be a woman (least I think so) ....as are many butch appearing women *shrug*. Gender identity is very weird, there are people who id as neither, people who id as some sort of mix, and the binary system may not work well for a lot of people...but those in the middle like that are relatively rare. GID to me means when someone looks at themself in the mirror and feels a disconnect between the way their body is, their feelings, and what they think it should be, and it is very, very tough to get to the point where GID is the ultimate answer. I don't know if there is a term about gender role disorder, where someone is happy with their sex and gender identity but not the way they are expected to play it out (feminist friend of mine would tell me "yeah, most women until the women's rights movement", which I would answer is true of men as well, I look back at the Mad Men era and want to puke for both men and women). GID comes about when you know what you are is wrong and need to figure out how to make yourself feel comfortable with yourself, and that isn't easy.

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