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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

I would never trust my valuables to any jewelry store (or bank) that was incompetent enough to allow any outsiders except cops to bring guns inside with them, because whoever set up their LP was a freaking moron.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

My money, my right to choose how to spend it. Politics makes a different. For the longest time Pink Pistols had a list of anti-gun companies that financed anti-gunners, and so I refused to do business with anyone on that list. Anytime I learn a company is anti-gun I tell my buddies and sometimes we'll mail out letters to them letting them know we won't be patronizing their businesses or products. A big jewelry chain around here doesn't allow law abiding folks to carry concealed weapons on there premises.I picked up a friend who worked there and the manager and I got to talking. Once the manager picked up that I have a great deal of money (I showed them my latest bank balance at the time and it had five figures to the left of decimal point) he started trying to turn me on to what deals they had on jewelry and I politely explained I don't do business with anti-American companies.

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

My money, my right to choose how to spend it. Politics makes a different. For the longest time Pink Pistols had a list of anti-gun companies that financed anti-gunners, and so I refused to do business with anyone on that list. Anytime I learn a company is anti-gun I tell my buddies and sometimes we'll mail out letters to them letting them know we won't be patronizing their businesses or products. A big jewelry chain around here doesn't allow law abiding folks to carry concealed weapons on there premises.I picked up a friend who worked there and the manager and I got to talking. Once the manager picked up that I have a great deal of money (I showed them my latest bank balance at the time and it had five figures to the left of decimal point) he started trying to turn me on to what deals they had on jewelry and I politely explained I don't do business with anti-American companies.

Are you kidding? I hope you're fucking kidding.

What jewelry store - or any store other than a place that actually sells guns - would allow someone who's not a law enforcement officer to carry a gun in their premesis? If someone came by our business with a gun, I'd call 911, not do business with them. I think any rational business owner would do the same. I don't need some crazy fucker with a gun giving me a heart attack and scaring off our paying members.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic


Your business, your right to choose, and then it's my right to choose not to spend my money at your business. And then tell everyone I know, and the internet, that you are against lawful concealed carry of firearms and let them decide. I live in Florida, concealed carry is legal. And concealed means "concealed." I carry concealed anywhere that's not a bank, courthouse, or hospital and I rarely go to hospitals. I went jogging today and I had a Model 40 S&W .38 special in concealed holster. I went out grocery shopping later and i had Glock 23 in my left jeans pocket behind my fat leather wallet. I've never once been called out for carrying and I used to carry a Brazilian Contract Colt 1917 that came to me a wreck with a bent barrel at the three inch mark, that I nickel plated and shortened the barrel to two inches, dehorned the hammer, I left the trigger guard, no need to Fitz it. It was a big pistol that I carried in a shoulder holster or back carry (made my own custom leather flat pack carry with padding).

Grocery stores in Florida let people carry guns so long as they are concealed, gas stations, movie theaters, restaraunts, gyms, bookstores (I get a Latee three to four times a week at a nearby bookstore and I always have at least one gun on my person).

Now I understand you are from Maryland and folks don't operate like us southerners. Somehow you folks from New England (except for New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, New York that isn't part of the five boroughs known as NYC) just get scared shitless over gun ownership and such. I don't get the big deal, but then I don't have to. I don't get what's so scary over someone going about their business with a gun on their hip. Doesn't bother me when I go to Georgia to visit family or hunting (usually an occassion for both). Now someone waving a gun around would be grounds for concern, surely. But I guess some folks just think folks are evil and dangerous, I mean with all the crazy anti-American laws in New York, Maryland, Illinois, California, D.C. I guess those folks in those parts have a greater tendency for it.

If you can't see my gun, how do you know I have a gun? My grandfather who lived in NYC broke the law for everyday he lived in NYC, he always carried a Colt 1903 .32 ACP and snub nose .38 revolver till the day he passed in a hospital at the ripe old age of 89. But hey, you think what you want, even if it's wrong.

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

Thanks for the replies from everyone. One of the guys who supplies parts for one of my hobbies has really good stuff. Good prices, excellent quality control, great service and lots of free technical advice. He's way at the far right end of the political scale and very vocal about it. Lots of folks I know won't buy from him and will settle for lesser quality parts just to avoid him. That's what prompted the question.

Personally, it's not a big deal to me. Getting the best value for my dollar is very important to me. We all have our viewpoints. Even if we don't donate money to those causes we still probably vote in favor of them on election day. Actually, I'm somewhat surprised by the responses. I expected them to split much more down party lines.

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe
Personally, it's not a big deal to me. Getting the best value for my dollar is very important to me. We all have our viewpoints. Even if we don't donate money to those causes we still probably vote in favor of them on election day. Actually, I'm somewhat surprised by the responses. I expected them to split much more down party lines.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

You are contradicting yourself. There is no difference between walking into a jewelry store and walking into a bank with a gun.
They are both private property, and they both have a good reason to know who is and isn't armed on their property, based on the much higher likelihood of a robbery on such premises. If you had said coffeeshop or clothing store that wouldn't be so much of an issue.

And as with most people who don't give a rat's ass about the Constitution or the rights of others, you are pretending that what private individuals do on their private property to protect themselves is violating your rights...... Which is simply ignorance of the facts of life.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic


Your business, your right to choose, and then it's my right to choose not to spend my money at your business. And then tell everyone I know, and the internet, that you are against lawful concealed carry of firearms and let them decide. I live in Florida, concealed carry is legal. And concealed means "concealed." I carry concealed anywhere that's not a bank, courthouse, or hospital and I rarely go to hospitals. I went jogging today and I had a Model 40 S&W .38 special in concealed holster. I went out grocery shopping later and i had Glock 23 in my left jeans pocket behind my fat leather wallet. I've never once been called out for carrying and I used to carry a Brazilian Contract Colt 1917 that came to me a wreck with a bent barrel at the three inch mark, that I nickel plated and shortened the barrel to two inches, dehorned the hammer, I left the trigger guard, no need to Fitz it. It was a big pistol that I carried in a shoulder holster or back carry (made my own custom leather flat pack carry with padding).

Grocery stores in Florida let people carry guns so long as they are concealed, gas stations, movie theaters, restaraunts, gyms, bookstores (I get a Latee three to four times a week at a nearby bookstore and I always have at least one gun on my person).

Now I understand you are from Maryland and folks don't operate like us southerners. Somehow you folks from New England (except for New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, New York that isn't part of the five boroughs known as NYC) just get scared shitless over gun ownership and such. I don't get the big deal, but then I don't have to. I don't get what's so scary over someone going about their business with a gun on their hip. Doesn't bother me when I go to Georgia to visit family or hunting (usually an occassion for both). Now someone waving a gun around would be grounds for concern, surely. But I guess some folks just think folks are evil and dangerous, I mean with all the crazy anti-American laws in New York, Maryland, Illinois, California, D.C. I guess those folks in those parts have a greater tendency for it.

If you can't see my gun, how do you know I have a gun? My grandfather who lived in NYC broke the law for everyday he lived in NYC, he always carried a Colt 1903 .32 ACP and snub nose .38 revolver till the day he passed in a hospital at the ripe old age of 89. But hey, you think what you want, even if it's wrong.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Eh in Florida it's against the law to carry concealed firearms into a bank. Now I could be wrong but that's the impression I've operated under. And it's your opinion there is no difference but I can't put my life savings into an account in a jewelry. A jewelry store is a retailer, just like a clothing store, pawnshop, or other dealer in goods.

I'm not saying jewelry stores don't have the right. I'm simply saying I refuse to shop there, that's my right, it's also my right to share that info with the public if I so choose. I don't have the right to stop others from shopping there or demanding the jeweler shut down, I just have the right to choose how I spend my money and let others have the info with which to make their decisions. It's okay, the jewelry store I go to is privately owned and the owner and I are gun folk. I handled his wife's concealed carry course qualifier, and his prices are superior (I met him two years after discovering the issue with the other store). He doesn't put up signs preventing law abiding folks from lawfully carrying "concealed firearms" because the reality, the simple reality, is that the sign won't stop criminals, only law abiding people. I realize that reality is lost on some folks.

Okay the issue of private property, again, I repeat, pay attention. I'm not saying they don't have the right. I'm simply saying I choose not to spend my money in establishments that operate in such fashion. I'm not stopping anyone from patronizing them. Okay, got it, do you understand? Do you need any more help? If controlling their property is such a concern where law abiding people lawfully carrying firearms is such a concern, then foregoing my patronage is an acceptable loss to them as well as the loss of others who disagree with them. I'm not trying to interfere with their rights. I'm not protesting in front of their store, I'm simply adding their name to a list of businesses that are anti-2nd Amendment so others can make their own choices about whether or not to do business with them. That's called freedom of speech, okay?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

You are contradicting yourself. There is no difference between walking into a jewelry store and walking into a bank with a gun.
They are both private property, and they both have a good reason to know who is and isn't armed on their property, based on the much higher likelihood of a robbery on such premises. If you had said coffeeshop or clothing store that wouldn't be so much of an issue.

And as with most people who don't give a rat's ass about the Constitution or the rights of others, you are pretending that what private individuals do on their private property to protect themselves is violating your rights...... Which is simply ignorance of the facts of life.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic


Your business, your right to choose, and then it's my right to choose not to spend my money at your business. And then tell everyone I know, and the internet, that you are against lawful concealed carry of firearms and let them decide. I live in Florida, concealed carry is legal. And concealed means "concealed." I carry concealed anywhere that's not a bank, courthouse, or hospital and I rarely go to hospitals. I went jogging today and I had a Model 40 S&W .38 special in concealed holster. I went out grocery shopping later and i had Glock 23 in my left jeans pocket behind my fat leather wallet. I've never once been called out for carrying and I used to carry a Brazilian Contract Colt 1917 that came to me a wreck with a bent barrel at the three inch mark, that I nickel plated and shortened the barrel to two inches, dehorned the hammer, I left the trigger guard, no need to Fitz it. It was a big pistol that I carried in a shoulder holster or back carry (made my own custom leather flat pack carry with padding).

Grocery stores in Florida let people carry guns so long as they are concealed, gas stations, movie theaters, restaraunts, gyms, bookstores (I get a Latee three to four times a week at a nearby bookstore and I always have at least one gun on my person).

Now I understand you are from Maryland and folks don't operate like us southerners. Somehow you folks from New England (except for New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, New York that isn't part of the five boroughs known as NYC) just get scared shitless over gun ownership and such. I don't get the big deal, but then I don't have to. I don't get what's so scary over someone going about their business with a gun on their hip. Doesn't bother me when I go to Georgia to visit family or hunting (usually an occassion for both). Now someone waving a gun around would be grounds for concern, surely. But I guess some folks just think folks are evil and dangerous, I mean with all the crazy anti-American laws in New York, Maryland, Illinois, California, D.C. I guess those folks in those parts have a greater tendency for it.

If you can't see my gun, how do you know I have a gun? My grandfather who lived in NYC broke the law for everyday he lived in NYC, he always carried a Colt 1903 .32 ACP and snub nose .38 revolver till the day he passed in a hospital at the ripe old age of 89. But hey, you think what you want, even if it's wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

No, that's called spin. You specifically claim people who don't want you on their private property unless you follow their rules are 'anti-2nd amendment'. Bull. They could be the reincarnation of James Madison, and have every right to say 'no outside guns in my premises'. Same thing for people who own businesses at high risk for armed robbery. The two positions aren't mutually exclusive.


And 'Now I could be wrong but'... WTF?? 'Operated under'? So you are carrying in public, and you haven't even bothered to learn the basic laws on the matter?



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html

Let me guess, 'sovereign citizens don't need no stinking permits'.

(in reply to Powergamz1)

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic (snip)

It's called freedom of choice. Are you mad I choose not to do business with people who seek to have me needlessly disarmed. We all have a right to make choices, and either reap the reward or suffer the consequences.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Come on, man. The lunatic left is all about freedom of choice as long as you listen to them when it comes to which way to choose. You've been around long enough to have figured that out.

You know ... women should have the right to choose ... unless they choose to be a stay-at-home mom, raising a family. That kind of thing.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

It's called freedom of choice. Are you mad I choose not to do business with people who seek to have me needlessly disarmed. We all have a right to make choices, and either reap the reward or suffer the consequences. I'm not arguing with them having the right. I've said repeatedly that they have the right to choose not to allow lawfully carried firearms on their property What's got you so upset? <smiles>

If you don't want to be in a business that involves a high risk of armed robbery, don't get into the business, simple as that. Telling me, a law-abiding individual I can't lawfully carry a firearm on your premises won't stop a criminal intent on robbing, from robbing, it will only stop me from entering the business premises. I mean Jesus Christ, if your business is that dangerous I can't lawfully carry a firearm on the property and you don't have law enforcement in significant number on the property performing pat downs and metal detectors, I don't want to be on your premises because your so scared of criminals, it must be a dangerous place to be. Part of the reason I'll never again visit Chicago, D.C., NYC, Maryland, or New Jersey, it's just so darned dangerous that they have to have these incredibly anti-American laws to disarm law abiding citizens.

Oh I'm well aware of the laws on the matter, it just happens that cops in Florida aren't, and I don't want to be arguing with one over having a gun in bank. And yes I have a concealed carry permit. I'm an NRA certified Pistol Instructor, and the vast majority of my students have gotten their permits. So keep dancing buddy, you might something to bring into this conversation other than I'm a bad guy because I won't spend money in establishments that don't share my view point, and will instead choose to spend money in places that share my view point. Oh I'm so bad, I do what so many Americans choose to do wah wah wah, lol.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

No, that's called spin. You specifically claim people who don't want you on their private property unless you follow their rules are 'anti-2nd amendment'. Bull. They could be the reincarnation of James Madison, and have every right to say 'no outside guns in my premises'. Same thing for people who own businesses at high risk for armed robbery. The two positions aren't mutually exclusive.


And 'Now I could be wrong but'... WTF?? 'Operated under'? So you are carrying in public, and you haven't even bothered to learn the basic laws on the matter?



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html

Let me guess, 'sovereign citizens don't need no stinking permits'.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

No the lunatic left is only interested in freedom of choice if you choose what it is they want you to choose.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Tah tah

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

No the lunatic left is only interested in freedom of choice if you choose what it is they want you to choose.

Bullshit.

The fact is that you have the freedom to choose to carry a concealed firearm and business owers have the freedom to choose to not allow you to do so on their property.

The correct behavior would be to live and let live. Your claimed behavior is trying to force others to adhere to your beliefs.