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Should I tell my daughter... - 5/5/2013 9:33:09 PM   
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I think her husband is an asshole?

I've never really gotten to know the guy well before they got married, my daughter and I had been somewhat estranged for a few years until right before her wedding. (That is a long story)

Anyway, Friday evening I went out my daughter's to spend the weekend and play with the grand baby. Since I was there, she and my son-in-law decided to go to friend's mudding party Saturday. They ended up fighting and coming home 2 1/2 hours after they left. But my son-in-law did nothing more than drop off my daughter and her father and then he took off again after tossing a case of beer into the driveway (breaking every glass bottle in the process) and tearing the car seat out of the car. My ex told me that the fight because our SIL wanted to use the SUV they owe 10 grand on to go mudding because all of a sudden riding in somebody else's truck wasn't good enough. He had a truck that he used for mudding in the past until the frame broke. Instead of welding it back together, he junked it and decided he'd get another, but they haven't had the money.

My daughter was in consolable last night. She told me that her husband has never stayed out all night. She also said that he got mad because when she told him about using the SUV, he wouldn't shut up about doing it and she finally hit him and said that she's a mean drunk. Well, hell, I would have hit somebody too if they didn't see common sense enough not to use the only vehicle we had to get to and from work, shop, take our daughter to doctor appointments, not to mention pick up his other daughter from his previous marriage at her grandparents' for visitation, on a sport that could cripple the vehicle.

About an hour after leaving last night, he told my daughter in a text message that he's leaving her. That he would be come home this morning to get his things and the his caddy (which isn't running, isn't inspected and doesn't have insurance). He did come home this morning, after sleeping, we guess, in the car...acting like nothing had ever happened. He took a shower and then wanted my daughter to go with him to pick up his older kid for his scheduled visitation.

My ex and I spent a lot of time last night whispering together. He spends much more time with our daughter than I do, he babysits 3 days a week, so he knows a lot of what goes on. He told me that they are always fighting--and have been a lot in the past month. In the past month they've had a lot of financial problems. It is to the point where my daughter has come to me for money and they owe me close to $400. And in the meantime, my SIL was talking about a new gun he wants. And to top it off, they made a $500 mistake on their federal taxes in 2011.

My ex told me the marriage is headed for divorce. He also said that if our SIL leaves, it will be the perfect excuse for him to leave his live-in-girlfriend (whom he's been looking to leave anyway) and he'd move in with our daughter to help her out. But he's not sure his income and her income would still be enough to make all of the bills they have. My daughter's rent is kind of high, which pisses me off because where they live isn't worth what they pay, especially when their water from a pond, is not drinkable, and actually even stinks to high heaven. I can't even stand to rinse a dish before washing them with water that I lug over there when I go and my daughter bathes in the crap!!! My ex made me a cup of coffee with tap water, saying its OK once its boiled, but it smells so bad, I couldn't drink it. But with the house, they also rent 3 acres of grass that they have to care for. My SIL wanted a lot of land.

Anyway, I came to the conclusion this weekend that my SIL is an asshole. This is something that has been building. He's lied to her to about important stuff and little stuff--like telling her he put his caddy up for sale and turning around and telling my son that he didn't and won't. He doesn't do any housework or cooking. They both work full time and I've been there when they get home from work (they happen to work at the same place). He takes a shower while she fixes dinner and does some housework. After dinner, he usually goes out with his buddies. Sometimes, on Monday, on his bowling night, she'll go with him, because my ex will stay to babysit, but most nights, she's left home. When she does get to out, its doing things with him and his friends, not hers. In fact, I think she has only 1 friend left anymore, her former stepsister--her father's 2nd wife's daughter.
My daughter even made a comment that if she got a divorce she'd stay in every night and be a stay-at-mom when she isn't working. That isn't right.

I'm just not sure I should tell my daughter what I think of the guy and how I think he's cut her off from her friends and her family--they never come into the city see me, I always have to go to them. Even when they borrow money from me, it is either me or my son taking the money them, they can't even come to the city to get it.


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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/5/2013 10:27:37 PM   
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yes do tell your daughter what you feel and think and why and reassure her that no matter what you will love and support her and that it is her decision to make but tell her so she knows how you feel

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/5/2013 10:51:17 PM   
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No, I don't think you should IMO. I know it's your daughter and you only want her happy, but this is really not your business. She needs to figure it out on her own, if she hasn't already. How you feel about him most likely won't change how she feels about him. IF things worked out between the two of them and you had told her how you felt about him, it could make things uncomfortable between you and them. As a mother, I think the best you can do is just be there for her. Console her and listen to her. Telling your thoughts regarding how you feel about your SIL serves no purpose other than expressing your opinion.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/5/2013 11:11:29 PM   
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I think this is a situation where you have to bite your lip and let your daughter make her own decisions.

You said already that you'd been estranged from your daughter for a while - well, making negative judgements about her decisions is likely to be the fast route to another estrangement. She chose him to marry and make a baby with, and if what you say is correct, then she's already regretting that decision. I'm sure the last thing she needs is someone she loves pointing out her mistakes.

My suggestion? Stay friendly, support her, tolerate the SIL and be someone she can come and talk to without fear of the 'I told you so' conversation. Then when her relationship blows up, you'll be someone she can turn to for support and sympathy.

Don't forget, he's the father of your grand baby. So even if she dumps his ass, the SIL will be part of her life until the baby is an adult. Keep it civil and share your negative opinions about the SIL with your ex, not your daughter.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 1:21:34 AM   
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I think it is okay to make 1 remark about you could see how upset she was the other night and if she ever wants to talk you are there for her.

There are so many things wrong with this: your daughter hitting him was wrong and you are in agreement with her.
That was domestic violence.

If he gets drunk fairly often (and there is no way of knowing from what you have written) perhaps he has a drinking issue.
If she ever suggests that is true you could mention Al-Anon to her.

Your ex wants to move out of his girlfriend's and move in with daughter.
He is not likely to be objective.


Being supportive does not mean saying derogatory things about your SIL.

It means listening.


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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 1:22:40 AM   
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Keep your lips closed and mind your own business.

Posts 3 and 4 are good posts.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 1:42:00 AM   
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No, I don't think you should IMO. I know it's your daughter and you only want her happy, but this is really not your business. She needs to figure it out on her own, if she hasn't already. How you feel about him most likely won't change how she feels about him. IF things worked out between the two of them and you had told her how you felt about him, it could make things uncomfortable between you and them. As a mother, I think the best you can do is just be there for her. Console her and listen to her. Telling your thoughts regarding how you feel about your SIL serves no purpose other than expressing your opinion.


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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 6:47:13 AM   
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I think it's ok to say something like "I can see that you're having a hard time, and if you ever want to talk about it, don't be afraid to come to me." Then, after that, you need to drop it. If she never comes to you about it, accept that and move on. She's an adult, and she won't want her mom messing around in her personal life. If she does come to you, though, you have to be careful to not be judgmental. Listen far more than you talk. Ask questions that will help her to clarify her thoughts, not those that will give you more information.

Otherwise, stay quiet.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 7:09:02 AM   
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I would say unless asked what your thoughts are its best to say nothing and I agree with what everyone else have said. I hope for your grand baby's sake that everything works out for the best.

My thought is also if they need to borrow money make them come get it other wise you are enabling them. If they want or need it bad enough let them take the responsibility in getting it, after all you are already helping them out by giving it to them. Just my two cents

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 7:27:03 AM   
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The only reason I'd suggest that you tell your daughter you think your SIL is an asshole would be if you enjoy the idea of walking on landmines.

One of the great lessons that I've learned in My life is not to give an opinion on somebody's partner when they are having problems. Next week or next month when things are going good between them, your daughter will still remember the words that you had to say and that poor opinion of him is going to stick with her. In other words, you are opening yourself up to be the enemy. If she wants to call him an asshole, because he did this or that, let her. Next week, when he's a wonderful guy, because he did this or that, then you are stuck because you think he's a dick and you've already let her know that opinion.

If your daughter comes to you to vent, do your best to stay neutral about your son in law as a human being. You can listen and comfort her based on her feelings without being negative about him. Choose your words carefully. You can be supportive of her without tearing him down.


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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 7:32:39 AM   
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One of the great lessons that I've learned in My life is not to give an opinion on somebody's partner when they are having problems.


This says it all if I am honest. I suggest being there for her, let her talk to you if she wants to but considering the fact that you were estranged I think it would just be a case of shoot the messenger. She will get there in her own time if needs be and then you, as her mother, step up and help pick up the pieces. Offer her help if you can or want to but other than that stay out. It won't matter what you say until she is ready to leave anyway.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 9:12:24 AM   
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Per your story I agree, he *IS* an asshole. But by your very own story, your daughter can be one too. The thing is, all human beings turn into an asshole on occasion. This is not the best time to judge them overall. Really.

Should you tell your daughter what you think? OF COURSE NOT. It really *isn't* your place to sit in judgement of her life partner choices and decisions. It's your place to support her.

Very often with adult children, this means keeping your mouth shut. It means respecting her decisions, even when you think they are wrong. It means making sure you keep close to her so you can help IF SHE ASKS.

You do that by keeping your mouth shut. Yeah, it can be hard. Your other option is to tell her and quite possible estranging your daughter for who knows how long.

It's hard, I know. But button it.



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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 10:20:29 AM   
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I think you can be honest and tell her that he's an asshole. I mean, it's seems to be indisputable fact, judging from the story.

However, the decision to remain in the marriage is hers, and hers alone. Let her know that you will be there, regardless of what her decision is. Also, I think you should tell her that you want to see her more often, especially in light of all of the turmoil. It seems she needs you more than ever.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 10:24:53 AM   
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If he can afford to destroy a case of liquor I would never loan him money. I know it's easy to say and hard to deny your daughter and grandbaby, but they need to learn how to live on only their own money. You are enabling them when you give them money.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 10:26:37 AM   
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i agree with the others that you should not do this. opinions should not be given unless they are asked for, but even then you should not call him an arsehole. if asked just say that you don't like to see her hurting. chances are is that she already knows that he's an arsehole, but she has to make her own mind up as to whether to leave him or not. tell her that you will always be there for her to support her choices.

the only time i'd interfer is if the baby was at risk.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 2:15:13 PM   
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Sounds to me like she got what she gave. At least he didn't punch her back, which shows some restraint on his part.

She is tolerating his behavior. Only she can decide when she has had enough. That would be the time I would be there with a shoulder for her to cry on. Otherwise, butt out.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 2:37:21 PM   
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Having had my own ass hole and not crying about the wound of his staying out all night... hell.. somebody take him please... and not having a mom to help or a safe way out for at least three escapes... THAT GRANDCHILD WILL SUFFER, not only now, but later. People say, stay out of it... that includes looking the other way, while a child/children are over looked. Drunk driving, mom sobbing, fighting constantly, smashing glass... is no place for a child.

If she isn't wanting to save herself, cool, whatever, BUT she allows this for YOUR grandchild... I would have more to say to her than her husband is an ass hole... and yeah... for a grand baby, I would, I have and I still would again. At this point, I am sorry to say... but you know my straight talk... you can start counting the ass holes and any mother that has a way out... family support etc. and allows their child to go through that.. is an ass hole in my book. CHILDREN matter more than adults playing adult. It takes two to tango here and she is tangoing if she isn't looking for a way to save herself and child.

Stop giving them money to continue the bs while the ass hole is there and save your money for when he is gone. She will need it more then.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 2:46:45 PM   
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I have a son who fights with my pseudo daughter in law (and mother of my granddaughter) all the time as well. Of course, in their case, I see both points of view and each time how they are both being assholes. And yes, I do tell them they are both behaving badly.

In your case, they are both behaving badly (at least on Saturday night), but with your estrangement in the not too distant past, telling her they both behaved badly wouldn't do much good for you. It sounds like perhaps there are some drinking issues that need to be addressed as well.

Do not tell her your opinion unless you want to have restricted contact with your grandchild. The next time that they are fighting and you are there or she calls you to talk about it, let her know that you will always listen, and perhaps suggest that some couples counseling could be helpful to them. If the conversation seems to be going well, you might suggest that they seem to fight a lot and she should give that some thought as it will have a very adverse effect on your grandchild (I have had this conversation several times with my son and his girlfriend).

However, like the majority of others here, do NOT, under any circumstances give her your opinion, unless you are prepared to become the "bad guy" instead of it being your SIL, and possibly lose your relationship with your daughter and grandchild.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 2:54:12 PM   
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IMO, I don't think telling her would do any good. I got married when I was 18 and was married to him until I was 22. He beat me almost everyday, would not work, did a lot of terrible things, but no matter what ANYONE (family, friends, coworkers who saw bruises) said I made excuses for him until I was finally fed up. Hopefully your daughter will realize what is best for her and for her child before she wastes too much of her life with someone who treats her this way. Thank the good Lord my ex and I did not have children :\

Good luck to your daughter and I hope you find peace.

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RE: Should I tell my daughter... - 5/6/2013 3:14:25 PM   
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If you say so, than you risk keeping them together. It is hard enough to get divorced, add the feeling of being told, 'I told you so' and it makes it harder. Just assure your kid you love them and don't let the SIL strain your relationship with your kid... Try and be nice to him two. If he hates you and your daughter is upset with you, you gave them a common enemy. Don't be the reason they have something in common

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