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thompsonx -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/11/2013 2:25:34 PM)
quote: I'm sure squirrels are tasty, but not a lot of meat on them. That is why it takes more than one to make lunch.

thompsonx -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/11/2013 2:27:30 PM)
quote: stop using the general public as a testing ground for psychotropic drugs and you wont have too much to worry about. Who is passing out psychotropic drugs to the public? Where is the line? What kind of i.d. do you need? Are there any age restrictions?

thompsonx -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/11/2013 2:32:31 PM)
quote: People do realize that the right to bear arms was put in motion during a revolutionary period, and when rifles and guns won wars, right? The revoluton was over in 1783. The constitution comes in 1789. The war had been over for 6 years. George mason seems to make a pretty good arguement for the 2nd ammendment.

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 8:16:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: stop using the general public as a testing ground for psychotropic drugs and you wont have too much to worry about. Who is passing out psychotropic drugs to the public? Where is the line? What kind of i.d. do you need? Are there any age restrictions? quote: Abilify - antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and agitation Adderall - stimulant used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Ambien - used as a sleep aid, cause drowsiness Antabuse - used to treat alcohol addiction Aricept - used to slow the progression of dementia Anafranil - tricyclic antidepressant Asenapine - antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Ativan - benzodiazepine, used to relieve anxiety[1] Benperidol - an antipsychotic BuSpar - an anti -anxiety medication Benzodiazepines - a class of sedatives Benzydamine - an anti-inflammatory drug Celexa - an antidepressant of the SSRI class (Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) Clozaril - an atypical antipsychotic (Clozapine) Concerta - used to treat ADD/ADHD Cymbalta - an antidepressant of the SSNRI (Selective Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor) class, similar to Effexor (venlafaxine) Depakote - an atiepileptic and mood stabilizer used to treat bipolar disorder, neuropathic pain and others. Sometimes called an antimanic medication Dextromethorphan - an antitussive drug Effexor - an antidepressant of the SSNRI (or SNRI) class Elavil - a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA), less commonly used these days Eskalith - a salt of Lithium, which is a mood stabilizer used to prevent bipolar disorder. Fluoxetine - (Prozac) is used to treat major depressive disorder, bulimia nervosa (an eating disorder) obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder, and premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). Gabitril - a mood stabilizer Geodon - an "atypical" antipsychotic Haldol - a "typical" antipsychotic, one of the oldest, usually given in conjunction with "cogentin", an antiparkinsonic. This is due to the high occurrence of tardive dyskinesia on patients with prolonged Haldol use. Imipramine - a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) which is sometimes used to treat bulimia, panic disorder, or related disorders Inderal - a beta blocker known as propranolol. It is used for acute anxiety, panic attacks, hypertension. Keppra - an anticonvulsant drug which is sometimes used as a mood stabilizer Klonopin - antianxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class Lamictal - a mood stabilizer of the anticonvulsant class Lexapro - an antidepressant of the SSRI class Librium - the first antianxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class. Lithium (generic name) - Known more commonly by its generic name, a mood stabilizer used in treating bipolar disorder Lithobid (Lithium) - A trade drug of the antipsychotic drug lithium, which is a mood stabilizer used to treat bipolar disorder Loxitane - an antipsychotic, today rarely used Lunesta - a sleep aid Luvox - an antidepressant of the SSRI class, often used to treat Obsessive-compulsive disorder Mellaril - an antipsychotic, today rarely used Namenda - used to slow the progression of Alzheimer's Dementia Navane - an antipsychotic, today rarely used Neurontin - an anticonvulsant (anti -seizure medication) which is sometimes used as a mood stabilizer or to treat chronic pain, particularly diabetic neuropathy Paxil - an SSRI antidepressant, used frequently to treat depression and anxiety disorders Phenelzine - (Nardil)-MAOIs for depression Pristiq - an SNRI antidepressant Prolixin - an antipsychotic Prozac - an SSRI antidepressant Phenobarbital- a barbiturate, sedative and hypnotic properties Remeron - an antidepressant which is often used as a sleep aid Reminyl - used to slow the progression of Alzheimer's Dementia Restoril - a sleep aid of the benzodiazepine class ReVia - alternatively known as Naltrexone Risperdal - an "atypical" antipsychotic Ritalin - a stimulant used to treat ADHD/ADD Saphris - an atypical antipsychotic Serax - anti -anxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class, often used to help during detoxification from alcohol or other drugs of abuse Sertraline - an SSRI class anti-depressant (brand name Zoloft) Seroquel - an "atypical" antipsychotic, sometimes is used as a sleep aid when given in low doses Serzone- an "atypical" antidepressant Stelazine - an older antipsychotic, today rarely used Strattera - a non-stimulant medication used to treat ADD/ADHD Sycrest - an atypical antipsychotic Thioxetine Thorazine - an older antipsychotic, today rarely used because of the high occurrence of serious side effects Topamax - a mood stabilizer, also used for migraine headaches Trazodone - atypical antidepressant, most typically used now as a sleep aid Trileptal - a mood stabilizer used to treat bipolar disorder Valium - anti-anxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class Vistaril - an antihistamine for the treatment of itches and irritations, an antiemetic, as a weak analgesic, an opioid potentiator, and as an anxiolytic. Vyvanse - a stimulant used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Wellbutrin - an antidepressant of the norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor (NDRI) class, structurally identical to Zyban, a smoking cessation aid Xanax - an antianxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class Zoloft - an antidepressant of the SSRI class Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Zyprexa - an "atypical" antipsychotic medication used in the treatment of schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, and various types of dementia and /sometimes OCD(obsessive compulsive disorder) Zaleplon - a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic Zolpidem - a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic Zopiclone - a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic many of these drugs have serious side effects and they give them to people like candy, even children. no need for an id outside of knowing someone is old enough to consent, if you want to purchase any drug, however people trust their doctors to take care of them when all to often they are only pushing the pharma upon them. there is no line

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 8:22:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: People do realize that the right to bear arms was put in motion during a revolutionary period, and when rifles and guns won wars, right? The revoluton was over in 1783. The constitution comes in 1789. The war had been over for 6 years. George mason seems to make a pretty good arguement for the 2nd ammendment. arms win wars of bloodshed and destruction including but not limited to rifles and guns, hence the use of the word arms instead of the use of the word "guns". People today seem incapable making proper distinctions. They had canons, a canon is an arm, hence if they wanted to limit it to rifles they would have stipulated rifles.

thompsonx -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 8:49:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: People do realize that the right to bear arms was put in motion during a revolutionary period, and when rifles and guns won wars, right? The revoluton was over in 1783. The constitution comes in 1789. The war had been over for 6 years. George mason seems to make a pretty good arguement for the 2nd ammendment. arms win wars of bloodshed and destruction including but not limited to rifles and guns, hence the use of the word arms instead of the use of the word "guns". People today seem incapable making proper distinctions. They had canons, a canon is an arm, hence if they wanted to limit it to rifles they would have stipulated rifles. I sugested george mason as a source for information on the 2nd ammendment. How does the above relate to that?

thompsonx -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 8:52:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: stop using the general public as a testing ground for psychotropic drugs and you wont have too much to worry about. Who is passing out psychotropic drugs to the public? Where is the line? What kind of i.d. do you need? Are there any age restrictions? quote: Abilify - antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and agitation Adderall - stimulant used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Ambien - used as a sleep aid, cause drowsiness Antabuse - used to treat alcohol addiction Aricept - used to slow the progression of dementia Anafranil - tricyclic antidepressant Asenapine - antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Ativan - benzodiazepine, used to relieve anxiety[1] Benperidol - an antipsychotic BuSpar - an anti -anxiety medication Benzodiazepines - a class of sedatives Benzydamine - an anti-inflammatory drug Celexa - an antidepressant of the SSRI class (Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) Clozaril - an atypical antipsychotic (Clozapine) Concerta - used to treat ADD/ADHD Cymbalta - an antidepressant of the SSNRI (Selective Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor) class, similar to Effexor (venlafaxine) Depakote - an atiepileptic and mood stabilizer used to treat bipolar disorder, neuropathic pain and others. Sometimes called an antimanic medication Dextromethorphan - an antitussive drug Effexor - an antidepressant of the SSNRI (or SNRI) class Elavil - a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA), less commonly used these days Eskalith - a salt of Lithium, which is a mood stabilizer used to prevent bipolar disorder. Fluoxetine - (Prozac) is used to treat major depressive disorder, bulimia nervosa (an eating disorder) obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder, and premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). Gabitril - a mood stabilizer Geodon - an "atypical" antipsychotic Haldol - a "typical" antipsychotic, one of the oldest, usually given in conjunction with "cogentin", an antiparkinsonic. This is due to the high occurrence of tardive dyskinesia on patients with prolonged Haldol use. Imipramine - a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) which is sometimes used to treat bulimia, panic disorder, or related disorders Inderal - a beta blocker known as propranolol. It is used for acute anxiety, panic attacks, hypertension. Keppra - an anticonvulsant drug which is sometimes used as a mood stabilizer Klonopin - antianxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class Lamictal - a mood stabilizer of the anticonvulsant class Lexapro - an antidepressant of the SSRI class Librium - the first antianxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class. Lithium (generic name) - Known more commonly by its generic name, a mood stabilizer used in treating bipolar disorder Lithobid (Lithium) - A trade drug of the antipsychotic drug lithium, which is a mood stabilizer used to treat bipolar disorder Loxitane - an antipsychotic, today rarely used Lunesta - a sleep aid Luvox - an antidepressant of the SSRI class, often used to treat Obsessive-compulsive disorder Mellaril - an antipsychotic, today rarely used Namenda - used to slow the progression of Alzheimer's Dementia Navane - an antipsychotic, today rarely used Neurontin - an anticonvulsant (anti -seizure medication) which is sometimes used as a mood stabilizer or to treat chronic pain, particularly diabetic neuropathy Paxil - an SSRI antidepressant, used frequently to treat depression and anxiety disorders Phenelzine - (Nardil)-MAOIs for depression Pristiq - an SNRI antidepressant Prolixin - an antipsychotic Prozac - an SSRI antidepressant Phenobarbital- a barbiturate, sedative and hypnotic properties Remeron - an antidepressant which is often used as a sleep aid Reminyl - used to slow the progression of Alzheimer's Dementia Restoril - a sleep aid of the benzodiazepine class ReVia - alternatively known as Naltrexone Risperdal - an "atypical" antipsychotic Ritalin - a stimulant used to treat ADHD/ADD Saphris - an atypical antipsychotic Serax - anti -anxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class, often used to help during detoxification from alcohol or other drugs of abuse Sertraline - an SSRI class anti-depressant (brand name Zoloft) Seroquel - an "atypical" antipsychotic, sometimes is used as a sleep aid when given in low doses Serzone- an "atypical" antidepressant Stelazine - an older antipsychotic, today rarely used Strattera - a non-stimulant medication used to treat ADD/ADHD Sycrest - an atypical antipsychotic Thioxetine Thorazine - an older antipsychotic, today rarely used because of the high occurrence of serious side effects Topamax - a mood stabilizer, also used for migraine headaches Trazodone - atypical antidepressant, most typically used now as a sleep aid Trileptal - a mood stabilizer used to treat bipolar disorder Valium - anti-anxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class Vistaril - an antihistamine for the treatment of itches and irritations, an antiemetic, as a weak analgesic, an opioid potentiator, and as an anxiolytic. Vyvanse - a stimulant used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Wellbutrin - an antidepressant of the norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor (NDRI) class, structurally identical to Zyban, a smoking cessation aid Xanax - an antianxiety medication of the benzodiazepine class Zoloft - an antidepressant of the SSRI class Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Zyprexa - an "atypical" antipsychotic medication used in the treatment of schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, and various types of dementia and /sometimes OCD(obsessive compulsive disorder) Zaleplon - a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic Zolpidem - a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic Zopiclone - a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic many of these drugs have serious side effects and they give them to people like candy, even children. no need for an id outside of knowing someone is old enough to consent, if you want to purchase any drug, however people trust their doctors to take care of them when all to often they are only pushing the pharma upon them. there is no line Is that the whole list? Where is the good shit?

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 10:36:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: People do realize that the right to bear arms was put in motion during a revolutionary period, and when rifles and guns won wars, right? The revoluton was over in 1783. The constitution comes in 1789. The war had been over for 6 years. George mason seems to make a pretty good arguement for the 2nd ammendment. arms win wars of bloodshed and destruction including but not limited to rifles and guns, hence the use of the word arms instead of the use of the word "guns". People today seem incapable making proper distinctions. They had canons, a canon is an arm, hence if they wanted to limit it to rifles they would have stipulated rifles. I sugested george mason as a source for information on the 2nd ammendment. How does the above relate to that? its a parallel argument to yours that by extension demonstrates also that the defense is not limited to muskets. [1] This right, as with many other rights outlined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, pre-dated colonial America. 1. U.S. CONST. amend. II ("A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."); see, EARL R. KRUSCHKE, THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS: A CONTINUING AMERICAN DILEMMA 7-12 (1985) (describing the English history of the right to bear arms). [2] Of all the rights held or rejected by man and woman, this right, essential to self defense, may reach back to the dawn of humanity. 2. Id.; DAVID T. HARDY, ORIGINS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT 12-40 (1986) (discussing the right and duty of English citizens to be armed from the time of the Saxon invasion in or near the sixth century through the time of American colonization).

thompsonx -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 10:41:43 AM)
quote: I sugested george mason as a source for information on the 2nd ammendment. How does the above relate to that? quote: its a parallel argument to yours that by extension demonstrates also that the defense is not limited to muskets. It is not. I suggest you read mason.

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 12:11:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: I sugested george mason as a source for information on the 2nd ammendment. How does the above relate to that? quote: its a parallel argument to yours that by extension demonstrates also that the defense is not limited to muskets. It is not. I suggest you read mason. fundamentally self defense, which is life, liberty and property. you referring to when the english disarmed their people and now they have no way to defend their rights? wasnt he the one that made the case for disarmament is slavery? its what societies do to criminals. lots of brits on this board domestic and abroad support disarming america

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 12:19:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Obfusacation, huh? You always seem to be complaining about the government and I can never quite understand what you are FOR. To further confuse understanding of your positions you splatter graphics across the screen as if anyone will pay much attention to them. If you have a position you can state cogently and pithily please state it. I will be happy to read it. But if you are going to just continue to complain about police state and loss of liberty without giving specifics then forget about it. you prefer leading? I am for HONEST governance and full acknowledgement of the rights of wo/man not infringed. so the first thing you did is made a constitution and declared you have some fucking jurisdiction over me, hence right to rule me. 1) Post your empirical facts and evidence that government as established has the legitimate right to jurisdiction (rule) over the inhabitants. (use the US for an example. which will take us into the secondary question before you make your claim, that I have put to you several times, 2) what are the elements of law. doesnt get any more pithy than that does it?

thompsonx -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 12:47:30 PM)
quote: It is not. I suggest you read mason. fundamentally self defense, which is life, liberty and property. you referring to when the english disarmed their people and now they have no way to defend their rights? wasnt he the one that made the case for disarmament is slavery? its what societies do to criminals. If you are not going to read it I am done discussing this with you.

vincentML -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 2:33:36 PM)
quote: doesnt get any more pithy than that does it? Yes, it does. Give me one example of 'honest government," one exemplar to show you are not just blowing wind from some fantasy.

graceadieu -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 2:47:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne many of these drugs have serious side effects and they give them to people like candy, even children. no need for an id outside of knowing someone is old enough to consent, if you want to purchase any drug, however people trust their doctors to take care of them when all to often they are only pushing the pharma upon them. there is no line Pathetic. The drugs you listed literally save people's lives. I would almost certainly be dead now if I hadn't started taking one of the drugs you listed at 17. My only regret about taking these kinds of medications is that I didn't start earlier and take more. Do you really want people to die or have their lives ruined by mental illness and neurological problems? Do you want to see tens of thousands (or more) of people permanently in hospitals or out on the street or in the morgue? Because that's the alternative.

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 3:02:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: doesnt get any more pithy than that does it? Yes, it does. Give me one example of 'honest government," one exemplar to show you are not just blowing wind from some fantasy. providing an exemplar is not the issue at hand. and understanding of governance is. that is really a lamo dodge! suffice to say you have NO FACTS or evidence that the US government has "legitimate" jurisdiction over the inhabitants herein, and you have no clue what the elements of law are. and you want to "discuss" the finer points of governance? I think not. can you really be more obvious. Really stuck your foot in that one! LOL

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 3:06:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: It is not. I suggest you read mason. fundamentally self defense, which is life, liberty and property. you referring to when the english disarmed their people and now they have no way to defend their rights? wasnt he the one that made the case for disarmament is slavery? its what societies do to criminals. If you are not going to read it I am done discussing this with you. If you find I am in error then fine point it out. If you have some specific point you would like to make then put up the link and I will look at it. I am not going to simply start re-reading mason for the sake of reading mason when I have no reason to believe my understanding is deficient. In other words I believe the statements closely represent masons position though maybe not "verbatim". otherwise the feeling is mutual.

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/12/2013 3:14:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne many of these drugs have serious side effects and they give them to people like candy, even children. no need for an id outside of knowing someone is old enough to consent, if you want to purchase any drug, however people trust their doctors to take care of them when all to often they are only pushing the pharma upon them. there is no line Pathetic. The drugs you listed literally save people's lives. I would almost certainly be dead now if I hadn't started taking one of the drugs you listed at 17. My only regret about taking these kinds of medications is that I didn't start earlier and take more. Do you really want people to die or have their lives ruined by mental illness and neurological problems? Do you want to see tens of thousands (or more) of people permanently in hospitals or out on the street or in the morgue? Because that's the alternative. I used the term "many" not ALL. the substance of the point was abuse of discretion not summary denial

vincentML -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/13/2013 9:51:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: doesnt get any more pithy than that does it? Yes, it does. Give me one example of 'honest government," one exemplar to show you are not just blowing wind from some fantasy. providing an exemplar is not the issue at hand. and understanding of governance is. that is really a lamo dodge! suffice to say you have NO FACTS or evidence that the US government has "legitimate" jurisdiction over the inhabitants herein, and you have no clue what the elements of law are. and you want to "discuss" the finer points of governance? I think not. can you really be more obvious. Really stuck your foot in that one! LOL [:)] I really didn't say I wished to discuss the finer points of governance. I imagine there was corruption in every government that ever was. Your inability to provide an exemplar shows that your arguments/rantings/ pseudo-legalisms have been based upon a utopian fantasy. Enjoy your own unique disneyland. We are done here.

Real0ne -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/13/2013 10:17:40 AM)
Yes some people out here are known as "troughers"; (look it up in the urban dictionary if you do not know what it means) They simply choose to ignore the several supreme court cases posted on these matters. Troughers are willfully negligent by their knowing failure to consider facts posted, both contributes, and is the corruption of government. Troughers then evade critical FACT based questions, (some as ridiculously simple as "what are the elements of law"* to hide their lack of knowledge), followed by demanding the discussion be shifted to "subjective"* non factual red herring bull shit like "exemplar" to redirect and restrict discussion of the matter to subjective bullshit rather than FACTual "substance". (the laws we believe we govern ourselves with, and their application and construction) Then for the grand finale when they realize their position has been destroyed, they throw in the towel blaming their opponent, when their opponent calls them on their subterfuge by refusing to redirect. yes on that point we agree, we are in fact done here, enjoy the british created violence based house of cards.

vincentML -> RE: LocknLoad March on Washington (5/13/2013 11:57:10 AM)
quote: yes on that point we agree, we are in fact done here, enjoy the british created violence based house of cards. [8\|]

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