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Again, funeral directors and morticians are typically not owners or even managers of cemeteries. Please stop implying they are.

By what I am reading here, then it would be wrong to ship the body back to his home country if that is what the family wanted to do. After all, they theoretically could decide that they wanted him buried in his homeland, where his grave could become a symbol for martyrdom.

While the family might want that - we also don't have to do it. He committed a criminal and terrorist act that resulted in 3 people's deaths according to the statements that his brother gave in the hospital. We are NOT required under International law to release his body to his family who are outside the U.S. No one anywhere in the world would argue that we are compelled to send him to his mother. So NO - the Jihadists do NOT get to make a martyr out him in Dagestan. They do not have that right (unless we are stupid enough to insist on sending the body to Dagestan). Again, why are we enabling the terrorists? A quick and quiet burial here in the U.S. with an unmarked grave, and let's get on to more important things.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Again, funeral directors and morticians are typically not owners or even managers of cemeteries. Please stop implying they are.

By what I am reading here, then it would be wrong to ship the body back to his home country if that is what the family wanted to do. After all, they theoretically could decide that they wanted him buried in his homeland, where his grave could become a symbol for martyrdom.

Why is this the decision of anyone but his next of kin? I'm not up to speed on the law as it relates to the remains of suspects (he was never convicted of anything) but doesn't the deceased become the property of the next of kin upon their death? If the family wants to bury him in his homeland is that not their right as long as they pay the tab? Bury the guy in an unmarked grave somewhere and be done with it. All this activity surrounding his burial (or lack of it) just extends his fifteen minutes of fame.

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Again, funeral directors and morticians are typically not owners or even managers of cemeteries. Please stop implying they are.

By what I am reading here, then it would be wrong to ship the body back to his home country if that is what the family wanted to do. After all, they theoretically could decide that they wanted him buried in his homeland, where his grave could become a symbol for martyrdom.

While the family might want that - we also don't have to do it. He committed a criminal and terrorist act that resulted in 3 people's deaths according to the statements that his brother gave in the hospital. We are NOT required under International law to release his body to his family who are outside the U.S. No one anywhere in the world would argue that we are compelled to send him to his mother. So NO - the Jihadists do NOT get to make a martyr out him in Dagestan. They do not have that right (unless we are stupid enough to insist on sending the body to Dagestan). Again, why are we enabling the terrorists? A quick and quiet burial here in the U.S. with an unmarked grave, and let's get on to more important things.

But you can't have it both ways. They HAVE released the body, so the family can ship him. If we can't refuse to bury him here, we also can't refuse to ship him to his homeland.

His being a "known" criminal/terrorist" is irrelevant now that he is dead.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Again, funeral directors and morticians are typically not owners or even managers of cemeteries. Please stop implying they are.

By what I am reading here, then it would be wrong to ship the body back to his home country if that is what the family wanted to do. After all, they theoretically could decide that they wanted him buried in his homeland, where his grave could become a symbol for martyrdom.

Why is this the decision of anyone but his next of kin? I'm not up to speed on the law as it relates to the remains of suspects (he was never convicted of anything) but doesn't the deceased become the property of the next of kin upon their death? If the family wants to bury him in his homeland is that not their right as long as they pay the tab? Bury the guy in an unmarked grave somewhere and be done with it. All this activity surrounding his burial (or lack of it) just extends his fifteen minutes of fame.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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Again, funeral directors and morticians are typically not owners or even managers of cemeteries. Please stop implying they are.

By what I am reading here, then it would be wrong to ship the body back to his home country if that is what the family wanted to do. After all, they theoretically could decide that they wanted him buried in his homeland, where his grave could become a symbol for martyrdom.

While the family might want that - we also don't have to do it. He committed a criminal and terrorist act that resulted in 3 people's deaths according to the statements that his brother gave in the hospital. We are NOT required under International law to release his body to his family who are outside the U.S. No one anywhere in the world would argue that we are compelled to send him to his mother. So NO - the Jihadists do NOT get to make a martyr out him in Dagestan. They do not have that right (unless we are stupid enough to insist on sending the body to Dagestan). Again, why are we enabling the terrorists? A quick and quiet burial here in the U.S. with an unmarked grave, and let's get on to more important things.

But you can't have it both ways. They HAVE released the body, so the family can ship him. If we can't refuse to bury him here, we also can't refuse to ship him to his homeland.

His being a "known" criminal/terrorist" is irrelevant now that he is dead.

There seems to be some confusion. The uncle who is here is trying to have the man buried here in the U.S. But he is having difficulty finding a cemetery willing to take the body. The uncle is NOT asking for the body to be sent to Dagestan. American people are asking for the body to be sent to Dagestan because they don't want the body in this country. And, I personally, feel that would be a mistake because it creates a media opportunity that is unnecessary.

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We are allowed to deal with criminals as we see fit. We don't owe his mother or people in Dagestan anything.

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No confusion at all. Responding directly to your post.

Here in the US, no cemetery HAS to take the body. Those that are privately owned (the majority) can discriminate to their hearts content. Those that are owned by the city (which apparently is at least one that is refusing) can do so as a matter of public policy not wanting to disturb the resting place of the other "residents."

However, the reality is that there are those here in the states who would be "sympathetic" to this man's "cause." They can just as easily make him a martyr here, which would be more disturbing.

The "15 minutes" is dying down, and we are seeing less and less about this (at least I'm not noticing as much in my feeds).

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I dont think anyone has said his mother or the people of Dagestan are owed anything.. has anyone said that???

I find the mother extremely irritating, a liar, an accused thief who skipped out and feel she is the one that radicalized her sons, at least in part.. Of course she went on about wanting her son to be brought back to Russia but didnt do a darn thing to try to make that happen.. I get the impression that she didnt want to pay the cost of that.. so I dont feel anyone owes her anything.. and I dont think the US/city should pay anything for his burial, or shipping it or anything either..

The US policy on (living) immigrant criminals is to throw them in jail until they have finished their time and then put them on a plane back where they came from.. that is how the US govt sees fit to deal with them.. this guy is dead, but he could have still been "deported".. I expect if he hadnt been claimed by the uncle, he would have gotten a paupers grave and that would be the end of it (& the cheapest way to go).. As it stands tho, he is the uncle's problem to deal with..

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I`d pee on his grave, given the chance.

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And if the family is not asking the body to be shipped overseas and WE insist that the body go, are you suggesting taxpayer money be used to ship this body overseas? We can't force the family to pay to ship the body overseas. In fact, I'm quite sure they don't have the money to do so. And since when do we burden a family of a criminal with additional unnecessary expense. Did we do this to the families of other criminals in the country? Tamerlan is the guilty party here. His uncle is not.

Again, I'm just looking at the practical considerations. If cemeteries are willing to bury other criminals (and they do - routinely - where do you think the bodies of other criminals in the U.S. that require burial go??? We outsource a lot of things, but I'm not aware of routine outsourcing of burial of criminals.) I'm simply asking for his body to be handled the way criminal's bodies are typically handled. Why should we do anything differently here, especially when doing something differently actually gives the terrorists a huge media opportunity? Talk about misguided.

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It is interesting to note that the city had to pay $50,000 in taxpayer money to keep the body sitting in the funeral home safely for 5 days - every day of burial delay cost the taxpayers $10,000. Again, how misguided was all of this when the same thing should have just been done 5 days ago?? People truly have no sense sometimes. People constantly complain about the way tax dollars are spent, but somehow, this is okay??? Just bizarre.

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And if the family is not asking the body to be shipped overseas and WE insist that the body go, are you suggesting taxpayer money be used to ship this body overseas? We can't force the family to pay to ship the body overseas. In fact, I'm quite sure they don't have the money to do so. And since when do we burden a family of a criminal with additional unnecessary expense. Did we do this to the families of other criminals in the country? Tamerlan is the guilty party here. His uncle is not.

Again, I'm just looking at the practical considerations. If cemeteries are willing to bury other criminals (and they do - routinely - where do you think the bodies of other criminals in the U.S. that require burial go??? We outsource a lot of things, but I'm not aware of routine outsourcing of burial of criminals.) I'm simply asking for his body to be handled the way criminal's bodies are typically handled. Why should we do anything differently here, especially when doing something differently actually gives the terrorists a huge media opportunity? Talk about misguided.

You are either intentionally trying to be argumentative (poorly doing it, I will add), or you have horrible reading comprehension.

Do you understand that once the body was released to the uncle, the expense to citizens ended regarding what to do with the body? I have repeatedly stated that you simply can't have it both ways. Yet, you continue to change what you are saying.

I'm over it.

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It is interesting to note that the city had to pay $50,000 in taxpayer money to keep the body sitting in the funeral home safely for 5 days - every day of burial delay cost the taxpayers $10,000. Again, how misguided was all of this when the same thing should have just been done 5 days ago?? People truly have no sense sometimes. People constantly complain about the way tax dollars are spent, but somehow, this is okay??? Just bizarre.

Again, is your reading comprehension faulting? I can't understand why you are intentionally trying to be misleading here.

The ten grand a day had nothing to do with "keeping the body sitting in the funeral home." It had to do with crowd control and the protesters.

Typically your posts at least make some sense. Here you have changed your "point" several times in an attempt to argue, and then posted the above in an attempt to further inflame people. What a waste.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

what about natural decomp.....