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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

The problem is not that I'm some sort of juvenile throwback Trek fan. The problem is the movie was bad.

Think about it. Why did Kirk join? How did he get on the ship? Why did he have to do that? How did he get thrown off the ship. What the fuck was Spock mark one doing on the planet Spock mark two marooned his first officer on? What the fuck was Scot doing, on the same planet? And why didn't Kirk reboot get beamed directly to the SAFE facility Scot #2 was semi- marooned on... ...for losing an admirals dog in a transporter (the idiotic genius!) instead of being set in front of several improbably large predators on a planet with no prey?. Excepting, of course, for the occasional wayward Star Fleet officer. And so on for the rest of the movie.

I am not saying the movie was bad because it 'didn't conform to canon' or because it 'could have been better'. I'm saying it was bad because it was bad. Bad in the sense of, even if the rest of the Trek cinema set had never existed, this movie, on the merits, is a gagger. It reminds of the time my stepmothers mother became offended because I had picked the fat out of my meat. And so of course I had to eat it. Or sit there the rest of the night. Of course, I puked all over the antique tablecloth.

I just could not swallow it. I seriously wonder about you guys who lapped it up. I wonder what you thought was good about it.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Some thing to consider.

In the Gene Roddenberry Star Trek universe:
Kirk was the youngest captain in Starfleet history ... after a mere 14 years of training.

In JJ Abrams version:

The rebooted Jim Kirk, meanwhile, is a drunken asshole who punched his way onto a Starfleet recruiting shuttle -- at the time of his whirlwind promotion, he'd only been in the academy for three years. Giving him the job is like sending Jason Statham to negotiate peace talks in the Green Zone. Putting that cowboy at the helm of Earth's humanitarian flagship is probably going to trigger more space wars than have ever been documented in the history of science fiction, even if the movie portrays the job as being mostly running down hallways and dangling off cliffs.

Now in any military organization, JJ Abrams version of Kirk would have been busted, discharged and possibly imprisoned for everything he did.

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ORIGINAL: stephINca

I personally have seen all the previous shows and movies. I do like the new ones. However I look at is as a different series for a different generation.
As for Star Wars I remember standing in a huge line the day Return of the Jedi came out. I don't think it will be the same without Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher but JJ has a unique eye. I look forward to see what he does with it.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: stephINca

I personally have seen all the previous shows and movies. I do like the new ones. However I look at is as a different series for a different generation.
As for Star Wars I remember standing in a huge line the day Return of the Jedi came out. I don't think it will be the same without Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher but JJ has a unique eye. I look forward to see what he does with it.

Just as long as Jar-Jar and the entire Gungan race are never mentioned again.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: stephINca

I personally have seen all the previous shows and movies. I do like the new ones. However I look at is as a different series for a different generation.
As for Star Wars I remember standing in a huge line the day Return of the Jedi came out. I don't think it will be the same without Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher but JJ has a unique eye. I look forward to see what he does with it.

Just as long as Jar-Jar and the entire Gungan race are never mentioned again.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I never watched 'Lost'. But the premise of telling George what (will) work and what won't is a good one. The biggest problem with SW is that he never carried over the overall atmosphere of the first one. There was just something "right" about that movie that resonated, and while artists may say they can't catch lightning in a bottle twice, he could have done much better, especially with the prequels. TESB was damn good, ROTJ was weaker, but still head and shoulders above the prequels.

What I don't get is, he had the money and the support of the studio, why didn't he keep it rolling then, instead of waiting all this time? (I know he sold it to the Haus of Maus, but still...) He can't say it was 'waiting for the technology to catch up, he could always retcon the films as needed. He didn't even have to do anything other than delegate it off, because frankly, he's a wooden director in my opinion. He could have rolled that franchise until it was dust if he so chose, and using the established characters to boot.

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I never watched 'Lost'. But the premise of telling George what (will) work and what won't is a good one. The biggest problem with SW is that he never carried over the overall atmosphere of the first one. There was just something "right" about that movie that resonated, and while artists may say they can't catch lightning in a bottle twice, he could have done much better, especially with the prequels. TESB was damn good, ROTJ was weaker, but still head and shoulders above the prequels.

What I don't get is, he had the money and the support of the studio, why didn't he keep it rolling then, instead of waiting all this time? (I know he sold it to the Haus of Maus, but still...) He can't say it was 'waiting for the technology to catch up, he could always retcon the films as needed. He didn't even have to do anything other than delegate it off, because frankly, he's a wooden director in my opinion. He could have rolled that franchise until it was dust if he so chose, and using the established characters to boot.

Episodes 4-6 were just fantastic. It's a pity that George Lucas never got the funding to make episodes 1-3.

*Pats .38 special in drawer* I said, "It is such a pity that episodes 1-3 were never made."

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

And just because I can, I'll leave this for you to ponder...

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ORIGINAL: njlauren
I thought it was a lot of fun, which last I checked, is what a movie is about. I wasn't going to see a reboot of War and Piece, I was going to see a new take on a schlocky, lovable tv series to quote William Shatner "it was something I did on a lark". It was seeing an old friend in new light, it had humor, and it was campy, too (I loved in the first one where Nero is talking to Pike, it was almost like some metrosexual saying "Hi Chris, It's Nero, let's do lunch" *lol*. I thing it had its tongue planted firmly in cheek, which I enjoyed, and I liked Kirk as a sardonic punk, and Keith Urban's McCoy got me. It was a good yarn, not perfect, but I didn't really care...and a lot in the old ST was unbelievable, too, but didn't care then, either.

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ORIGINAL: njlauren
Same was true of TOS, though, Kirk was always breaking the rules..unlike Picard, who had the British uptightness about the prime directive, Jim Kirk was always in trouble..time travel violations, breaking Star Fleet rules, insubordinate to superiors, guy broke the rules all the time...hell, he got a medal for the Kyobashi Maru scenario according to Star Trek II...when he cheated! The argument about Kirk was he had the DNA to do the right thing, and mavericks have always existed, who do things no one ever has done;).

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I never watched 'Lost'. But the premise of telling George what (will) work and what won't is a good one. The biggest problem with SW is that he never carried over the overall atmosphere of the first one. There was just something "right" about that movie that resonated, and while artists may say they can't catch lightning in a bottle twice, he could have done much better, especially with the prequels. TESB was damn good, ROTJ was weaker, but still head and shoulders above the prequels.

What I don't get is, he had the money and the support of the studio, why didn't he keep it rolling then, instead of waiting all this time? (I know he sold it to the Haus of Maus, but still...) He can't say it was 'waiting for the technology to catch up, he could always retcon the films as needed. He didn't even have to do anything other than delegate it off, because frankly, he's a wooden director in my opinion. He could have rolled that franchise until it was dust if he so chose, and using the established characters to boot.

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather
This is frikkin America, where anything is target for reboot, or remake or whatever

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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather
This is frikkin America, where anything is target for reboot, or remake or whatever

Waiting for the remake of:
- Gone with the wind.
- Citizen Kane.

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I never watched 'Lost'. But the premise of telling George what (will) work and what won't is a good one. The biggest problem with SW is that he never carried over the overall atmosphere of the first one. There was just something "right" about that movie that resonated, and while artists may say they can't catch lightning in a bottle twice, he could have done much better, especially with the prequels. TESB was damn good, ROTJ was weaker, but still head and shoulders above the prequels.

What I don't get is, he had the money and the support of the studio, why didn't he keep it rolling then, instead of waiting all this time? (I know he sold it to the Haus of Maus, but still...) He can't say it was 'waiting for the technology to catch up, he could always retcon the films as needed. He didn't even have to do anything other than delegate it off, because frankly, he's a wooden director in my opinion. He could have rolled that franchise until it was dust if he so chose, and using the established characters to boot.

George Lucas specifically has it in his contract that anyone openly criticizing him gets taken out back and summarily shot for insubordination

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I never watched 'Lost'. But the premise of telling George what (will) work and what won't is a good one. The biggest problem with SW is that he never carried over the overall atmosphere of the first one. There was just something "right" about that movie that resonated, and while artists may say they can't catch lightning in a bottle twice, he could have done much better, especially with the prequels. TESB was damn good, ROTJ was weaker, but still head and shoulders above the prequels.

What I don't get is, he had the money and the support of the studio, why didn't he keep it rolling then, instead of waiting all this time? (I know he sold it to the Haus of Maus, but still...) He can't say it was 'waiting for the technology to catch up, he could always retcon the films as needed. He didn't even have to do anything other than delegate it off, because frankly, he's a wooden director in my opinion. He could have rolled that franchise until it was dust if he so chose, and using the established characters to boot.

George Lucas specifically has it in his contract that anyone openly criticizing him gets taken out back and summarily shot for insubordination

Nonsense! That is completely unenforceable in any jurisdiction. Hold on, there's someone at the door....+++carrier lost++++