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IRS special prosecutor


A special prosecutor is needed, and one will be appointed
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A special prosecutor is needed, but it won't happen
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No special prosecutor is needed, and there won't be one
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No special prosecutor is needed, but there will be one anyway
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IRS special prosecutor - 5/16/2013 8:30:34 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		The President doesn't think we need a special prosecutor for the IRS scandal. I suspect others in our government are going to disagree. What say you?

The poll covers both opinion, and prognostication. Will we, and should we.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/16/2013 8:50:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		A special prosecuter for what? Somebody in the civil service got partisan, and that person should be found and fired, and some policy put in place to make sure the investigations are more equal-opportunity in the future. Not sure why we need a special prosecuter to do that.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 12:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aren't there more important things for our government to be focusing on, like the impeachment hearings over the Obama 'Kill Whitey' video?


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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 2:43:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah they need to put Kenneth Starr on it. Maybe he can waste a $100 million tax dollars this time trying to tie some guys in an IRS office in Ohio to the President.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 5:21:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		My vote was the 2nd vote for "Not needed, but will anyway."

The IRS thing is a clear example of how partisan politics happen in DC. I'm not convinced Obama had anything to do with it. I would require a lot of very clear connections to Obama to believe it. Was it someone in his Administration? Could have been. Should that person be relieved of duty? Bet your ass he/she should. And, so should any down the line that signed off on the "orders." Did this extend past the IRS? Maybe, maybe not.

I heard a rumor that the Administration and media knew this shit about this time last year, and the only reason it's coming up now, is that the election is over. Could be true. Could be false. Would it have made an impact in the election? I highly doubt it.

So, is a special prosecutor really necessary? No, but since when has that stopped the Federal Government?

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 6:03:31 AM   
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The real scandal is that political groups used an erroneous 1995 IRS misinterpretation of the Tax Exempt Law to shield their membership donor rolls. IRS employees are being punished for applying this misinterpretation of the Law.

The Law in question 26USC 501(c)(4) identifies social welfare organizations which may qualify for tax exempt status as follows:

(4)
(A)Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees, the membership of which is limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.

(B)Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to an entity unless no part of the net earnings of such entity inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.

However, IRS regulations interpreted the Law in 1995 Reg. 1.501(c)(4)-1(a)(2)(i) provides that an organization is operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare if it is primarily engaged in promoting in some way the common good and general welfare of the people of the community, i.e., primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterment and social improvements. Whether an organization is "primarily" engaged in promoting social welfare is a "facts and circumstances" test.

The IRS Reg interpreted "exculsively" as "primarily." An overgenerous interpretation of the tax exempt Law by the Regs lead IRS inspectors to have to delve into every political organization trying to gain tax exempt status. In 2010 there were apparently a whole hell of a lot of Tea Party groups applying for such status compared to left leaning groups. Hence the seeming unfair slant taken by IRS inspectors.

A waste of man-hours by the IRS. Probably, none of these groups should have been allowed to gain tax exempt status. There really is no there there. The GOP is using these bogus scandals to avoid governing and to block any accomplishment in the President's second term.

Perhaps I have this wrong. If so, please document it.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 6:15:42 AM   
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Aren't there more important things for our government to be focusing on, like the impeachment hearings over the Obama 'Kill Whitey' video?




I must have missed that one. Got a link?

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 6:31:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Strassel: The IRS Scandal Started at the Top

So what is the President going to say? That everybody should have known that every word out of his mouth was just empty rhetoric?

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 7:25:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I expect the President wont say shit to imbeciles, but the point would be that a Bush appointee (and confirmed by most of the people in the legislature) decided to stick it to this administration by conspiratorially covering this up, and orchestrating it.

So, he should be shot, as well as the legislature of those confirmation votes should be hung and pissed on.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 7:59:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Liberal groups were also targeted but it seems only the cons have butt-hurt......but when don`t they?


I`m sure there`ll be hearings....as there should.


A SP would be blatant abusive partisanship and the AG knows that.


The narrative that everything good or bad in America that happens................. comes directly from the executive branch is a bit soft headed.


Sophisticated folks know the world doesn`t operate like that.


But.....if there`s evidence(real evidence,not make up crap like Bengahazi)that the president was involved in a crime and cover-up.....like bush`s Plamegate treason crimes......then there should be a SP.









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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 8:57:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Strassel: The IRS Scandal Started at the Top

So what is the President going to say? That everybody should have known that every word out of his mouth was just empty rhetoric?

Strassel suggests the President indirectly directed the IRS to clamp down on opposition groups with his campaign rhetoric. Equating rhetoric with implied orders. Here is the kind of evidence Strassel hangs his hat upon:

In case the IRS missed his point, he raised the threat of illegality: "All around this country there are groups with harmless-sounding names like Americans for Prosperity, who are running millions of dollars of ads against Democratic candidates . . . And they don't have to say who exactly the Americans for Prosperity are. You don't know if it's a foreign-controlled corporation."

Well, actually, thanks to Citizens United we don't know if the contributions come from foreign controlled corporations. Strassel can't take a little truth-telling by the President. We are to believe the President's campaign rhetoric is marching orders for federal employees. Stay tuned, folks, the conspiracy blooms. Don your tin hats.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 1:49:57 PM   
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It's getting thicker.



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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 1:55:34 PM   
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It's getting thicker.



That was embarrasing. A Congressman who doesn't even understand that the IRS has multiple offices. If that is how well informed the Ways and Means Committee are about how the federal agency they directly supervise I wonder how they are supposed to deal with anything.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 2:47:25 PM   
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The real scandal is allowing political groups to apply for tax exempt status as social welfare organizations.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 6:06:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Strassel: The IRS Scandal Started at the Top

So what is the President going to say? That everybody should have known that every word out of his mouth was just empty rhetoric?

Strassel's wasting her talents on writing. Given her stretching ability, she could make a fortune teaching yoga.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 6:33:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes we need one.... The worse thing that the Obama administration could do is to delay a full investigation...needed or not. How many times have we seen an administration drag its feet or try to hide some potentially damaging political snafu only to have it blow up in their face. The IRS was dead wrong...face it ...fix it...and move on to more important matters... Don't give the Republicans more ammo for the next election.

Damn what is so complicated about saying and meaning we will get to the bottom of this with a bipartisan commission and independence prosecutor?

Don't hide anything... don't make it political... If appropriate punish those that broke the law or fire those that set this policy in motion if it was not against the law...Just make sure it does not happen again and do your best to restore the integrity of the IRS and by doing so the administrations integrity.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/17/2013 7:11:22 PM   
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It's getting thicker.





Thanks for the clip, Yachtie.

The absolutely worst thing the Democrats and liberals, even those most devoted to sucking President Obama's balls, can do is to try and pretend that this isn't a scandal that goes beyond partisan differences.



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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/18/2013 7:50:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		The usual nutsuckers are in the minneapolis airport bathroom on this one, as usual.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/18/2013 10:30:32 AM   
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Someone hasn't had this kind of feel-good buzz since Obama's first debate.

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RE: IRS special prosecutor - 5/18/2013 10:37:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The usual nutsuckers are in the minneapolis airport bathroom on this one, as usual.



Thanks for such a productive, well thought out, and helpful reply, Ron...


This is about abuse of power by an agency that holds an incredible amount of it, and the response we are seeing from some seems to be missing the point.

The entire Obama agenda, the foundation on which his whole vision of hope and change is built, requires that the people have faith and trust in their government. The revelations from the IRS seriously undermine that.

The worst thing anyone who wants to see the Obama/liberal agenda succeed can do is suggest that tyranny such as has been displayed is nothing worth noticing (not including the fringe police state fans who are all in for such behavior), and hot on the heels of that, is insisting that we should all be happy with whatever the administration that brought it to us decides to tell us about.

The IRS scandal needs outside eyes. I think it will get them. Those outside eyes can also be abused, as we saw in the travesty inflicted on Clinton. To avoid a repeat of that, I think it would be better for the country if there is bipartisan consensus in the process, right from the start, leaving the extremist douchebags without any weight to pull at the table, when the details get worked out.



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