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BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 2:55:56 AM   
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I have never really had any trouble dealing with vanilla people before concerning my submissive nature.Most people don't really view it as a big deal and most people feel whatever makes someone happy,then more power to them.My problem isn't dealing with the people in everyday society.My problem is dealing with my brother about this.This isn't really something I talk about around family.Especially around my brother.

I have been in a good number of Fem-Dom videos before.So,I know my face is out there.Its not usually something I just mention to my neighbors or friends unless someone brings it up or I feel they won't freak out..Many peopled don't care.The only person that ever makes a big deal about my fetish life is my brother.Its not because he has ethics and cares about my well being.Rather,because he a very intolerable person.He likes to make fun of people and argue a lot.He has done this to many people over the years for any kind of reasons.Thus he's burned a lot of bridges along the path of "friendship".However,its not that easy for me because he is,after all,my brother.Although personality wise,if he wasn't my brother,I would never have anything to do with someone like that otherwise.

Not all of my family is this way.My mother is actually very supportive of who I am.Her attitude is whatever makes her son happy.She has even suggested to me before that I should find a Mistress,since it seems that is what makes me happy.My father knows what I do.His attitude is he doesn't care.He's not for it or against it,his attitude is "whatever".I dont'even mind that.At least he's not insulting about it.Only my brother is like that.

My question is how do I deal with this?I don't think I am being unreasonable here.This isn't the typical sibling arguments.I am not one who likes to argue and I try to avoid it.However,my brother knows the wrong buttons to push.I have been listening to him insulting me about my fetish for years now.I just shrug it off but it does get old after awhile.I try my best to keep my cool around him.He has a reputation for arguing with people.When he threatened my mom,that was the boiling point for me.Thank goodness I only have one brother but I hate to say it but I almost wish I had no siblings at all.I don't mean to rant.Please,I just need some help on this.I do not want to let anyone get the better of my judgement.I dont' know where else to turn.I try to think rational and commonsense.I am human though and I do my best not to let my emotions get the best of me.But also as a human being,there does come a point where enough is enough.Thank you.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 3:42:46 AM   
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When you hit that point , you tell him to back off, shut the fuck up and give him an ultimatum. And stick to it, unless he apologises. If he is that toxic, you don't need him in your life.

If you only see him on food holidays, ignore him and wait for him to go away. There isn't anything that says we have to associate with ANY of our relatives, especially if they are obnoxious.

Of course, if divorcing him isn't an option, for what ever reason, when he starts digging at you, leave the room! You don't have to listen to him. You don't have to react to him. Heck , you don't even have to be in the same room as him. And if anyone wants to know why you keep leaving the room, tell them. Since they know your brother, they probably have an idea of whats going on.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 3:49:52 AM   
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I've had a *lot* of experience dealing with toxic family. You need to have a long discussion with yourself along the lines of 'I love my brother, but there are some things I can't share with him b/c if who he is. Because of that, I need to set some boundaries." Kiwi gave you some great examples.

It's hard to break away from toxic family if you have to see them all the time. Work hard on not having to do this. Your life will get so much better. I've been there, and I know.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 5:17:22 AM   
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You have to decide where your personal boundaries lie with people those boundaries change and are different for different people and circumstances.

Make those boundaries known.

Make the consequences of not respecting those boundaries known.

Enforce your boundaries and the consequences if necessary.

For ME if someone doesn't respect my personal boundaries they don't respect me and I refuse to have people in my life who don't respect me. Being blood related doesn't give someone a pass on that.





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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 6:14:55 AM   
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I agree with all of the above from everyone else.

I've had a sibling that made my life hell for years (well, since birth). I came to a point where I broke it down, told it like it was, the reaction wasn't pretty. After that, I ceased all communication. Blood or not, I don't need that stress in my life. Nobody does.

And, I felt soooo much better.

It had taken a few years, but my sibling made some changes in their life and became a much more positive person. After contacting me and apologizing for all the shitiness, we now speak albeit not as much. It'll get there.
Your brother may never come around, but he may. Sometimes, it takes a (figurative) kick in the ass to realize how their actions affect those around them.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 6:16:02 AM   
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You could do what I did once. I was always trying to keep the peace, listening to nonsense from my brother, stating his opinion, sarcastic condescending remarks at all family gathers. He didn't know when to stop, but before I let myself go into explosion mode I would think for years " Its not worth it, don't ruin the holiday, think of mom"

Well one thanksgiving I had enough. He made fun of everything I would say about helping someone, insulting the individual etc. I finally had had enough! IT did cross my mind thinking I was going to ruin the holiday, but mine had been ruined every year from my silence. SO I had a fit! I threw the utensil into the mashed potatoes, slammed my plate against the table with each word I spoke. Stood up, and as I did the chair went flying and I flounced off into the garage. He and his family left, my mother said she thought it was best. YES I DID RUIN THANKSGIVING, and things were not great for awhile. All that is in the past now, and we have family gatherings but one thing has changed. There is no more insults at the dinner table. I actually enjoy holidays now.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 6:42:01 AM   
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quote:

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I have been in a good number of Fem-Dom videos before.So,I know my face is out there.Its not usually something I just mention to my neighbors or friends unless someone brings it up or I feel they won't freak out..Many peopled don't care.
As you are who you are, there is no shame in that whatsoever, and you have been more public than most, I imagine you are able to have a conversation about your lifestyle if someone brings it up, without salacious details.

quote:

The only person that ever makes a big deal about my fetish life is my brother.Its not because he has ethics and cares about my well being.Rather,because he a very intolerable person.He likes to make fun of people and argue a lot.He has done this to many people over the years for any kind of reasons.Thus he's burned a lot of bridges along the path of "friendship".However,its not that easy for me because he is,after all,my brother.Although personality wise,if he wasn't my brother,I would never have anything to do with someone like that otherwise.

My question is how do I deal with this?
Your brother makes a big deal out of this, because you make a big deal out of this IMO. If you are living your life, mostly in private, with your mate, it should be no one's business how you go about that, and the details of your relationship. If you feel like speaking of the details of your private life, find a few great friends, develop a good trust, and become great friends.

How to deal with your brother? Don't! He is your brother, but there is no "must be best friends clause." You're smarter than this; I don't even know why you would have more than 1--2 conversations with him about being submissive, in a relationship, and the details within that. Be friends with your brother if you need to, but make an agreement between you two, that there will be no conversations/opinions/remarks regarding one another's partner's or private relationships.
If he cannot be respectful of you, and your relationship, why would you keep him around meddling?! Talk a few times a year, and move on. M

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 7:01:30 AM   
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ITs a little late, but explaining to some people family or no family about the lifestyle is a big mistake. Being socially different, and opening yourself up for some reason, makes others feel they want to try to change you to make you normal. LOL. Its to complicated for me to want to explain it to others, and some you just know will go " OMG!!!" Its basically none of their business anyway, and it easier for me to just say if I do want to share, is " I find a strong leading man, who calls the shots, very attractive" IF I was domly I think I would just say " I prefer someone who lets me lead"
Too much info, in my experience, has been a mistake.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 7:57:30 AM   
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Some people just like arguments for the sake of it. I avoid them. I want radiators, not drains. No rows. No criticism, No negativity. Those in our large family who are most negative I simply reduce the amount of contact and just grim and bear it on holidays with them.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 7:57:33 AM   
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Set limits. If you only meet at your parents, tell your parents that if they allow him to do this to you in their home, that you'll leave. Tell him that you have no interest in interacting with a bigot and you will not stay to be abused. Make it clear to your parents that as they're not telling him not to do this, that they're choosing him over you.

If you met privately, don't do that any more. Hang up if he calls you and starts this.

The most important thing here is to use the same phrase every time. "I refuse to stay here and be insulted. When and if I am treated with respect I will stay". Then get up and leave or hang up the phone. It has to be the exact same words every time or they don't get it through their heads. So pick a phrase, write it down and memorize it.

Most importantly, remember that you are not submissive to him. Stop acting that way.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 9:06:44 AM   
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I do agree,I probably am a lot more open about who I am than a lot of people are.I accept the fact that everyone has a right to their opinion and freedom of speech.I don't really let people bother me anyways.The fact is,I've never really had a major issue dealing with people in general about this.Most people either don't care and many are always curious.I don't mind answering questions as long as its in a civil manner.I'm amazed at how some people react very kindly actually.Just that one annoying bug on my shoulder.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 9:16:24 AM   
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I have had a lot of experience dealing with family but mostly with parenting. It's amazig how pissed family gets when people choose a different path. It seems like they take it personally. Responses for your lifestyle are very similar for us who dare to parent different then our family. Reassure them your choices have been researched and you know what you are doing and you will not discuss this with them. Look them in the eye and say simply "I want us to have a
good relationship.Let's not discuss this anymore. If you bring it up, I will leave the room. Don't confuse setting boundaries with trying to convince
someone of the rightness of your choices.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 9:42:55 AM   
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I'm open about being kinky...but am selective about with whom and what I say. I'm out to my family, but only with the barest minimum of information. I never initiate a conversation. I went away to a kink event one weekend and when my mother asked where I was going, I said "to a leather event" and we left it at that.

When I was looking for a partner, I would discuss details with my girlfriends who live vicariously through me, but always told my mother I met men on OKCupid and never brought kink into the convo.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 9:46:55 AM   
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charles,

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The only person that ever makes a big deal about my fetish life is my brother.Its not because he has ethics and cares about my well being.Rather,because he a very intolerable person.He likes to make fun of people and argue a lot.He has done this to many people over the years for any kind of reasons.


Stop taking what he does personally.
He likes to argue and engages in that behavior with lots of other people.


He really isn't tearing down your kink, because then kink would be the issue.
You already know that kink is not the issue; if you weren't kinky he would be picking on something else about you, because that is how he is.

IF you are able to it then I would just ignore him when he does that.
If he is doing it to get an argument then don't give him the reward of an argument.

IF you can not ignore then all the external boundary setting applies.
But then you need to set them and not move them.

Ignoring him is still setting a boundary btw - it is just setting an internal boundary that you will not engage with him when he behaves that way.



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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 11:52:49 AM   
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I think you've received some really good advice.

I'm all for removing toxic people out of your life when possible. When there isn't a reason to keep a destructive person associated with you, boot them.

With family, it's not as easy because you obviously have a person that is important to both of you. (Your mom.) Since removal isn't possible in that situation, set the ground rules for limiting the toxic part. Be sure that your mother knows that it isn't being done to hurt her in any way. Just that you are trying to maintain a healthy atmosphere for everyone.

You have to do your part, too. If you don't want your brother nailing you about your lifestyle, don't bring up those topics when you are in his company. This isn't hiding who you are. Your family is already aware of your lifestyle. At the same time, your family probably isn't talking about their sex life at the dinner table, either. That way, you're not providing the brother with more ammo and opportunity.


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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 12:10:51 PM   
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Everyone has given you great advice. You don't have to put up with your brother's shit just because he is your brother. I speak from personal experience on this one. It's okay to set clear and healthy boundaries for yourself with him and its totally okay to step back from him if he cannot respect your boundaries. A very matter-of-fact "I love you, but Im not going to allow you to treat me this way. I'll be here when you can respect me" works. That and sticking to your guns as far as how you will allow him to treat you.

You kind of have to. Toxic people have this way of sucking you down in their sludge if you let them. It sucks when it's your family doing it, but there is no sense in allowing anyone...blood or not...to make you feel miserable and unhappy

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 12:22:55 PM   
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Wow.. I went to a totally different place. Dude, your brother threatened your mom and you want advice on how to make nice-nice?

Kick his ass. One good ass-kicking and he'll leave you the fuck alone and won't be threatening your mom any more.

Or, I suppose you could go the group intervention route. If the whole family is aware of his behavior (he threatened your mom and did everyone just tolerate that???), then unite and sit his ass down and lay it on the line.

Good luck to you and to your family dealing with this Charles.

I still think you should kick his ass though. No body should be threatening your mom.







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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 12:57:54 PM   
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Wow.. I went to a totally different place. Dude, your brother threatened your mom and you want advice on how to make nice-nice?

Kick his ass. One good ass-kicking and he'll leave you the fuck alone and won't be threatening your mom any more.

Or, I suppose you could go the group intervention route. If the whole family is aware of his behavior (he threatened your mom and did everyone just tolerate that???), then unite and sit his ass down and lay it on the line.

Good luck to you and to your family dealing with this Charles.

I still think you should kick his ass though. No body should be threatening your mom.



I read that as the brother threatening to tell his Mom about the kink. Which is it, Charles??


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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 1:36:11 PM   
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You could do what I did once. I was always trying to keep the peace, listening to nonsense from my brother, stating his opinion, sarcastic condescending remarks at all family gathers. He didn't know when to stop, but before I let myself go into explosion mode I would think for years " Its not worth it, don't ruin the holiday, think of mom"

Well one thanksgiving I had enough. He made fun of everything I would say about helping someone, insulting the individual etc. I finally had had enough! IT did cross my mind thinking I was going to ruin the holiday, but mine had been ruined every year from my silence. SO I had a fit! I threw the utensil into the mashed potatoes, slammed my plate against the table with each word I spoke. Stood up, and as I did the chair went flying and I flounced off into the garage. He and his family left, my mother said she thought it was best. YES I DID RUIN THANKSGIVING, and things were not great for awhile. All that is in the past now, and we have family gatherings but one thing has changed. There is no more insults at the dinner table. I actually enjoy holidays now.


My sister used to come in from out of state and during her visit would start doing that to me. Funny how family will try to shove responsibility for ruining a holiday onto their victim, as an emotional blackmail for them not to retaliate in kind. One year I just looked at my mom and sister after my sis had verbally disemboweled me and mom had jumped in with that "Let's not ruin the holiday" and I just stopped walking with them from the car to the mall and said that the holiday visit is ALREADY ruined, for ME; but by all means let Cathy continue to have a great time. We took separate vehicles after that.

These people...are who they are and we cannot reason with them or try to educate them; they feel justified and "holier than thou", and their emotional sadism needs a target.

My nice side says to ignore him (like he's not even there in the room). My self-protective side says to make this a hard limit, and let everyone know in advance that if he starts in on you and the host/hostess doesn't call him out on it and/or make him leave that you will get up and leave.

From my dark side I'll add... Hire a detective to dig up some dirt on him. Barring that, go out of your way to remember everything that ever happened to him in school or whatever that he would find humiliating. Get info from friends and family, if there's not enough good stuff then make some of it up, things he wouldn't know for sure about. And then when he is having fun at your expense, rest your chin on your elbow and stare at him, smiling bigger and bigger the more he takes center stage. Then start laughing. When others ask what's funny, say "I'm sorry, but whenever he acts like a complete jerk I lighten the mood by remembering that time when..." (and drag something humiliating out of his closet. Make him afraid of trying to publicly humiliate you.)

If he had some one night stand or fling with someone in high school or college...who gave him crabs or the clap...yep, you knew the people who talked her into sleeping with him while she was still infected and you guys laughed your asses off about it...and took bets on how long it would take for him to feel some discomfort. That time you guys went to the movie theater and he snitched your popcorn...you and your girlfriend were laughing hysterically about it later on because...you had cut a hole in the bottom and had inserted your dick, and those times when your girlfriend was reaching for popcorn, she was really wanking you off. That butter stuff in the popcorn...wasn't all butter...

Those movies you made...are just proof that you had all kinds of wild kinky sex with many lovely women. Tell him to stop watching your old porn movies, that it makes you uncomfortable and squicks you out.

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RE: BDSM and dealing with family - 5/23/2013 1:44:38 PM   
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quote:

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You could do what I did once. I was always trying to keep the peace, listening to nonsense from my brother, stating his opinion, sarcastic condescending remarks at all family gathers. He didn't know when to stop, but before I let myself go into explosion mode I would think for years " Its not worth it, don't ruin the holiday, think of mom"

Well one thanksgiving I had enough. He made fun of everything I would say about helping someone, insulting the individual etc. I finally had had enough! IT did cross my mind thinking I was going to ruin the holiday, but mine had been ruined every year from my silence. SO I had a fit! I threw the utensil into the mashed potatoes, slammed my plate against the table with each word I spoke. Stood up, and as I did the chair went flying and I flounced off into the garage. He and his family left, my mother said she thought it was best. YES I DID RUIN THANKSGIVING, and things were not great for awhile. All that is in the past now, and we have family gatherings but one thing has changed. There is no more insults at the dinner table. I actually enjoy holidays now.


My sister used to come in from out of state and during her visit would start doing that to me. Funny how family will try to shove responsibility for ruining a holiday onto their victim, as an emotional blackmail for them not to retaliate in kind. One year I just looked at my mom and sister after my sis had verbally disemboweled me and mom had jumped in with that "Let's not ruin the holiday" and I just stopped walking with them from the car to the mall and said that the holiday visit is ALREADY ruined, for ME; but by all means let Cathy continue to have a great time. We took separate vehicles after that.

These people...are who they are and we cannot reason with them or try to educate them; they feel justified and "holier than thou", and their emotional sadism needs a target.

My nice side says to ignore him (like he's not even there in the room). My self-protective side says to make this a hard limit, and let everyone know in advance that if he starts in on you and the host/hostess doesn't call him out on it and/or make him leave that you will get up and leave.

From my dark side I'll add... Hire a detective to dig up some dirt on him. Barring that, go out of your way to remember everything that ever happened to him in school or whatever that he would find humiliating. Get info from friends and family, if there's not enough good stuff then make some of it up, things he wouldn't know for sure about. And then when he is having fun at your expense, rest your chin on your elbow and stare at him, smiling bigger and bigger the more he takes center stage. Then start laughing. When others ask what's funny, say "I'm sorry, but whenever he acts like a complete jerk I lighten the mood by remembering that time when..." (and drag something humiliating out of his closet. Make him afraid of trying to publicly humiliate you.)

If he had some one night stand or fling with someone in high school or college...who gave him crabs or the clap...yep, you knew the people who talked her into sleeping with him while she was still infected and you guys laughed your asses off about it...and took bets on how long it would take for him to feel some discomfort. That time you guys went to the movie theater and he snitched your popcorn...you and your girlfriend were laughing hysterically about it later on because...you had cut a hole in the bottom and had inserted your dick, and those times when your girlfriend was reaching for popcorn, she was really wanking you off. That butter stuff in the popcorn...wasn't all butter...

Those movies you made...are just proof that you had all kinds of wild kinky sex with many lovely women. Tell him to stop watching your old porn movies, that it makes you uncomfortable and squicks you out.



HAHAHAHAHAHA............MY GOD........that ought to do it! I do have some dirt, now puts my chin in my hand, and dreams of a sadistic pay back. lol. Those thoughts have crossed my mind in the past before I threw my fit, but Im a puss, I didn't want to hurt anyones feelings to much. I was more interested in it just stopping. But I will keep that in mind if there is a next time
BTW good for you for sticking up for yourself!

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