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njlauren -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/24/2013 9:37:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail yeah? why? what are the chances of interest rates declining? got stats? cuz they are going up. This is a corporate welfare grab by the craven servile corpitulators. http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield Currently, 10-year T-notes are running at 2.02%. Adding 2.5% to that, you get 4.52%. Gradplus would be 6.52%. Current fixed rate is 6.8% and 7.9% for Gradplus. Rates will go up, and can also come down. Rates have not always been this low, have they? every time interest rates go down the other side to that equation forces an increase in inflation. Only if there is demand. We have had record low interest rates, the federal overnight rate was at 0% up until not long ago, and yet we have had no significant inflation caused by the low interest rates. Food prices have gone up because of global demand for food, but it would happen if the overnight rate was 5%, instead of near 0, oil and gas prices are going up because of global demand, health care prices are going up because of an aging population and an inefficient system, but little of it is due to interest rates. I doubt they are going to go lower. The 30 year T note rate is the basis for figuring out other rates, the yield on those notes is determined by what the notes trade at; as the price goes up, because of demand, the yield drops, if the demand drops the price drops and the yield goes up. That rate won't go much lower, for the fact that there isn't demand to buy the notes to bring the yields lower. If the economy picks up real steam, then rates will be going up, even if the fed doesn't jump the overnight rates and such.

mnottertail -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/25/2013 7:06:41 AM)
What Is the Worst School System in America? ^^^ there is the screaming impugning headline...of Yellow Journalism (you can usually tell when it is punctuated by a question mark that it is gonna be yellow journalism, like Faux Nuze and other teabagger blogs do religiously) Detroit has been participating in the NAEP test but this is the first time the city's individual results have been reported. Sixty-nine percent of Detroit children scored below basic level on fourth grade math and 77 percent of Detroit eighth graders scored below basic. ... The state appointed emergency financial manager Robert Bobb said no school district in the 40 year history of the test has ever registered such low number. Never been reported in the 40 year history but this once in 40 years it has registered a low number? The headline does not match the article, nor does it call attention to any factual information in any detail that would explain this in fair minded terms. In the midst of the depression? With everyone moving out for reasons that are not associated with wolverine stupidity. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124813472753066949.html Sort it on percentile rank, but it looks like more than Detroit got problems and it aint got bottom rung. https://www.mischooldata.org/DistrictSchoolProfiles/ReportCard/TopToBottomRanking/TopToBottomRankingList.aspx And it looks like a much larger toilet than Detroit in any case: http://www.freep.com/article/20130422/NEWS15/304220110/Snyder-Education-system-in-Michigan-U-S-is-broken The legislature of course is pretty solid republican and has been for years. (I would call this a red state).

Aswad -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/25/2013 3:57:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Speaking about "Smarter Solutions for Students", I read an article a while ago about American students going to other countries for their education and it costing at least half less than what they would pay in the US.. [8\|] Yeah, but an interesting question is: how many of them move back, after having experienced what other countries are like? I mean, my impression from e.g. Jeff is that he'd never care to move back, now that he's had a taste of Canada. IWYW, — Aswad

RottenJohnny -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/25/2013 4:49:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail What Is the Worst School System in America? A provocative headline, I agree. But yellow journalism? I think that's a stretch.

cloudboy -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/25/2013 4:59:28 PM)
I read today that Tea Party support has plummeted since the crisis behind it (the economic meltdown) has waned. Only 10% of Americans support the movement now. An April 2012 Associated Press report included a finding from Theda Skocpol, a Harvard professor, that the number of Tea Party groups had fallen from about 1,000 to about 600. And a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week found that the portion of people saying they strongly support the Tea Party, just 10 percent, was the lowest they had recorded since 2011. ---- To support your general theory, I read this today: strategic ignorance. Maybe the same Congressman introduced the bill. In an age when knowledge is power, restricting knowledge is a power grab, creating the conditions of ignorance that allow bias, ideology and propaganda to flourish, unchallenged and unchecked.

Real0ne -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/25/2013 7:07:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail yeah? why? what are the chances of interest rates declining? got stats? cuz they are going up. This is a corporate welfare grab by the craven servile corpitulators. http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield Currently, 10-year T-notes are running at 2.02%. Adding 2.5% to that, you get 4.52%. Gradplus would be 6.52%. Current fixed rate is 6.8% and 7.9% for Gradplus. Rates will go up, and can also come down. Rates have not always been this low, have they? every time interest rates go down the other side to that equation forces an increase in inflation. Only if there is demand. We have had record low interest rates, the federal overnight rate was at 0% up until not long ago, and yet we have had no significant inflation caused by the low interest rates. Food prices have gone up because of global demand for food, but it would happen if the overnight rate was 5%, instead of near 0, oil and gas prices are going up because of global demand, health care prices are going up because of an aging population and an inefficient system, but little of it is due to interest rates. I doubt they are going to go lower. The 30 year T note rate is the basis for figuring out other rates, the yield on those notes is determined by what the notes trade at; as the price goes up, because of demand, the yield drops, if the demand drops the price drops and the yield goes up. That rate won't go much lower, for the fact that there isn't demand to buy the notes to bring the yields lower. If the economy picks up real steam, then rates will be going up, even if the fed doesn't jump the overnight rates and such. no demand is not required, only liquidity. that is the problem in a nutshell. if you produce a trillion bills and 1/2 a trillion leaves the country for instance you cant just say oh well no biggie and forget them. or if you need liquidity you need to pump more bills into the system so commerce does not grind to a halt. so they went to this elastic monetary system and of course its being abused like everything else da gub gets their greedy fucking hands on. The popular claim is that going off the gold standard would solve this and depressions and nothing could be farther from the truth. We still have huge spokes and huge dips, just they run it through a 100ma and it appears nice and pretty. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/inflation-1872-present-1.gif[/image] Likewise with the stoc. Nice and pretty 3% nothing to be concerned about. when I talk about inflation its in regard to the big picture inflation not microscoping anything and everything saleble. welcome to the desert of the real [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/USDollarTitanicdollar.jpg[/image] thats what our nice looking nothing to be concerned about little 3% inflation looks like compounded.

MrRodgers -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/25/2013 7:44:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44255 Look, variable rates so they can plunge the next generation into bankruptcy and make it impossible to get an education, probably in the hope that they will be feebleminded enough to vote for teabaggers. Creating the next generation of welfare patients. That would be the progressive socialists. The trough is a plank of such ideology. I await the denial by the progressive socialists of their own ideology. [:D] Well with you obviously having no grasp of the definition of socialism, it would be very difficult to explain anything to you. Don't even know why you feel a need to dress it up with the puffery of...progressive. Either a country is socialist or...it is not. That would mean that govt. owns the means of production. That is pure and simple. See what I mean ? I mean really man, this bill would in their true capitalist fascists goals, pump up the interest rates on college loans to a possibly 5 times the cost of capital. You call that progressive socialism ? See what I mean ?

MrRodgers -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/25/2013 8:11:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/inflation-1872-present-1.gif[/image] Likewise with the stoc. Nice and pretty 3% nothing to be concerned about. when I talk about inflation its in regard to the big picture inflation not microscoping anything and everything saleble. welcome to the desert of the real [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/USDollarTitanicdollar.jpg[/image] thats what our nice looking nothing to be concerned about little 3% inflation looks like compounded. But there is a hitch here, the buying power of the dollar goes down at all times since WWII, yet the inflation not only has 'Monthly' inflation somehow extrapolated to give us a 'yearly' average over 200 years or more, doesn't reflect the inflation that would keep pushing the dollar's buying power down, since the 50's. What escaped the CPI graph since WWII, is the speculation in real estate and the govt. sponsored (fannie, freddie, FHA, VA) impoverishing of the American people...because of it.

cloudboy -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/26/2013 5:42:45 PM)
The issue here is the cost of education and interest rates on student loans. Can you open your parachute and land somewhere in this field of debate?

Hillwilliam -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/27/2013 6:21:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy The issue here is the cost of education and interest rates on student loans. Can you open your parachute and land somewhere in this field of debate? He got caught in a wind shear.[8D] (I used to skydive, they're a bitch)

thishereboi -> RE: Teabaggers trying to insure a new feeble minded crop of youth (5/27/2013 7:01:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail What Is the Worst School System in America? ^^^ there is the screaming impugning headline...of Yellow Journalism (you can usually tell when it is punctuated by a question mark that it is gonna be yellow journalism, like Faux Nuze and other teabagger blogs do religiously) Detroit has been participating in the NAEP test but this is the first time the city's individual results have been reported. Sixty-nine percent of Detroit children scored below basic level on fourth grade math and 77 percent of Detroit eighth graders scored below basic. ... The state appointed emergency financial manager Robert Bobb said no school district in the 40 year history of the test has ever registered such low number. Never been reported in the 40 year history but this once in 40 years it has registered a low number? The headline does not match the article, nor does it call attention to any factual information in any detail that would explain this in fair minded terms. In the midst of the depression? With everyone moving out for reasons that are not associated with wolverine stupidity. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124813472753066949.html Sort it on percentile rank, but it looks like more than Detroit got problems and it aint got bottom rung. https://www.mischooldata.org/DistrictSchoolProfiles/ReportCard/TopToBottomRanking/TopToBottomRankingList.aspx And it looks like a much larger toilet than Detroit in any case: http://www.freep.com/article/20130422/NEWS15/304220110/Snyder-Education-system-in-Michigan-U-S-is-broken The legislature of course is pretty solid republican and has been for years. (I would call this a red state). Detroit has been run by the left since I was a child. It the administration wasn't filled with thieves they might have a chance. To try and blame the fact that the state tends to go to the right is just bullshit. The schools there sucked just as much when Jen was running things. Now that Snyder is in charge, things are just as bad and until they get rid of the crooks it will stay that way.

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