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Real0ne -> Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/24/2013 10:35:22 PM)
Milwaukee police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide By Meg Jones of the Journal Sentinel April 24, 2013 Police shot and killed a 45-year-old man wielding a knife and threatening suicide Wednesday night. The man was shot when he refused to drop his weapon. Officers were called to a home in the 7200 block of W. Mill Road for a report of a man armed with a weapon around 8:15 p.m., according to a report from Sgt. Mark Stanmeyer. Officers encountered the man in a living room and when he refused several demands to drop his knife, a 29-year-old officer with three years on the force shot him. The District 4 officer has been placed on administrative duty pending an investigation, which is standard procedure in officer-involved shootings. No officers were hurt. I'm sorry peeps but this kind of shit is insanity, government gone wild.

Just0Plain0Mike -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/24/2013 11:16:40 PM)
So to prevent him from stabbing himself, they shot him? No one had a Taser or pepper spray? This makes no sense to me at all.

tazzygirl -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/24/2013 11:47:11 PM)
Seems the Aunt called police and told them he had taken pills and was threatening to kill family members. Why didnt they tase him? No clue. Why didnt you look for more information than what you provided? http://fox6now.com/2013/04/24/police-investigating-shooting-near-73rd-and-mill-road/ http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Suicidal-man-killed-by-Milwaukee-police-identified-204700071.html

Real0ne -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/24/2013 11:52:36 PM)
do you have any idea how easy it is to take a knife away from someone? not to mention an obviously very sick man. quote: Macklin said his nephew was not taking medication and just needed help, so for an officer to shoot, he believes, was not justified. “James is a good person. He’s a kind-hearted person. He would do anything he could for anybody, but James has a mental problem,” Macklin said.

tazzygirl -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/24/2013 11:54:50 PM)
Crazy people are amazingly strong. if it was so easy, why didnt the family take the knife away? Im not saying the cop was right, btw. I dont know what the investigation will bring.

Just0Plain0Mike -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 12:03:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne do you have any idea how easy it is to take a knife away from someone? not to mention an obviously very sick man. Ahh, read the other articles. That makes a big difference. The guy was making threats and tried to attack the officers. They could still have Tased him, but depending on the size of the room, there might not have been time or room. Ummm, no where in the article did it say he was an obviously sick man. Even if he was mentally ill, which does seem likely, that doesn't make him physically ill. Taking a knife away from someone, without getting cut, isn't all that easy. This is especially true of someone with no concern for their own life.

Real0ne -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 12:04:14 AM)
it will bring what it always does. the guy could have tripped over his shoestring and the thugs that people are foolish enough to believe are there to help are now have a license to murder the man. Look at these fucking psychopaths

Real0ne -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 12:07:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne do you have any idea how easy it is to take a knife away from someone? not to mention an obviously very sick man. Ahh, read the other articles. That makes a big difference. The guy was making threats and tried to attack the officers. They could still have Tased him, but depending on the size of the room, there might not have been time or room. Ummm, no where in the article did it say he was an obviously sick man. Even if he was mentally ill, which does seem likely, that doesn't make him physically ill. Taking a knife away from someone, without getting cut, isn't all that easy. This is especially true of someone with no concern for their own life. shit they wear kevlar according to his family he was fucked up as a result of improper medication, so you can justify this license to murder? a guy with a lousy knife???? more psychopaths

tazzygirl -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 12:22:18 AM)
No one is trying to justify anything. And dont talk to me about bad cops. Im hoping the case here with Jordan Miles finds those cops liable the second time around. There are bad cops. We dont know why the cop shot, we dont know why they didnt use a taser. We will have to wait and see what the lawsuit brings.. and yes, there will be a suit. He was a parole at large. The cops were told he was armed and dangerous.

Real0ne -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 12:27:04 AM)
what did I miss here? I thought the cops were told he had a knife? they could have thrown a vase or a chair at him for shit sake! but instead they chose to murder him. It should never happen, it happens all the time, in the land of the free, look on youtube its even caught on video!

Just0Plain0Mike -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 12:38:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne do you have any idea how easy it is to take a knife away from someone? not to mention an obviously very sick man. Ahh, read the other articles. That makes a big difference. The guy was making threats and tried to attack the officers. They could still have Tased him, but depending on the size of the room, there might not have been time or room. Ummm, no where in the article did it say he was an obviously sick man. Even if he was mentally ill, which does seem likely, that doesn't make him physically ill. Taking a knife away from someone, without getting cut, isn't all that easy. This is especially true of someone with no concern for their own life. shit they wear kevlar according to his family he was fucked up as a result of improper medication, so you can justify this license to murder? a guy with a lousy knife???? Kevlar doesn't stop knives, or it only stops them as well as any other thick cloth would. Trauma plates would, but not every vest uses these. Actually most don't since they're too heavy and awkward. There are also quite a few vulnerabilities in a vest that are easier to exploit with a knife then a gun. At close range, a "lousy knife" is often more effective then a gun. Knives are dangerous. It's pretty easy to kill someone with nothing but a "lousy knife". I'm not trying to be insulting here, just asking a question. Do you have any training or experience with guns or knives? I happen to have training with both. The problem is, to someone who doesn't know better, if you hear that one person had a knife and the other a gun, then it's simple. The gun is so much more lethal that it's no contest, but that's not really accurate. It depends on so many factors; the relative skill of both individuals, the distance between them, etc. What it's starting to seem like to me, is the guy committed suicide by cop. He already had cuts on his wrists when the police arrived, that sounds like hesitation cuts. When he realized he couldn't do it himself, he charged an armed police officer hoping that he'd be killed. Do I know this for a fact, no, but I think it's a reasonable conclusion.

tazzygirl -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 1:20:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne what did I miss here? I thought the cops were told he had a knife? they could have thrown a vase or a chair at him for shit sake! but instead they chose to murder him. It should never happen, it happens all the time, in the land of the free, look on youtube its even caught on video! The parole at large comment was in reply to your last link.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 1:49:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike Kevlar doesn't stop knives, or it only stops them as well as any other thick cloth would. Trauma plates would, but not every vest uses these. Actually most don't since they're too heavy and awkward. There are also quite a few vulnerabilities in a vest that are easier to exploit with a knife then a gun. At close range, a "lousy knife" is often more effective then a gun. Knives are dangerous. It's pretty easy to kill someone with nothing but a "lousy knife". I'm not trying to be insulting here, just asking a question. Do you have any training or experience with guns or knives? I happen to have training with both. The problem is, to someone who doesn't know better, if you hear that one person had a knife and the other a gun, then it's simple. The gun is so much more lethal that it's no contest, but that's not really accurate. It depends on so many factors; the relative skill of both individuals, the distance between them, etc. What it's starting to seem like to me, is the guy committed suicide by cop. He already had cuts on his wrists when the police arrived, that sounds like hesitation cuts. When he realized he couldn't do it himself, he charged an armed police officer hoping that he'd be killed. Do I know this for a fact, no, but I think it's a reasonable conclusion. These are my thoughts as well. People are quick to criticize, but the reality is that most people have never been in such a situation. 20/20 hindsight is easy. The actual situation, not so much. While it may sound cold, the guy wanted to kill himself, he already slit his wrists. He got what he wanted, what's the problem? Understandably, the family is upset he is dead, but would they be less upset had he sliced his wrists deep enough (or correctly) that he died of his own hand? Just as an aside, the man was "obviously a sick man." That doesn't have to refer to physical illness. People can and often are "sick in the head."

Just0Plain0Mike -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 2:39:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Just as an aside, the man was "obviously a sick man." That doesn't have to refer to physical illness. People can and often are "sick in the head." You're correct, he was clearly mentally ill. However the implication of the poster saying that he was "an obviously sick man" was that this should make him easier to disarm. I was pointing out that he wasn't sick in a physical sense, or at least not as stated in any of the news articles, and that his mental illness would make him more difficult to disarm. So by that standard he wasn't "sick" in any way that would have effected the posters statement.

subrob1967 -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 6:40:37 AM)
FR Not all departments use Tasers... We don't.

kiwisub12 -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 6:53:06 AM)
My ex was and is a cop - and their first priority after keeping the general population safe, is to keep themselves safe. Sort of like how you put your oxygen mask on before you help anyone else - because if you are unconscious because of anoxia, you CAN'T help anyone else. Cops are trained to take down the assalient as fast as possible, to prevent harm to others. And apparently the family thought there was potential for harm. and dude, it isn't murder. Where is the malicious intent? This cop didn't know the man from the man in the moon. He perceived a threat and responded to it. He was doing his job for Petes sake. It amazed me the number of people who feel qualified to criticize ANY profession when they don't agree with the results, irregardless of how much they know about the situation. [8\|] and as a wife of a cop, i would have been pissed if my hubby had died because he let some fella who was threatening people kill him. Insurance money doesn't replace a companion.

TricklessMagic -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 7:06:29 AM)
This is an example of why more departments need tasers. They work most of the time. Unfortunately those in certain parts of life advocated that they were cruel and unusual forcing police to rely on their firearms. Firearms are hammers and when all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail. Cops lost their knightsticks so they had to use asps which have less utility and are more dangerous. Cops lost their tasers and now they can only use their guns. Give cops back their knightsticks and tasers and this shit will happen less.

mnottertail -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 7:26:41 AM)
The Milwaukee police have tased alotta bros: http://www.policeone.com/police-products/less-lethal/articles/91449-Police-Use-New-Tasers-Frequently-Stun-Guns-Subdue-105-People-in-First-4-Months/ Guess it wasn't deadly enough force for them.

kiwisub12 -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 9:36:45 AM)
There is no "them". There is a (probably) 20-something faced with a crazy acting man, who had to make a judgement call. How well would you do in the same situation. There is no government evil conspiracy, or malicious individuals - there is one crazy man and one guy whose responsibility is to protect lives. He made a judgement call, and now the Monday night quarter backs are coming out and saying how terrible this is, and why didn't he do this or this, or gee, this. Way to go guys. Lets support our boys in blue, who no-one respects until they need them, and gosh, then its "they did this wrong" or "why didn't they do this?" Until you walk in their shoes, i don't think you can criticise these men and women. They are just like the rest of us - they are trying to do their job the best they can. No-one gets up in the morning and thinks to themselves that today is the day they get to shoot someone. Mostly, they worry that they are going to have to draw their guns and worry wheither or not they can make the right call. There are bad cops - but mainly they are lazy, or willing to take a bribe, or a free cup of coffee - they aren't out there to kill everyone they can. Cripes, the average cop isn't a psychopath! (gets off soapbox and quietly walks away)

cordeliasub -> RE: Police shoot man with knife who threatened suicide (5/25/2013 10:51:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub12 There is no "them". There is a (probably) 20-something faced with a crazy acting man, who had to make a judgement call. How well would you do in the same situation. There is no government evil conspiracy, or malicious individuals - there is one crazy man and one guy whose responsibility is to protect lives. He made a judgement call, and now the Monday night quarter backs are coming out and saying how terrible this is, and why didn't he do this or this, or gee, this. Way to go guys. Lets support our boys in blue, who no-one respects until they need them, and gosh, then its "they did this wrong" or "why didn't they do this?" Until you walk in their shoes, i don't think you can criticise these men and women. They are just like the rest of us - they are trying to do their job the best they can. No-one gets up in the morning and thinks to themselves that today is the day they get to shoot someone. Mostly, they worry that they are going to have to draw their guns and worry wheither or not they can make the right call. There are bad cops - but mainly they are lazy, or willing to take a bribe, or a free cup of coffee - they aren't out there to kill everyone they can. Cripes, the average cop isn't a psychopath! (gets off soapbox and quietly walks away) Excellent post, but to anyone who is incapable of listening or seeing in anything other than extreme black and white, it probably won't make a difference. The other articles said that family members were being threatened by him as well. I guess they should have sung him a lullaby....or told him to make love not knives.....

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