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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
The sad fact is that all of those who have died subsequent to 9/11 whether in uniform or not, have died in vain.

Thank you for your answer, tweakabelle, but you are actually not answering my question even if you defend the same position as farglebargle. Can you please tell me which would have been your reaction as President of the USA after the attacks, regarding its origin?

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminRho

This is a reminder: YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Good posts Aylee and DC.

Lets not forget we are not just remembering those who have died recently but those of the two world wars. The majority of those who died did so in defence of the nation. If blame is to be laid at anyones feet for being unjust, surely it has to be the politicians.

I cannot help but think that Fargle is a rather miserable person. I have never seen a positive post from him. Perhaps we should all hope that the Blue Bird of Happiness visits him soon.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

If they were here, what would they say?… ‘Forget all the little circumstances of the day. Be ashamed of the jealousies that divide you. We command you in the name of those who, like ourselves, have died to bring the councils of men together, and we remind you what America said she was born for. She was born… to show mankind the way to liberty. She was born to make this great gift a common gift. She was born to show men the way of experience by which they might realize this gift and maintain it.

--Woodrow Wilson at the American Cemetery
in Suresnes, France; Memorial Day 1919

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

If they were here, what would they say?… ‘Forget all the little circumstances of the day. Be ashamed of the jealousies that divide you. We command you in the name of those who, like ourselves, have died to bring the councils of men together, and we remind you what America said she was born for. She was born… to show mankind the way to liberty. She was born to make this great gift a common gift. She was born to show men the way of experience by which they might realize this gift and maintain it.

--Woodrow Wilson at the American Cemetery
in Suresnes, France; Memorial Day 1919

So said the man that barely acknowledged our Black soldiers, would not properly train, outfit or arm them, turned them over wholesale to the French and made sure they were sent home under the worst transport conditions available and received without fanfare by Federal authorities.

That Wilson was some CoC eh?

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ORIGINAL: VictorianHouse
We non longer live in a true Capitalistic country, and we do not live under the true Republic Constitutional Government. We live under a socialistic system that is a corporation in deed and structure.... This is indicated in UCC title 28 where the government admits to being a corporation (under definitions). In 1933 The Democratic President under HJR 192 pledged all Labor, property, and everything else to the bankers when the illegal "Credit based financial system was introduced in the country. That was when the "Private" banking group known as the Federal Reserve was created, and when the Private Federal Reserve Collection Agency was created called the IRS... (based upon supreme court decisions information).

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I am a VietNam vet... Memorial day is a time to reflect upon the many friends that I lost because of the corrupt government being The Bully towards the World. It is a time to reflect how stupid the Liberals are because they support the corporate government as sheeple and are selfish wanting only to take and take from those of us that provide for our family's and take care of our slaves.

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It is a time to remember the comradeship of friends that died saving each other when we were sent to be gun fodder for profit and control of resources that we had no business being there.
It is a time to remember the sacrifice of men that thought they were protecting freedom when they were betrayed by their country for power and money.
It is a time to remember how the politicians have worked consistently to take away our rights and drive the American people into poverty and desperation while they celebrate in their riches and lie to us as to how they pretend to help make a better life by enslaving us and taxing us and sending our jobs to other countries.
It is a time to remember all men of all wars past that have dies for these thieves and liers in order to profit on the blood of the real people...
It is time for the Oathkeepers and every body else to say enough is enough... and become educated of what is really happening rather than being brainwashed into stupidity and ignorance thinking all is well...
That is what Memorial day is about... To remember, and to reflect, and then to act.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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As a non american, Id like to add my ten cents.
My husband served in the army for 12 years, my father served for 2, I have a number of relatives and friends that fought in WW1&2, Burma, the Falklands, Iraq, and Afghanistan. from Canada and the UK
I also have friends in the US who fought in Vietnam and Desert Storm, Iraq and Afghanistan, some of them didnt come back.
Im also a liberal, and a pacifist. I support the troops I respect them for doing something I could not do, I support and respect the families who have lost loved ones and I always will.
I dislike war, I dislike the excuses, I dislike the death and destruction caused, I dislike it even more when its done for lies.
I hate what it does to those who are changed by it.
Im not celebrating "Memorial Day" as such, But like Veterans day, Remembrance Sunday*armistice day* and today. I have respect for those who served and died, those who served that came back, and their families.
Anyone that has a problem with it, can kiss my shiny "white privileged" behind

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Would you have Wilson's treatment of "negro" soliders, especially those men that fought in combat and made the ultimate sacrifice for the country, just be swept under the rug?

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That he spoke those words in France, while he was setting back 60 years of racial gains in this country is appalling.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Thank you, Rich but, just have a thought for him. His name was Jaime (high-may).

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I'm really surprised to see some lefties (whose rallying cry used to be: "I don't support the war but I support our troops", when Bush I & II were sending troops off) being so seemingly hateful of our fallen warriors. I guess, it's only something to be done, when it's politically expedient.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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Thank you, Rich but, just have a thought for him. His name was Jaime (high-may).

«Hail the victorious dead.»

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I'm really surprised to see some lefties (whose rallying cry used to be: "I don't support the war but I support our troops", when Bush I & II were sending troops off) being so seemingly hateful of our fallen warriors. I guess, it's only something to be done, when it's politically expedient.

Don't turn this into politics, Michael.
I support any (wo)man that served in the warrior spirit, no matter how vigorously I may condemn the politician(s) that sent them there, and from your perspective I'd probably be considered a "leftie", so just don't. It's not expedience which prompts me to "support the troops", but a recognition of the fact that the oath of service means you go when they say you go, and that the alternative- a military that governs itself and calls its own shots- is at best questionable.
It is a double sacrifice. Once, in handing the authority to decide which wars are just and which are not over to the civilian leadership of the lands from which they come, and to leave the hard question of the legitimacy of those leaders and their actions to the (civilian) people. Once more, in putting their lives on the line to honor their oaths of service, lives many of them lose in so doing.
So, yes, assuming- as I do assume- your son upheld his oath, then on this day, I salute him.
IWYW,
— Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Thank you, Rich but, just have a thought for him. His name was Jaime (high-may).

«Hail the victorious dead.»

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I'm really surprised to see some lefties (whose rallying cry used to be: "I don't support the war but I support our troops", when Bush I & II were sending troops off) being so seemingly hateful of our fallen warriors. I guess, it's only something to be done, when it's politically expedient.

Don't turn this into politics, Michael.
I support any (wo)man that served in the warrior spirit, no matter how vigorously I may condemn the politician(s) that sent them there, and from your perspective I'd probably be considered a "leftie", so just don't. It's not expedience which prompts me to "support the troops", but a recognition of the fact that the oath of service means you go when they say you go, and that the alternative- a military that governs itself and calls its own shots- is at best questionable.
It is a double sacrifice. Once, in handing the authority to decide which wars are just and which are not over to the civilian leadership of the lands from which they come, and to leave the hard question of the legitimacy of those leaders and their actions to the (civilian) people. Once more, in putting their lives on the line to honor their oaths of service, lives many of them lose in so doing.
So, yes, assuming- as I do assume- your son upheld his oath, then on this day, I salute him.
IWYW,
— Aswad.

Aswad, I agree that Memorial Day remembrances should not be political, Michael didn't start it. The OP started it, in the OP. Hell, even the Subject line was crafted thus.