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BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 2:25:19 PM

worktomuch21

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Hi i am new to everything, but during a late night conversation while sitting at a Domme's house talking to Her about this. i asked the question of "is there any strictly bdsm communes" and well i could not find anything,

i guess i am asking is there either of them out there. if you know of a bdsm commune could you please share it. it wouldbe greatly appreciated. also does anyone know if there is anything close to either of these that can be visited for any period of time.

Thanks this is my first post. PLEASE take it easy on me

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 2:27:23 PM

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I certainly haven't heard of any, but why not start one?

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 2:29:20 PM

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 2:40:43 PM

JohnWarren

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There are some extended families but I don't know of anything that would qualify as a commune.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 2:43:05 PM

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I am setting one up, but it is more consensual servitude based than kink/fetish based and I'm very picky of who I let in my doors during this initial time. We will start out in one residence and then expand by buying land and custom building what is needed. Eventually we will have more things then one can shake a stick at, but I'm not giving much away right now because I am planning to keep this rather non-commercial based.

Right now I'm training the first set of individuals and getting them ready to relocate and visit as is neccessary. Yes, and try my best to secure a good and steady house and employment situation to enable us all to grow as a household. Sadly I'm no where near as far as where I would like to be, but it's steady slow progress. Been running into a lot of problems though in regards to "vanilla" issues of jobs and such and have had to make some adjustments to my plans. So it will take a while, but I'm doing my best to keep my head up :).

There is the OWK, and a few other larger households. Some of them are commercial enterprises which means you pay to get involved, others are very strict in whom they will accept. All are of different sizes and different kinds... .but I know what I'm trying to set up is one of a kind and unique, which is why I've been busting my butt and refuse to give up on it.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 3:26:43 PM

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My reply here is probably more questions expanding on the OP rather than a reply with any answers.
From a Sociological perspective, the idea of a BDSM cult absolutely fascinates me, and a BDSM commune has an enticing appeal.
I would think it would be difficult to put one together. Besides coordinating the mundane vanilla aspects of outside family and jobs, all sorts of difficulties occur to me, such as members with offspring, how the hierarchy would work between all members (both Dominant and submissive), and how challenging it would be to find not just one, but several other kink-minded people who had a belief system compatible enough to make it happen. Of those challenges, I think income/employment would be the easiest to overcome. There are many people in the lifestyle who are talented at craftsmanship, and with combined efforts, the commune/cult could possibly even support itself off selling lifestyle wares.

But who would hold the key position in this situation? The person who originated the idea and put it out there for others? The property owner? Would it necessarily need to be a Dominant in the highest position of power? If so, would "all" the members be subservient to that person, like in a Goddess worship situation? In most cults, there is a prime central figure that all default to, but realistically, how big could a BDSM commune become if other Dominants were expected to defer to the leading Dominant? How easily could it operate?
Would new members be trained? By whom? To what specifications? Would an incoming submissive be trained to the uber-Dominant leader’s specifications, or just to the rules in general of the community?
Where does it cross the line from commune into cult? Or does it even matter if it crosses that line?
What would be the likelihood of the government becoming involved?
Does religion play a role? Spirituality without religion? A belief system without spirituality or religion? I could see the benefits on a financial and liberty level of establishing it as a religion.
There would have to be a commonality of beliefs and shared definitions among the members.
How likely is it that an entire community could be set up around one person’s dreams and ethics and beliefs? How long would it last?
How would conflict be handled?
How technical would it need to become regarding codified rules and protocol and the distribution of wealth and ownership (of both property and slaves)?
How separate from vanilla society would it be?

It’s an interesting concept to think about.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 3:42:24 PM

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And just about the time you get this all set up and operating to efficient standards...........The door gets kicked and and it's the ATF and Janet Reno wanting to have a chat with you.

Just a thought.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 3:48:40 PM

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quote:

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And just about the time you get this all set up and operating to efficient standards...........The door gets kicked and and it's the ATF and Janet Reno wanting to have a chat with you.

Ha, true and I'm not drinking any Kool-aid there.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 3:50:37 PM

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Sure there is a large BDSM Cult extending world wide..... Y'see all the Guys with Beards? They are the High Priests. The Ladies in the sexy leather gear wearing spiked heels? They are the High Priestesses... The rest who are runing or crawling around groveling? They are the submissive, slavish accolites worshiping at people's feet...... We're hoping to take over the Vatican by Christmass and turn all those dungeons into better use as well as staging Romanesque orgies in the square..... Contact me and I'll send you an application form. After acceptance you'l get your membership card, rule book and secret handshake....

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 3:56:03 PM

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Caretakr wrote:

"ttp://www.owk.cz/index.htm]http://www.owk.cz/index.htm"

Other World Kingdom? It's kinky Euro-Disney for Female supremacists. 1/3 couples resort, 1/3 sleep away session house, 1/3 video factory.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 4:02:53 PM

worktomuch21

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John,
Since i am new. can you please explain extended families to me please.
Thanks You very mcuh

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 4:52:04 PM

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We are a polyfideletous household, looking to grow, once both matriarchs have completed school, into a full D/s enclave, including both the D/s house (which we are hoping to turn into a D/s, GLBT, and Trans-friendly resort), a pan-denominational temple, and an alternative healing center. We are looking forward to the opportunity to not only welcome those who want to expand their skills or spend some time in a hierarchical household, but those who are interested in training and providing leadership and marketable skills to sustain the household as a whole.

I think that there are certainly others out there with the same idea, but, like us, they don't tend to advertise, as it is not a commercial venture, and putting something like this together is a long and cautious process -- at least, if one wants it to thrive for the long-term.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 4:58:13 PM

JohnWarren

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quote:

ORIGINAL: worktomuch21

John,
Since i am new. can you please explain extended families to me please.
Thanks You very mcuh

In the case we are discussing, they are groups of people unrelated by blood living in a common dwelling and in a dominant/submissive relationship to each other. I think about the largest one I know of from personal experience is seven people who live a male dominant/female submissive lifestyle 24/7.

Most of the groups I know of haven't lasted all that long and usually it takes longer to sort out who gets what than they were together. Most of them last a year or two with a fluctuating membership.

Now I'm speaking from personal experience. I've heard claims in chatrooms and on boards but I can't vouch for the credibility of the claimants.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 9:26:57 PM

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Other than leather families or large poly group families, the only thing I could think that really comes close to a commune is Raven Kaldera. They live within a commune community and are open about their bdsm and poly predilections, but the commune itself is not at all based on bdsm.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 9:56:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: worktomuch21

Hi i am new to everything, but during a late night conversation while sitting at a Domme's house talking to Her about this, i asked the question of "[are] there any strictly bdsm communes" and well i could not find anything,

i guess i am asking [are] there either of them out there. if you know of a bdsm commune could you please share it.

I do not know of any myself, though I am personally holding out for a certain masked and hooded society. Password: Fidelio

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/25/2006 10:01:12 PM

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There was that "flirty fishing" cult back in the 70's. And I guess you could call the polygamous Mormons a cult too. But I'm not aware of a BDSM cult. Maybe I should start one. I'd be Grand Lord Pooh-bah Ear of Zeus, and peach would be Grand Lord Pooh-bah Ear of Zeus's Bitch No. 1.

(Edited to add: I didn't want to say "Bitch Alpha," because that would be limiting myself to the number of letters in the Greek alphabet, and any self-respecting cult leader has more than that.)

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/26/2006 6:43:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

We are a polyfideletous household, looking to grow, once both matriarchs have completed school, into a full D/s enclave, including both the D/s house (which we are hoping to turn into a D/s, GLBT, and Trans-friendly resort), a pan-denominational temple, and an alternative healing center.
ZWD

It all sounds fantastic!

Btw - What does GLBT mean?

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/26/2006 6:46:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: becca333
Btw - What does GLBT mean?

gay lesbian bi trans

Boy I wish the homo/hetero scenes were more intermingled.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/26/2006 7:34:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

From a Sociological perspective, the idea of a BDSM cult absolutely fascinates me, and a BDSM commune has an enticing appeal.
I would think it would be difficult to put one together. Besides coordinating the mundane vanilla aspects of outside family and jobs, all sorts of difficulties occur to me, such as members with offspring, how the hierarchy would work between all members

I've given it a lot of thought, and it seems to have a workable structure you would have to define your own philosophy, codify it in a book, and establish rank and hierarchy in a fashion akin to the way the LDS church is set up.

Of course, that runs counter to the general "do your own thing, your own way" standard most common today. But if the lines where drawn broad enough it seems to me that it would be possible to get enough people in agreement to begin a cult.

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RE: BDSM Commune/Cult - 6/26/2006 8:03:56 AM

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probably the most problematic part of having any large structure going, no matter how you call it, is the middle of the hierarchy. most people's experience is very limited, they understand what's the bottom, and they understand what's the top. but out of bottom and top you can have a couple, or maybe a group of a half dozen people. to grow past that you need a middle, and one that's stable enough, not made out of frustrated dominants waiting for their chance.

most usually, people attempt to solve the problem by using frustrated subs for middles, which works great for a year or two, untill these frustrated subs find a better deal and leave the edifice to crumble.

in short, the problem of a commune is probably not something solvable right now.

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