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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 5/31/2013 8:49:17 PM   
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The shit hit the fan in OCT 2001. They did all of that in 10 months? Really?

Michael . . . . The stock crashed in OCT 2001. Yes.







... and how many years was Enron cooking the books? I forget the year but it was Skilling that was attributed with the scheme to falsely report earnings/profits. (I think I remember reading somewhere that he took over in 94?).

My point is: It was an on-going scheme that just happened to blow up in all our faces, just about as King George II was getting his legs under him.

The Enron fail caused any number of other funds and energy companies to fail. It was a body blow that originated long before Bush II was sworn in.



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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 5/31/2013 8:50:56 PM   
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Actually, Michael, the dotcom bubble started right as Clinton left and Bush came in. Sure, Enron's scam didn't help, but the dotcom shit had already hit the fan. Then 9/11 gave the economy yet another punch in the gut.



Yes, I was lucky enough to have sold my Yahoo stock in SEP of '99 (Thank God).



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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 5/31/2013 8:59:01 PM   
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... and how many years was Enron cooking the books? I forget the year but it was Skilling that was attributed with the scheme to falsely report earnings/profits. (I think I remember reading somewhere that he took over in 94?).

My point is: It was an on-going scheme that just happened to blow up in all our faces, just about as King George II was getting his legs under him.

The Enron fail caused any number of other funds and energy companies to fail. It was a body blow that originated long before Bush II was sworn in.

Yeah, that dumb Bill Clinton shudda been wise to what Skilling was doing. Blame it on Bill.

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 5/31/2013 9:15:23 PM   
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... and how many years was Enron cooking the books? I forget the year but it was Skilling that was attributed with the scheme to falsely report earnings/profits. (I think I remember reading somewhere that he took over in 94?).

My point is: It was an on-going scheme that just happened to blow up in all our faces, just about as King George II was getting his legs under him.

The Enron fail caused any number of other funds and energy companies to fail. It was a body blow that originated long before Bush II was sworn in.

Yeah, that dumb Bill Clinton shudda been wise to what Skilling was doing. Blame it on Bill.


It's just as sensible as blaming it on Bush.

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 1:17:58 AM   
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When the exchange was booming under Bush II, it was a sign of evil; the 1% were taking over.


It's different under Obama, though. It's not the 1% driving the market up. It's the record number of people he has getting food stamps that are trading them in for stocks. My concern is whether they will pay their fair share of taxes on those dividends.



Absolutely.

If one doesn't buy any food, and uses the max $200/month benefit for investing, as is apparently the case, in your world (reality is so silly, isn't it?), he/she, with the greatest of perspicacity as to the movement of the markets, could obtain as much as 80% return in the two months they would live with out food.

They would die rich, no question.

Annualized return of more than 300%, and yet they bitch about living only two months into it?

Those pink Cadillac-driving queens, all they do is bitch.


PS

It was Obama that forced the financial deregulation that blew the whole monetary system up, then? And blew up the budget with tax cuts to the rich, concomitant with pricely invasions of countries that were no real threat to the US?

I am no fan of Democrats, far from it, but the Republicans show a historically much better record for putting the greatest number of society on food stamps.

This goes wayyy back, just ask England.






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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 1:31:32 AM   
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Bernanke's in the bath tub blowing bubbles..

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 1:38:10 AM   
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Gobama!




What was the Dow Jones average when the President took office?



While our adult geopee-children cry and whine and govern through fake scandal......the President will be outshining their pathetically weak asses and walking tall, over the next year and a half....




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/7/dow-jones-hits-new-high-closes-above-15000-first-t/?page=all


"The Dow briefly cracked the 15,000 barrier last Friday, peaking at 15,009.59 before falling back below the mark later that day. On Tuesday, it closed at a new all-time high of 15,056.20, up 87 points, or nearly 1 percent — the latest in a string of record closes for Wall Street, which has put the recession in the rearview mirror.

Markets around the world were also up, reflecting rising investor sentiment that the U.S. economic recovery is firmly on track and the Federal Reserve remains committed to low interest rates. Investors also seem to believe that Europe is getting a handle on its financial crisis.

“The stock market has been on a strong run for several months now,” said Mark Hamrick, Bankrate.com’s Washington bureau chief. “I think the markets have put much of the Great Recession behind them as the economy has been expanding at a decent rate.”

The broader Standard & Poor’s 500 index has also enjoyed a nice run in 2013. The S&P closed Tuesday at 1,625.96, up 8 points, or less than 1 percent. It also broke the 1,600 barrier on Friday, and has held on to its gains.

The Nasdaq closed up more than 3 points or less than 1 percent at 3,396.63, well below a record high.

Analysts say investors are gaining confidence in the markets, which is fueling the recent gains.

“That’s really a vote of confidence in the economic recovery,” said Paul Edelstein, director of financial economics at IHS Global Insight. He pointed out that as the stock market has ticked up, bonds, which are viewed as a safer investment, have declined. That means investors are feeling safer about stocks, and see less of a need to hedge against possible downturns"







What an idiot.

I wasn't pointing that to anybody, it just came out of the blue.

TY for your understanding.

Not the least responsible for anything bad, totally responsible for anything good. Gotta love politicos.




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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 1:59:34 AM   
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... and how many years was Enron cooking the books? I forget the year but it was Skilling that was attributed with the scheme to falsely report earnings/profits. (I think I remember reading somewhere that he took over in 94?).

My point is: It was an on-going scheme that just happened to blow up in all our faces, just about as King George II was getting his legs under him.

The Enron fail caused any number of other funds and energy companies to fail. It was a body blow that originated long before Bush II was sworn in.



What was Clinton supposed to do? fire Wendy Gramm?

Presidents usually don't fire private sector suck-asses, though the world might be a better place if they could.

In general, you're right, though. From Reagan eviscerating the FTC, the FCC, the interior dept., etc, it's been a long downhill slide for the country.






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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 2:16:45 AM   
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whats up

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 2:44:15 AM   
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Double post...

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 2:53:49 AM   
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whats up


TY for slapping me.

I'm gotten to listening to G. Harrison's "If I Needed Someone" now.

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 3:03:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Gobama!




What was the Dow Jones average when the President took office?



While our adult geopee-children cry and whine and govern through fake scandal......the President will be outshining their pathetically weak asses and walking tall, over the next year and a half....




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/7/dow-jones-hits-new-high-closes-above-15000-first-t/?page=all


"The Dow briefly cracked the 15,000 barrier last Friday, peaking at 15,009.59 before falling back below the mark later that day. On Tuesday, it closed at a new all-time high of 15,056.20, up 87 points, or nearly 1 percent — the latest in a string of record closes for Wall Street, which has put the recession in the rearview mirror.

Markets around the world were also up, reflecting rising investor sentiment that the U.S. economic recovery is firmly on track and the Federal Reserve remains committed to low interest rates. Investors also seem to believe that Europe is getting a handle on its financial crisis.

“The stock market has been on a strong run for several months now,” said Mark Hamrick, Bankrate.com’s Washington bureau chief. “I think the markets have put much of the Great Recession behind them as the economy has been expanding at a decent rate.”

The broader Standard & Poor’s 500 index has also enjoyed a nice run in 2013. The S&P closed Tuesday at 1,625.96, up 8 points, or less than 1 percent. It also broke the 1,600 barrier on Friday, and has held on to its gains.

The Nasdaq closed up more than 3 points or less than 1 percent at 3,396.63, well below a record high.

Analysts say investors are gaining confidence in the markets, which is fueling the recent gains.

“That’s really a vote of confidence in the economic recovery,” said Paul Edelstein, director of financial economics at IHS Global Insight. He pointed out that as the stock market has ticked up, bonds, which are viewed as a safer investment, have declined. That means investors are feeling safer about stocks, and see less of a need to hedge against possible downturns"



The day you posted this, the AP had another story out about the rising stocks being a result of investors hoping to cash in on continued federal stimulus dollars. 1st quarter growth was downgraded and unemployment went up by 10k jobs. Couple that analysis with the fact that the number of people living in poverty continues to rise and it's pretty clear that this rise in stocks is purely manufactured.

If... IF that story is correct, there are not any signs that this is some kind of sustainable increase. If the stocks are actually rising because investors expect government funds to bolster the stock market, then either the Fed will have to continue to throw money into the markets or the market will start to go down again. Since this administration believes that problems can be solved by throwing money at them, it's a crap shoot and investors are milking the Fed until Bernanke kills their cash cow.

Now. Why would I bring that up? Because it appears that it actually IS what has been going on. Consider yesterdays article in Business Standard which states quite clearly that the Fed has been busy injecting cash into the markets.

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Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said last week that an improvement in data could trigger the central bank to start tapering its asset purchases in coming months, stoking fears that the $85-billion-a-month liquidity injection will soon come to an end.


The Fed has been injecting EIGHTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH into the market to effect this artificial increase. So, in reality the stock market has been going up as a direct result of government meddling for some time. The gains you are so proud of are 100% fake. What you are seeing is professional traders feeding off of tax money being injected into the market. The only way that stocks continue to rise is if Bernanke continues to artificially bolster the market. If he does decide to taper the Feds contribution, the market will go down accordingly. If Bernanke cuts of all funding the market would crash.

Aside from the fact that these stock gains you credit to Obummer are completely artificial, the truth here is that all the credit/blame for these meaningless gains in the stock market are credited to Bernanke. It appears that Obummers failing economic policies are so bad that it is necessary for the Fed to step in and cover his ass to the tune of 85 billion dollars a month.

-SD-



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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 3:22:39 AM   
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You're never going to convince the lunatic left in this country that "throwing money" at a problem (as long as it isn't their money) isn't the right way to solve the problem. They're licking their chops, here.



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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 6:29:24 AM   
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You're never going to convince the lunatic left in this country that "throwing money" at a problem (as long as it isn't their money) isn't the right way to solve the problem. They're licking their chops, here.



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It would appear according to our constitution and reality that it is the imbecilic right that is throwing the lefts money around.



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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 6:33:49 AM   
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You're never going to convince the lunatic left in this country that "throwing money" at a problem (as long as it isn't their money) isn't the right way to solve the problem. They're licking their chops, here.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



It would appear according to our constitution and reality that it is the imbecilic right that is throwing the lefts money around.





Wonderful spin.

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 6:43:07 AM   
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No spin, just stating the facts.  Something that the neo-teabaggers are unable to do, and have always been unable to do. 

You see, we have no broad selloff, no reason to panic, the market fluctuates, and at this high it is a good time for some of the (a very small set if we look at the who and what) folks to rake in options and bonus cash given in stock.  Will it go down at some point?  Yes, that is what history tells us. 



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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 10:10:33 AM   
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For all the new heights that the "Dow Jones can Suck my Bones" DJIA has achieved, we have to acknowledge that much of it is due to the elation over the lowering of wages which always results from high unemployment.

Making both bond holders and share holders happy at the same time is a neat trick.

I'm not sure how elated we should be with that achievement.




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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 10:59:44 AM   
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It would appear according to our constitution and reality that it is the imbecilic right that is throwing the lefts money around.


The Red States are subsidized by the blue ones. This is one of your better retorts....

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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 11:22:12 AM   
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The blue states have given us the worst presidents ever (please, don't give me this crap about any of the Bush clan being "from Texas." Kennebunkport is home, whatever Colorado or Texas or Florida their reptile 'Alien!' evil bastard children may latch themselves onto).

And by the way, Exxon, Koch Bros., Monsanto, AIG, etc. are not based in "red" states, though being the largest, by far, of those suckling at the teat of the Treasury. Are the Bahamas a 'red' or 'blue' state? Just curious. Yes, Exxon and Koch Bros. have office HQ in 'red' states, but Delaware or the Bahamas is home, for accounting purposes.

It comes as no surprise to me that the same state (a "Blue state," considered as such only by politicos and other imbeciles) whose actual r/l voters, by referendum, voted to waive all oil royalties pumped from their ground to Chevron, is the same state that foisted the worst president ever upon this nation.

Not even Texas, Louisiana, Alaska, etc., are THAT stupid.







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RE: Dow Jones hits new high, closes above 15,000 for fi... - 6/1/2013 11:31:59 AM   
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Yes, I was speaking of Cali, for the 200 million dimwits in this country that actually need the explication.


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