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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 8:29:30 AM   
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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 8:44:00 AM   
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Ever feel this way, especially when searching for someone online? It's gotten to the point where I start wondering what kind of game someone is trying to play with me with every message that I get. These days, I feel like someone can't even offer advice without me thinking that they're only doing so so that they can later claim to be experts on the subject and offer me the opportunity to experience what they have to offer if I ask nicely. Or maybe a seemingly pleasant guy suddenly gets violently rude when things don't go his way. This scenario makes me the most nervous when it comes to meeting someone. everything is going well and then you say something they don't like or, god forbid, politely turn them down for personal reasons and they turn around and call you every name in the book. Makes me afraid of even the nice guys because I worry he'll turn rotten when he doesn't get his way. I wouldn't be so afraid if it weren't so common. But it's not like I can test them ahead of time on that because then I am being rude for putting someone through disappointment just to see if they can handle it. I surely wouldn't want to be treated that way, nor would I still want the person after the fact.

So basically I feel like I've become so bitter and jaded that I'm actually in my own way of finding the right guy. What do you guys who face this do to not be so untrusting towards people who message you? Do you just take a chance on the nice guy who might do a 180 when you're at your most vulnerable?



I think that you get what you put out there. If the emotions that you are feeling are bitter and jaded, whether your realize it or not, those emotions will find a way to project themselves. Then you are going to attract those types of people who want to capitalize on those emotions. Thus, creating a never ending cycle. You need to deal with the fear and eliminate it from your life. Quite possibly, you need to see someone professional to help you work through those issues and how to deal with them internally. If you allow them to continue, your life is going to pass you by. I don't think anyone can tell you how to deal with the issues you have. I think you need a journey of enlightenment and to find what works best for you.


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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 9:15:30 AM   
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Just me but I believe everyone is at least somewhat selfish. We are all looking for what we desire not what the other person desires...Sooo expect the worse from people then you will not be so disappointed. When you are lucky enough to find someone whose desires parallel yours then it will be a pleasant surprise. And that is what's important...not trying to change someone to match your desires...it never works...by finding someone who matches yours within reason and tolerance.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 1:00:18 PM   
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I will say this much. I have updated my profile a lot over the years. I did have some fetish photos of me on my Collarme profile and was mostly just focusing on the fetish aspect. I do think some of the best advice I have received on here was to get rid of those photos,put up some vanilla photos and remove references to my kinks. After all,theres a whole list of kinks just for that. I do think it has made a positive impact.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 3:45:24 PM   
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wanna know how to get over being jaded?

Meet quality men.

How do you do that?

See my last response.


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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 4:19:14 PM   
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Actually, I understand your concerns, curious23. While I also have a fetish-oriented profile, most of my prior online partner seeking was through match.com with a pure vanilla profile looking for a long term relationship only.

And there are some folks with hair-trigger anger issues out there. Thankfully, my vetting process has so far weeded out most in the email stage. These are the kind of folks who start all sweet and nice and then go ballistic just because you didn't reply within a day or two. If someone gets all upset because of a delay in response they don't like, I immediately drop all communication now. I shared some of these 'scary' emails with other decent folks I've met over the years. One fellow even suggested that maybe intentionally delaying response or cancelling and then rescheduling a first meeting would be a way to test for folks with this sort of anger problem. Interesting idea, but I do NOT play games like that. I'm slow to respond sometimes for life reasons or because I want to find time to think over how I want to respond, but I won't delay just to delay.

You are much younger than me, and likely more attractive and feminine, so may well get a higher percentage of these scary folks. I think you'll learn good vetting techniques over time that fit you best and learn to not get too wrapped up when a prospective partner turns out to be not someone you want to deal with. Maybe a little detachment until you know the person better is a good thing -- and I wouldn't necessarily call it 'jaded'.

For a relationship type of connection, it's generally true for everyone that most people just won't be a match. So while I'm always hopeful meeting new folks, it isn't a big deal if things just don't fit. Because that will be true most of the time. I just go in curious about the other person, what they are like, their experiences, etc.

Nowadays, while I am open to a LTR, I'm mostly seeking play partners. Hence the more kink-focused slant of my profile. It isn't clear what your goal is. Is it a LTR? Your profile does read more like one from a person seeking casual play/sex partners. Is that what you want? If so, great!

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 6:42:06 PM   
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quote:

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And the point is that it is going to continue to be hard to build that trust when the first thing men see about you is that you are a stripper.

Being a stripper isn't about being "open about your sexuality" either, so don't even try to go there. Perhaps for you, that is why, but for the other girls? No, not about their sexuality at all. I worked in a number of go go bars years ago, and the girls being proud of their sexuality had nothing to do with it. So just get off your little high horse about what being a stripper is.

For whatever reason you have become jaded and unable to trust, it isn't based in the messages you get here. It is something else that happened prior to this. Perhaps you were burned by an ex. I don't know and it doesn't matter to me. It should matter to you. Because you need to come to terms with what went wrong that caused things, your part and what you can do different.

But you will STILL get more messages from guys figuring you are an easy lay, and you know what? They think that because that is what you are telling them in your profile. You obviously don't like that answer, but that doesn't make it less true. No one has advocated that you lie about what you do. I don't lie to anyone about what I do, but it isn't in my profile either. It doesn't need to be, you know why? Because I am NOT my job/career.

But when you lead with your sexuality, that is ALL men see. It's hard enough to get them to think past the concept that BDSM is the equivalent of "easy lay." Why do you want to lead them in that direction if that is not where you want to go? For fuck's sake, write a grown up profile about WHO you are, not what you do. When you receive an email that seems appealing, then embark on a conversation. As that progresses, what you both do for a living will come up. But by then, you will already have an idea if you are interested in the guy, and if he is interested in more than getting a private dance and playing stinky finger with you.

Until you do that, the question of whether a guy is a jerk or not isn't going to go away. Like it or not, your profile reaches out to jerks with a big old freak flag and says, "over here guys!"

So get a grip on reality chickie. People are trying to help you here. If you don't like it, take your toys, go home and figure it out for yourself. But if you think you aren't wondering about these guys because of what you do, then you are deluding yourself.



You TOTALLY missed the point of my original post. Read the whole thread if you care to have your facts straight about the quality and quantity of my messages. As far as stripping goes, it IS about sexuality to ME and I enjoy the hell out of it. Sorry if you didn't but don't group me with you or those you know. Again, read the thread if you care to know what I'm ACTUALLY asking about.

Learn to read or, as you put it, go home. Sorry if I come off as hostile but I hate when people criticize me and what I say based on false information that THEY got wrong.


I and the others saying the same thing have not missed the point of your post. Read the bold part of my response above. I did say it might not be about that for you. For the record, I didn't work as a stripper, I tended bar. I've never had a desire to work as a stripper even though I was constantly asked to do so in the places I worked. I could care less if you are a stripper. Obviously though, you do, or you wouldn't feel such a need to defend your choices. When you grow up a bit, you might figure some of that out.

The fact is, you are coming off as hostile, because you don't like the responses you are receiving. That's one of the trappings of youth, but that will piss you off as well. Look at the part of your response I bolded. You don't like the answers. Nearly everyone who gets responses they don't like says people didn't understand what they were saying.

You didn't get as many jerk off messages, but it does seem that way, I'm sure. Of course, we haven't seen your previous profile, so who knows what you had written in there. You haven't been here that long, and I do mean on the other side, not over here. Less than 2 years. How many times have you changed your profile in that time? Each time you do, it hits the top of the lists and you get an influx of asshole messages.

I stand by my post. In order to stop being jaded, you need to figure out what is causing it. You want some quick fix answer and there isn't one. But a good start is to stop leading with your sexuality if that isn't what you ultimately want out of a relationship. It doesn't work. How do we know? Because we've been here a while and we have had the time to figure these things out.

Of course, you can continue to think that people just don't understand what you are saying. Of course, this isn't the first post where you have made that accusation, so perhaps you should evaluate your communication style a bit.

The way you are doing things now is obviously not working for you, or you wouldn't have made this post. However, it seems you don't want to really fix things. Sometimes the way to stop being jaded is to change how you are doing things. You learn how to trust, but starting to trust. If you honestly believe you are messing things up with "nice guys," and you don't think you need to change the way you are thinking or why that is, then you need help we can't give you.


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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 10:19:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Sorry. I posted this earlier and will post it again.

It does not matter what you put on your profile, you will still get some asshats.


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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/1/2013 10:50:23 PM   
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Of course you will. Asshats come no matter what. But, asshats are looking for easy marks. I manage to keep the numbers down by not discussing too much of what I am looking for in a relationship or a man. Not too long ago I got a message from one saying how I would be perfect except that I love cats... and then he proceeded to explain just, sexually, what I would have been perfect for. I wrote back thanking him for the interest and the best laugh I had that day.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/2/2013 7:17:14 AM   
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Yea, some of the "suggestions" we get in our mail is hysterical.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/2/2013 10:09:34 AM   
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I can see how your profile may make you an easier target, but I also understand why your wrote it. It sounds like stripping is important to you and are looking for someone that is accepting of it - at least, that's how I took it. I agree, though, that you should list more about YOU - stripping can't be all you're about.
Either way, you are going to get some douche lords.

I'm not searching for anyone but can imagine it would become tiresome and see how you may become a bit jaded. I'm a bit of a cynic, so I personally would approach each message with caution. Like Butch said, a match would be a pleasant surprise.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/2/2013 6:24:44 PM   
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Everytime I read this thread, I keep hearing the same thing in my head....my daughter when she was a teenager and she wouldn't like something I said; "but you just don't understaaaaand" as she would huff and puff and the tears would start and then the door would slam to her bedroom.

And now her as an adult saying "why did you put up with that when I was a kid??".

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/2/2013 10:44:58 PM   
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@ op

Jaded? ... Yeah, I can see where the percentage of fakes, asshats, and worse could push you towards that situation. From a Dom-Male's point of view, the percentage of real fem-sub profiles might be somewhat similar. I figure maybe 2/3 - 3/4 of them as artificial; anything from sexshop phonebanks, to nigerian phish-ops, to 'relocate' scams, to 'doms' sockpuppeting. A few profiles I recognize as women involved in the local scene, but generally, I'd swap messages with them at another site.

Jaded? ... Honestly, I'm-(We're) not currently looking for more partners. If somebody interesting wanders in, or wants to play at a party, that's fine and dandy. Every now and then, I might send a friendly note, or contact info for local groups, but there ain't an active hunt in progress. That said, a simple request from anybody who appears moderately sane is pretty much all it'd take to meet for a cup of coffee or at a munch. I dunno if that's 'jaded', but I'm not really expecting more, and if anything more did develop, it'd be over a matter of weeks and months, 'cause there'd need to be more in common than kink/sex relationship.

Regarding the stripper elements in your profile, that's both likely to incite lots of attention from guys looking for easy tail, and might lead to trust/jealousy issues if you have long-term that's preferred monogamy. Sure, there are some guys who get-off on the idea of their lady dancing/teasing other guys, and probably fewer who are into sharing/pimping, but all that can get as or more complicated than polyamory/open stuff. On the other hand, if that's what you plan as career, maybe it's better kept up-front.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/3/2013 10:34:33 PM   
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You set yourself up for failure the moment you made your profile text all about being a stripper.

You're very welcome for my honesty. You're a complete twit if you think giggling and bouncing your ass on a stage is going to make men respect you.
Really, beautiful, talented, athletic, where's the fucking door?.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/3/2013 10:42:13 PM   
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You set yourself up for failure the moment you made your profile text all about being a stripper.

You're very welcome for my honesty. You're a complete twit if you think giggling and bouncing your ass on a stage is going to make men respect you.

I don't agree with this. Of course I am not denying a large population of men will disrespect strippers. But all the more she should be upfront about it, because, there will be the rare few who does not think less of a woman for stripping. And those few would be keepers.

I agree not stating your job upfront would probably heighten your chances of finding decent men, except..., eventually you still got to break the news right? And you would have gotten closer, more emotionally entangled, only to get rejected at the end.

It's a difficult job you chose, and of course the path to find the right man will be difficult too.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/3/2013 11:39:01 PM   
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I completely understand what you are saying and have been there many times myself!

I didn't realize or understand just how jaded I was until I went to Burning Man for the first time- it changed me in a very positive way (even my friends saw a difference). Thanks to that experience I now know what it feels like to not be jaded so I have a good base line.

Trying to find the right partner/mate feels like treading water, forever. And all the ass hats just weigh you down.

When I feel the bitterness coming on I think about something an acting instructor said to me, "Actors have to be like virgins. Every time you are doing the scene has to be like the first time you have ever done the scene." That is my mantra when meeting a new person so I don't project all the previous assholes onto him. That and understanding that I will attract what I send out usually helps me talk myself out of despair. Staying fresh and positive takes work and energy.

Something else that seems to work is changing my enviroment. If I am getting discouraged with CollarMe or OKCupid I deactivate my profiles for a few months and try something that isn't related to online, like board game meet-up,s etc.

I hope I was helpful.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/4/2013 4:00:28 PM   
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What you're referring to isn't a problem that's unique to this site but any internet dating or social networking site. Collar me is really nothing more than a niche dating site, and any kind of blind date can be dangerous. Sites like collar me obviously attract more than their fair share of odd balls, fantasists, and desperate people. Meeting someone from any site is risky, so take extra precautions. There are a lot of very genuine people on here, but there are also a lot of people looking for financial gain, easy sex, and the chance to fulfill a fantasy. The only thing you can do is try to choose wisely, and never believe what people say on profiles. And if you do meet someone and find you're not suited don't see it as a failure on your part, but as another step in the right direction.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/4/2013 5:36:39 PM   
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I make it a point a very big point not to trust anyone online even a little bit. Wait until you actually meet someone. (IN A PUBLIC PLACE) a few times before you even start the process of trust. The stripper thing is semi true but I hate to tell everyone this. It applies to every single thing people talk about here. Sub = easy sex    Slave = easy sex etc... etc..... Keep your head on straight lady and I am sure you will find a good guy. Just be careful.

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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/4/2013 6:14:24 PM   
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If stripping is important to you and you choose to put it in your profile, that's cool. You know that it will be seen as "I'm an easy slut" by a lot of folks and you've decided that your clarity is more important than those people seeing it this way. That's cool too. You've decided to put a spotlight on something most people will respond to in a negative way, and you've decided to deal with the negativity. That is totally cool too. You have realized that dealing with the negativity results in your being jaded. You have decided that this is an acceptable situation. That's cool.

The question is how to deal with those choices you've made. As many people have pointed out, there is the option of not putting yourself in that position. I liken it to going to a serious business meeting all dressed in a slinky dress with holes cut out in strategic places and a pair of fuck me pumps. You have the right to choose that dress and that pair of fuck me pumps. The men at the meeting will mostly choose not to see you as someone to take seriously from a business point of view and not pay attention to anything but cleavage, ass, fuck me pumps and those strategic holes. And you want to deal with the irritation that they don't take you seriously.

Well....

I'm honestly not sure it's possible. You have made your pool of possible partners so small that you might be looking for a needle in a haystack. Nothing wrong with that. It's a matter of being aware that this is the position you are in and making choices based on that reality.

How to deal with your jaded feelings? From a psychological standpoint, I don't think it's possible to not become jaded. Research studies show that people become desensitized by being put in the same situation over and over again. You are choosing to put yourself in a situation that will naturally turn you into a jaded person. I'm trying to come up with how to deal with it, and I keep coming back to - you are choosing to put yourself in a situation that will naturally turn you into a jaded person.

Perhaps you need to not be on the computer? We know that the computer tends to give people a hit of Dutch courage and they tend to be more abrasive than they are in real life. So all in all, you've again set yourself up. Perhaps you need to get into a sex-positive group in your area... attend functions at the gay and lesbian community center or the local bdsm or swingers groups, volunteer at the hiv clinic, etc. There are sex-positive people and groups in most areas (unless you live in the Middle East - which I presume you don't). By being with sex positive people who walk the walk (and don't hide behind their computer screens), you put yourself in a position to be treated better face to face than when you interact with people who hide behind their keyboards. While you may not be interested in gay people, swinging, hiv+ folks, these groups tend to attract more sex-positive people, and they usually have friends... who are also sex positive.

When you add Heat, Oxygen, and Fuel you get fire. That's reality. You are putting together Stripper plus Computer Induced Negative Responses plus Time. Jaded is the result. Perhaps the only thing you can do is accept that you will be jaded and find a man who likes jaded strippers?

good luck,
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RE: Too jaded for love or sex? - 6/4/2013 8:29:13 PM   
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Sunshinemiss, you are MAGNIFICENT!!!

How wonderfully, understandably and succinctly put.

You have a helluva good head on your shoulders, a compassionate heart and soft touch to boot. I just may have to perv ya after that!

OP, listen to this gal. She knows that of which she speaks.

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