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Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform

The immigration reform measure the Senate began debating yesterday would create a national biometric database of virtually every adult in the U.S., in what privacy groups fear could be the first step to a ubiquitous national identification system.

Buried in the more than 800 pages of the bipartisan legislation (.pdf) is language mandating the creation of the innocuously-named “photo tool,” a massive federal database administered by the Department of Homeland Security and containing names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the country with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.

Employers would be obliged to look up every new hire in the database to verify that they match their photo.

This piece of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act is aimed at curbing employment of undocumented immigrants. But privacy advocates fear the inevitable mission creep, ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet. Think of it as a government version of Foursquare, with Big Brother cataloging every check-in.
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names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the country with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Unfortunately, the article does not say who had this bright idea.

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Unfortunately, the article does not say who had this bright idea.

Please tell me that was sarcasm.


Orwell must be laughing his ass off.

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names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the country with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.

That isn't biometric. Biometric markers are unique, and not easily altered.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Seems to be a bit of a problem here. Some people loudly want an end to illegal immigration and the only really viable way to stop it is to hit the employers that either knowingly or unknowingly hire illegals. For something like 30 years we've had the present system requiring the employer to check multiple forms of ID and the illegals simply got forged documents. So if you really do want to stop brown people from coming here you're going to have to go along with something like this.

So which is anti immigrant people, do you dislike brown people so much you'd rather live in a police state or will you accept that poor people will seek a better life and our nation is improved by their contributions?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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Seems to be a bit of a problem here. Some people loudly want an end to illegal immigration and the only really viable way to stop it is to hit the employers that either knowingly or unknowingly hire illegals. For something like 30 years we've had the present system requiring the employer to check multiple forms of ID and the illegals simply got forged documents. So if you really do want to stop brown people from coming here you're going to have to go along with something like this.
So which is anti immigrant people, do you dislike brown people so much you'd rather live in a police state or will you accept that poor people will seek a better life and our nation is improved by their contributions?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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Seems to be a bit of a problem here. Some people loudly want an end to illegal immigration and the only really viable way to stop it is to hit the employers that either knowingly or unknowingly hire illegals. For something like 30 years we've had the present system requiring the employer to check multiple forms of ID and the illegals simply got forged documents. So if you really do want to stop brown people from coming here you're going to have to go along with something like this.
So which is anti immigrant people, do you dislike brown people so much you'd rather live in a police state or will you accept that poor people will seek a better life and our nation is improved by their contributions?

You took the wrong leap, Ken.

Wanting an end to illegal immigration is not the same thing as wanting to stop brown people from coming here. No one I would consider sane wants to end immigration. Everyone wants to end illegal immigration. All those who I have talked to about this stuff, also want to increase legal immigration. That is, make it easier and faster for those seeking a better life.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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Seems to be a bit of a problem here. Some people loudly want an end to illegal immigration and the only really viable way to stop it is to hit the employers that either knowingly or unknowingly hire illegals. For something like 30 years we've had the present system requiring the employer to check multiple forms of ID and the illegals simply got forged documents. So if you really do want to stop brown people from coming here you're going to have to go along with something like this.
So which is anti immigrant people, do you dislike brown people so much you'd rather live in a police state or will you accept that poor people will seek a better life and our nation is improved by their contributions?

You took the wrong leap, Ken.
Wanting an end to illegal immigration is not the same thing as wanting to stop brown people from coming here. No one I would consider sane wants to end immigration. Everyone wants to end illegal immigration. All those who I have talked to about this stuff, also want to increase legal immigration. That is, make it easier and faster for those seeking a better life.

Then you speak to the wrong people. All the loudest voices on the issue want to functionally end all migration except from western Europe.
The fact remains though that the only way to stop companies from hiring illegals and therefore creating an incentive to come here illegally is to implement a police state where you have to be able to positively establish your identity at all times.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform
Employers would be obliged to look up every new hire in the database to verify that they match their photo.

...ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet.

Unfortunately, the article does not say who had this bright idea.

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Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform
Employers would be obliged to look up every new hire in the database to verify that they match their photo.

...ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet.

Unfortunately, the article does not say who had this bright idea.

Apart from logging on the 'net (in which you need to prove you are the bill-payer anyway), we already have that here.
The only difference being that it isn't correlated into a single point of reference (yet).

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Hey Jlf, this piece of misinformation was previously posted for discussion. I guess you missed it. The biometric system only refers to immigrants seeking work permits. NOT to US citizens in the aggregate. Much ado about nothing here.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

If you login to an open or public WiFi spot - that's fine.
Anyone can do that.
Not that I would ever dream of doing anything so reckless.

But you can't get internet installed over here without proving that you pay the phone bill. If you can't prove you are the bill-payer, you have to get permission from the bill-payer to get it installed.

The same with everything else on JLF's list - you have to prove who you are or that you are the legit occupier and rent payer of the living space, or both, before anything is allowed.

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If you login to an open or public WiFi spot - that's fine.
Anyone can do that.
Not that I would ever dream of doing anything so reckless.

But you can't get internet installed over here without proving that you pay the phone bill. If you can't prove you are the bill-payer, you have to get permission from the bill-payer to get it installed.

The same with everything else on JLF's list - you have to prove who you are or that you are the legit occupier and rent payer of the living space, or both, before anything is allowed.

that unfortunately helps to create an underclass of people without enough or the right ID, or bank accounts or homes.. it traps people so they can not even get govt help.. you cant get ID without an address and you cant get an address without ID, etc, etc.. its a great boon to check cashers tho & others that prey on those people that are extremely poor and considerably less fortunate..

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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Seems to be a bit of a problem here. Some people loudly want an end to illegal immigration and the only really viable way to stop it is to hit the employers that either knowingly or unknowingly hire illegals. For something like 30 years we've had the present system requiring the employer to check multiple forms of ID and the illegals simply got forged documents. So if you really do want to stop brown people from coming here you're going to have to go along with something like this.
So which is anti immigrant people, do you dislike brown people so much you'd rather live in a police state or will you accept that poor people will seek a better life and our nation is improved by their contributions?

You took the wrong leap, Ken.
Wanting an end to illegal immigration is not the same thing as wanting to stop brown people from coming here. No one I would consider sane wants to end immigration. Everyone wants to end illegal immigration. All those who I have talked to about this stuff, also want to increase legal immigration. That is, make it easier and faster for those seeking a better life.

Then you speak to the wrong people. All the loudest voices on the issue want to functionally end all migration except from western Europe.
The fact remains though that the only way to stop companies from hiring illegals and therefore creating an incentive to come here illegally is to implement a police state where you have to be able to positively establish your identity at all times.

Perhaps it is you that is speaking to the wrong people, Ken. I speak primarily to conservatives (not to the exclusion of liberals) in my local area. Of all those people, none that I would consider sane wants to end all immigration, and, none wants to end the immigration of "brown people" (to use your terminology).

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
So which is anti immigrant people, do you dislike brown people so much you'd rather live in a police state or will you accept that poor people will seek a better life and our nation is improved by their contributions?