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RE: Obama, an amateur? - 6/3/2013 1:21:06 AM

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I find it amusing that the quote I tried to research: "I've heard more from Bush, asking for my advice, than I’ve heard from Obama..." is easily found on every right-wing site from FOX News to Prison Planet. Yet, on any news media outlet around the world that still tries to maintain good journalistic qualities, its no where to be seen. Now why do you suppose that is?

1. I would expect the right-wing to snatch up and trumpet anything that makes the President look bad and for the left-wing to ignore it. No surprise there.

2. Why would you expect journalists in any other country would necessarily care about an argument between Clinton and Obama when their country probably has its own issues to deal with and report on?

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RE: Obama, an amateur? - 6/3/2013 1:47:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: joether

I find it amusing that the quote I tried to research: "I've heard more from Bush, asking for my advice, than I’ve heard from Obama..." is easily found on every right-wing site from FOX News to Prison Planet. Yet, on any news media outlet around the world that still tries to maintain good journalistic qualities, its no where to be seen. Now why do you suppose that is?

The right wing echo chamber. It's a particularly insidious part of the conservative movement. It serves to obfuscate the source of lies and half truths spread by right wing media. One news site will report the story because another slightly less reputable one did. Tracing back you'll wind up at some blog or book or article no real journalist would ever treat as a credible primary source

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RE: Obama, an amateur? - 6/3/2013 2:05:49 AM

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The fact that even Republicans came out against the writer of this book when he wrote about Hillary should tell people something.

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RE: Obama, an amateur? - 6/3/2013 3:35:00 AM

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I've heard more from Bush, asking for my advice, than I’ve heard from Obama,” my sources quoted Clinton as saying. “I have no relationship with the president — none whatsoever. Obama doesn’t know how to be president. He doesn’t know how the world works. He’s incompetent. He’s an amateur!”

Hammer meets nail.

I tend to doubt that the NY Post has any credibility. And the use of anonymous sources is skeezy although necessary.

However, if Bush asked and used Clinton's advice and Obama didn't, I'd say that the results speak for themselves. Although Obama isn't my favorite President, he'd be smart to avoid using Bush's advisers.

Thinking a minute, I recall Bush using only advice from his cabal (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc.), and being notorious for rejecting advice from other sources, including the advisers that his father used, for example when they said not to invade Iraq. He certainly wouldn't have listened to a Democrat, one whose worldview was so different from the neocons. I suspect the Post's sources to be imaginary or liars.

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RE: Obama, an amateur? - 6/3/2013 4:13:58 AM

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Is Obama an amateur who wasn't ready for the job he was elected to?

Absofuckinlutely.

This begs the question.
Is the Republican leadership so out of touch and ignorant that they couldn't beat him even after an ineffectual first 4 years?

Yup.

Next question. What are the Republicans going to do differently in 2016?

My prediction. Not a damn thing.

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RE: Obama, an amateur? - 6/3/2013 6:00:24 AM

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Next question. What are the Republicans going to do differently in 2016?

My prediction. Not a damn thing.

I disagree.

1. In 2012, the GOP faced a sitting President and attacked him on his record. They had issues because a lot of people tied the mess to Bush rather than Obama. in 2016, the GOP will not be able to attack the record unless Biden is the nominee (God help us). If it is Clinton like I suspect, they'll pull out Benghazi again (and it will fail again). They will be careful to avoid any mention of the economy so nobody compares the Clinton and Bush economies. They'd stockpiled a bunch of stuff to attack Hillary with in 2008 and were surprised when Obama won and they couldn't used it - they'll unearth it, blow off the dust, and use it.

2. The GOP will once again face the issue regarding what to do about minorities. They have to worry about alienating the growing minority power at the polls, or alienating the core GOP support of old, wealthy, nonminorities. No difference from 2012.

3. The GOP has to get past its math-impaired, computer-hopeless, social media-muddled self. Obama has turned social media into a weapon, while the GOP still wasn't able to interpret any polls unless it liked them. I don't know if they'll be able to advance, although they were hopelessly behind the Dems in 2012. In addition, in 2012, the GOP showed a huge lack of leadership when they failed to test their Orca software and were unable to figure out how to use their field operatives once the software crashed.

4. Romney proved very nimble at presenting himself as a severe conservative during the primaries and then turning a sharp left and becoming a moderate for the general. I expect the GOP will be further fragmented in 2016, and I don't see anyone with the stature of Reagan to unite the party. I expect another moderate to win, but I expect the primary to alienate a lot of hardliners.

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