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RE: Transplants and politics - 6/10/2013 2:17:50 PM

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There are worse things than dying. Death is not always the enemy.

I work in the medical field and what some people go through should be outlawed. I feel so sorry for them.

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RE: Transplants and politics - 6/10/2013 3:07:37 PM

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Some of you guys do things way way way too tough for me.
I knew a stripper (beautiful girl) who started stripping after leaving a job as a nurse on a children's oncology ward. I think it literally drove her crazy.

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RE: Transplants and politics - 6/11/2013 9:10:47 AM

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Karma is a bitch, I lost an aunt who was waiting for a liver.

I am sorry for your loss.

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Again, you (Rule) make massive assumptions about many people.

I am well acquainted with death, having 'died' myself. My sis is near suicide for reason of pain because of a mysterious, so far undiagnosed illness. And our mom recently was five minutes from death and her physician would have let her die if not four of her children were in that room and one of them said "I do not want her to die from suffocation". So he sent her to the hospital end very quickly she recovered. Otherwise I would still be in mourning.

Death is part of life. Death is often meant to be. It is human - natural for all animals - to try to elude death; but it is evil to do so at all costs.

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RE: Transplants and politics - 6/12/2013 1:38:17 PM

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An update....

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A 10-year-old girl whose efforts to qualify for an organ donation drew public debate over how organs are allocated was getting a double-lung transplant Wednesday after a match with an adult donor was made.

http://www.wistv.com/story/22571125/pa-girl-who-took-on-organ-donor-rules-gets-lung

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RE: Transplants and politics - 6/28/2013 7:05:48 PM

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That transplant failed.

She now has had a second lung transplant.

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RE: Transplants and politics - 6/28/2013 7:55:12 PM

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Experts whose expertise is evaluated by .... whom, exactly?

Their track record.

Organ transplant folks: umpteen successful transplantations, and fewer unsuccessful ones.
Us ordinary folks: no successful transplantations, and hopefully no unsuccessful ones, either.

Seems pretty clear who's got input on this. If you want to get into the details more, then good on you. The basic element, though, is: this, we the people delegate.

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Other experts eminently qualified to select and evaluate them because other experts said they were qualified to do so?

You make it sound like something it's not. Read up on how such systems are built. That improvements are in order is nothing new. That they're miles ahead of the general population on this point is well established and, for practical purposes, a given. Better beats worse, even when better isn't perfect. We should be concerned with the objectively tunable elements- prioritizing between the goals our experts (by our criterion) tell us are prioritizable.

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Oversight and sunlight are good medicine for more institutions than simply the legislative branch of government

There is oversight in medical committees, review boards and the like.

There is plenty of sunlight. Most of the field gets recorded, much of it also published. These aren't secret, shady dealings.

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RE: Transplants and politics - 6/28/2013 7:57:00 PM

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Canada's issue for transplantation is signing people up.

That's the issue here, too, and there's talk occasionally talk of introducing mandatory organ donation to resolve that issue.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they went from opt-in to opt-out on that point, though I do mind taking away the opt-out.

Most people just never consider it until a loved one is dead, and then make an emotional decision in the moment.

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