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kalikshama -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 3:31:16 PM)
Would you agree that the law that exonerated this man given these facts needs to be changed? A witness told police Gilbert paid for a specific amount of time with Frago and got angry as she left before they had sex, according to a police report. She got into a car, and when Gilbert was told he would not be getting his money back he fired into the car,

crazyml -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 3:32:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama When I pro-subbed, clients often wondered about sex. They didn't get it, nor did they get their money back (not that they ever asked for it back.) But, I'd be willing to bet that you were pretty good at communicating before a session what was on and what was not on the "menu" so to speak?

crazyml -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 3:34:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Would you agree that the law that exonerated this man given these facts needs to be changed? A witness told police Gilbert paid for a specific amount of time with Frago and got angry as she left before they had sex, according to a police report. She got into a car, and when Gilbert was told he would not be getting his money back he fired into the car, Yes. Would you agree that the law that exonerated a person given these (ypothetical) facts needs to be changed? "The shop keeper saw the young man reach over into the till and take $150 dollars and run out of the door, he called after the young man to tell him to stop and return the money, when the young man didn't respond, the shopkeeper shot him"

Powergamz1 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 3:38:21 PM)
Again, it was changed in 1985 by the US Supreme Court. Deadly force against any American citizen, anywhere in the country, is not authorized over mere petty theft. If the police can't shoot you in the back, neither can the shopkeeper.... or the john. The fact that Texas kept it on the books is no more convincing than if they kept runaway slave laws on the books. quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Would you agree that the law that exonerated this man given these facts needs to be changed? A witness told police Gilbert paid for a specific amount of time with Frago and got angry as she left before they had sex, according to a police report. She got into a car, and when Gilbert was told he would not be getting his money back he fired into the car, Yes. Would you agree that the law that exonerated a person given these (ypothetical) facts needs to be changed? "The shop keeper saw the young man reach over into the till and take $150 dollars and run out of the door, he called after the young man to tell him to stop and return the money, when the young man didn't respond, the shopkeeper shot him"

crazyml -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 3:44:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Again, it was changed in 1985 by the US Supreme Court. Deadly force against any American citizen, anywhere in the country, is not authorized over mere petty theft. If the police can't shoot you in the back, neither can the shopkeeper.... or the john. The fact that Texas kept it on the books is no more convincing than if they kept runaway slave laws on the books. I'm not familiar enough with US law to unravel this - but if you're saying that the US supreme court has ruled this kind of act unlawful, then I'm sure that the is a case for some kind of appeal or retrial?

DomKen -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 4:17:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Would you agree that the law that exonerated this man given these facts needs to be changed? A witness told police Gilbert paid for a specific amount of time with Frago and got angry as she left before they had sex, according to a police report. She got into a car, and when Gilbert was told he would not be getting his money back he fired into the car, Yes. Would you agree that the law that exonerated a person given these (ypothetical) facts needs to be changed? "The shop keeper saw the young man reach over into the till and take $150 dollars and run out of the door, he called after the young man to tell him to stop and return the money, when the young man didn't respond, the shopkeeper shot him" Yes. Taking property without violence does not call for a lethal response.

cloudboy -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 4:24:38 PM)
"During closing arguments Tuesday, Gilbert's defense team conceded the shooting did occur but said the intent wasn't to kill." Please tell me this is actually copy from THE ONION.

Hillwilliam -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:01:39 PM)
Here's a little contract law. A contract may be oral as in (I'll pay you $30 to mow my yard) and it is enforceable. She may have thought there was a contract. "If you give me $150, I'll do sex acts" Unfortunately, a contract must concern something legal. If you want me to sign a contract for "X" that is not a valid contract. This is where BDSM/slave so-called contracts run into a problem. Now back to the problem. Legally, there was no contract. She accepted $150 and bailed. She even broke the nonbinding contract. This makes her a thief. In the eyes of the law, she is no better than a mugger, shoplifter or common thief. She was a criminal. She died. Tough shit.

Hillwilliam -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:04:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy "During closing arguments Tuesday, Gilbert's defense team conceded the shooting did occur but said the intent wasn't to kill." Please tell me this is actually copy from THE ONION. It doesn't matter. She was a thief. She was a common criminal. She died Tough shit. I hate to get into speculation but as she was on craigslist soliciting business, how many other people had she done this to who were afraid to complain?

Powergamz1 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:10:55 PM)
Interesting how many posters here on a website devoted to letting strangers tie you up and use whips and knives etc. on you are boasting that they think it's OK to kill someone in a situation like that as long as its for a 'good reason'... like $150 dollars. Please move that over to your profiles, won't you?

Hillwilliam -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:14:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Interesting how many posters here on a website devoted to letting strangers tie you up and use whips and knives etc. on you are boasting that they think it's OK to kill someone in a situation like that as long as its for a 'good reason'... like $150 dollars. Please move that over to your profiles, won't you? Who said anything about playing with strangers on this side? The other side is full of wank fodder boyz, duckfacemiddlefingerfindoms and noobs. Let's stay on this side

Powergamz1 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:14:15 PM)
There is nothing to unravel. I'm not saying this, the US Supreme Court made it definitive in the 2 rulings I cited. What I'm saying is that there is a group of regressive politicians and supporters who want to pretend that the federal government has no power over equal rights, and that states can revert to outdated local laws with impunity. The feds need to step in and prove that they can't. quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Again, it was changed in 1985 by the US Supreme Court. Deadly force against any American citizen, anywhere in the country, is not authorized over mere petty theft. If the police can't shoot you in the back, neither can the shopkeeper.... or the john. The fact that Texas kept it on the books is no more convincing than if they kept runaway slave laws on the books. I'm not familiar enough with US law to unravel this - but if you're saying that the US supreme court has ruled this kind of act unlawful, then I'm sure that the is a case for some kind of appeal or retrial?

Hillwilliam -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:29:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 There is nothing to unravel. I'm not saying this, the US Supreme Court made it definitive in the 2 rulings I cited. What I'm saying is that there is a group of regressive politicians and supporters who want to pretend that the federal government has no power over equal rights, and that states can revert to outdated local laws with impunity. The feds need to step in and prove that they can't. A thief was killed by the victim. Does anyone want to bet that if it had been a woman killing a man who stole $150 it wouldn't have even gone to trial? In fact, I'll say that the local media would have made her out to be some kind of hero.[8\|]

Aswad -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:32:25 PM)
~fr~ It strikes me as poor form to shoot an alleged thief without a clear warning. It also strikes me as poor judgment to accept money for an illegal service one didn't provide. How people can twist this into the notion that she was somehow denied the option of saying "No" to sex baffles me, as that option had clearly been chosen and the choice accepted, as evidenced by the fact that he demanded his money back, rather than using the same gun to extract the service he felt she had agreed to provide. Does anyone have any information as to what service *was* agreed on? IWYW, — Aswad.

Powergamz1 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 5:46:18 PM)
The jails have plenty of women in there for using deadly force against men, what in the world are you talking about? quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 There is nothing to unravel. I'm not saying this, the US Supreme Court made it definitive in the 2 rulings I cited. What I'm saying is that there is a group of regressive politicians and supporters who want to pretend that the federal government has no power over equal rights, and that states can revert to outdated local laws with impunity. The feds need to step in and prove that they can't. A thief was killed by the victim. Does anyone want to bet that if it had been a woman killing a man who stole $150 it wouldn't have even gone to trial? In fact, I'll say that the local media would have made her out to be some kind of hero.[8\|]

Hillwilliam -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 6:12:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 The jails have plenty of women in there for using deadly force against men, what in the world are you talking about? quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 There is nothing to unravel. I'm not saying this, the US Supreme Court made it definitive in the 2 rulings I cited. What I'm saying is that there is a group of regressive politicians and supporters who want to pretend that the federal government has no power over equal rights, and that states can revert to outdated local laws with impunity. The feds need to step in and prove that they can't. A thief was killed by the victim. Does anyone want to bet that if it had been a woman killing a man who stole $150 it wouldn't have even gone to trial? In fact, I'll say that the local media would have made her out to be some kind of hero.[8\|] I'm going to hop onto the side of someone who was banned for trolling. If a woman steals from a man and he uses deadly force, he will be subjected to more scrutiny than a woman who uses deadly force against a man. There is also the SPECULATION (I admit this) that she had multiple victims. Most pro criminals have multiple victims (not assuming she was but she WAS advertising OK).

Hillwilliam -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 6:19:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad ~fr~ It strikes me as poor form to shoot an alleged thief without a clear warning. It also strikes me as poor judgment to accept money for an illegal service one didn't provide. How people can twist this into the notion that she was somehow denied the option of saying "No" to sex baffles me, as that option had clearly been chosen and the choice accepted, as evidenced by the fact that he demanded his money back, rather than using the same gun to extract the service he felt she had agreed to provide. Does anyone have any information as to what service *was* agreed on? IWYW, — Aswad. Who says he didn't warn her? Bottom line. Thief gets shot. The only reason it even made the news was it was a man doing the shooting and the prostitution line. As far as I'm concerned, prostitution should be as illegal as mowing someone's yard for a fee. theft is theft

tazzygirl -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 6:32:18 PM)
What did she steal?

Hillwilliam -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 6:39:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What did she steal? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Money . "But instead, Frago walked around his apartment and after about 20 minutes left, saying she had to give the money to her driver, he said"

lovmuffin -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/7/2013 6:40:17 PM)
I'm all for dropping criminals dead in their tracks and all but this, at least on its face seems over the top.

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