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vincentML -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 3:40:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML He knows he is a traitor. That's why he has gone to ground. You know this? How? Clairvoyance? You psychic Vince? There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits the President and his agencies to engage in espionage for the national defense. Against the American people? Really? [8\|] I made no claim to "knowing." I referred to the fugitive. He knew he committed a traitorous act. His actions, his flight speaks volumes for his guilt. And yes against Americans with proper due process and warrants. Nothing new there. Has the 4th Amendment been violated? How so?

vincentML -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 3:45:20 PM)
quote: I also wonder what, if any, role intention should play in all this. It sounds as if he sincerely believed he was doing the right thing. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." That is no defense. We are holding people in prison now who tried to or succeeded in killing our people. Have they all been caught? Is the danger past? You cannot identify them (our enemies) but that is the purpose of the program betrayed by the nutter.

dcnovice -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 3:48:52 PM)
quote: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." That is no defense. Agreed. But knowing (to the extent we can) Snowden's intentions can, I think, help us determine whether he was truly adhering to our enemies and giving them aid and comfort.

DaddySatyr -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 3:48:57 PM)
It's a weird day when the lefties, here, agree with The Donald. LOL I never thought I'd live to see it.

tazzygirl -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 3:58:43 PM)
quote: He knew he committed a traitorous act. Which act was that?

Yachtie -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 3:59:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I made no claim to "knowing." I referred to the fugitive. He knew he committed a traitorous act. His actions, his flight speaks volumes for his guilt. You deny then unbelievably fucking do it again. You are making a statement concerning what HE KNOWS, not what you idiotically think.

vincentML -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:02:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I made no claim to "knowing." I referred to the fugitive. He knew he committed a traitorous act. His actions, his flight speaks volumes for his guilt. You deny then unbelievably fucking do it again. You are making a statement concerning what HE KNOWS, not what you idiotically think. The fugitive runs from the Law. You are unbelievably blind to your hero's actions as reported by the Guardian. Hiding in his hotel room, blocking the door bottom with pillows, hiding under his hood BUT laughingly signing into the hotel with his own name. What a douche! HE DOES NOT DENY HIS GUILT. HE ADMITS WHAT HE DID.

vincentML -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:04:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: He knew he committed a traitorous act. Which act was that? giving aid and comfort plus violating his security oath.

vincentML -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:07:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." That is no defense. Agreed. But knowing (to the extent we can) Snowden's intentions can, I think, help us determine whether he was truly adhering to our enemies and giving them aid and comfort. Lee Harvey Oswald was a true believer in his cause. His intentions were just (in his mind) We can say the same for the Oklahoma City bomber and the Unibomber. They were all nutters to their cause. Their cause does not excuse their actions.

Yachtie -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:08:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML HE DOES NOT DENY HIS GUILT. HE ADMITS WHAT HE DID. Quite so, oh weak one. But it's you who says he knows he's a traitor, not him. That is what I am beating you up about. YOU ARE NOT CLAIRVOYANT ! Got it?

vincentML -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:09:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML HE DOES NOT DENY HIS GUILT. HE ADMITS WHAT HE DID. Quite so, oh weak one. But it's you who says he knows he's a traitor, not him. That is what I am beating you up about. YOU ARE NOT CLAIRVOYANT ! Got it? Oh gosh. Really? Well, I'll turn in my psychic license then just to make you happy while you try to deflect from the real issues here. Beating me up? What a freakin joke. [sm=rofl.gif]

Owner59 -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:12:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr It's a weird day when the lefties, here, agree with The Donald. LOL I never thought I'd live to see it. For some it`s about protecting freedom...... for the children.... it`s about hating Obama and not much deeper.... "Republicans defend NSA surveillance but Holder attacks continue" [:D] http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/06/republicans-defend-administrations-policies-but-continue-attacks-on-holder/

dcnovice -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:15:20 PM)
quote: Their cause does not excuse their actions. No, it doesn't, and that's why I said nothing of the sort. But I do think intention may be a factor in determining whether Snowden's actions meet the constitutional criteria for treason.

Owner59 -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:16:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML HE DOES NOT DENY HIS GUILT. HE ADMITS WHAT HE DID. Quite so, oh weak one. But it's you who says he knows he's a traitor, not him. That is what I am beating you up about. YOU ARE NOT CLAIRVOYANT ! Got it? Oh gosh. Really? Well, I'll turn in my psychic license then just to make you happy while you try to deflect from the real issues here. Beating me up? What a freakin joke. [sm=rofl.gif] It`ll take some time and a trial before it`s official..... Like after scooter`s felony conviction...we could officially say that the bush admin. had leaked classified intel to our enemies.....

tazzygirl -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:17:10 PM)
quote: giving aid and comfort To whom? quote: plus violating his security oath. Did he sign one? What does it say?

dcnovice -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:17:33 PM)
quote: giving aid and comfort Honest question: What aid and comfort do you see him giving and to whom? quote: plus violating his security oath. I'm sure that's criminal, but I'm less certain that it rises to treason.

tazzygirl -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:18:39 PM)
Thats what I am thinking too, DC

Yachtie -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:18:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: giving aid and comfort Honest question: What aid and comfort do you see him giving and to whom? If the answer is the American People ...

vincentML -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:20:17 PM)
quote: Did he sign one? What does it say? If he was working for NSA I have to presume he did. We shall have to let the lawyers work that out.

tazzygirl -> RE: NSA leaker comes forward (6/10/2013 4:22:07 PM)
I dont usually disagree with you. But I dont see his actions as traitorous. Not by the federal definition.

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