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you still dont get it

this not difficult

when you hire an attorney to REPRESENT you..... YOU TELL THE ATTORNEY what you want.

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When you have a representative in government to speak on your behalf in a parliamentary court concerning how you are to be governed the ONLY WAY YOU CAN TELL THEM HOW TO VOTE IS BY REFERENDUM AND YOUR VOTE!

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See if you do not tell them, then they are ruling you, and this is not a democracy then is it, and you would suck as a citizen and fail your fellow citizens because instead of being a part of the citizenry you sat on your ass and let some official simply DICTATE for you and us whatever the hell they wanted to push through as law which incidentally is exactly the way its done.

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An attorney cant plead your case (represent you) if they have no clue how you plead, how the hell do you expect some legislator to plead your case without your vote telling them what you want?

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Just a bunch of dictators you probably call leaders.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yes, thank you.

I disagree.

For example, do we need to know the access code for nuclear warheads?

No.

but the military is required to be subordinate to the civilian authority and it is NOT

Do we need to know what is on your tax returns? I doubt you file.. but you get the point.

Private records are not public policy

No.

Do we need to know where every CIA and FBI agent are in the world?

In the world has what to do with americans in america?

No.

Do we need to know the account numbers and bank locations for all the accounts held by every politician?

RESOUNDING YES they are public servants and as public servants should be 100% accessible and accountable to the constituents they serve at all times. before, during, and after

No.

Do we need to know the social security number of the marine who holds Obama's umbrella?

Again you name private affairs that have no affect in the public.

No.

There are lots of things we dont need to know.

This would apply to agency creation and policy to be used for the most part in american governance et al and regarding the inhabitants of america.

lol... not all accounts are public.

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In the world has what to do with americans in america?

They are americans, no? They are employed by us, no? Shouldnt we know where they are every moment of the day? I mean, golly, if I get Boehner's personal checking account number, why shouldnt I have the phone number of Agent 23?

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Again you name private affairs that have no affect in the public.

And yet so are the bank accounts of the politicians.

You are so biased that you cant even see your own hypocrisy.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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you still dont get it

this not difficult

when you hire an attorney to REPRESENT you..... YOU TELL THE ATTORNEY what you want.

And he tells me what he can get.

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When you have a representative in government to speak on your behalf in a parliamentary court concerning how you are to be governed the ONLY WAY YOU CAN TELL THEM HOW TO VOTE IS BY REFERENDUM AND YOUR VOTE!

200 million people for every law to be passed. In NJ alone, to run a special election, 15 million dollars. And this is what yoiu are advocating.

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See if you do not tell them, then they are ruling you, and this is not a democracy then is it, and you would suck as a citizen and fail your fellow citizens because instead of being a part of the citizenry you sat on your ass and let some official simply DICTATE for you and us whatever the hell they wanted to push through as law which incidentally is exactly the way its done.

We do tell them with, supposedly, every election. Some politicians just happen to listen to those who have money more than those who dont.

Dont like the system? Change it.

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An attorney cant plead your case (represent you) if they have no clue how you plead, how the hell do you expect some legislator to plead your case without your vote telling them what you want?

I agree. Which is why we can write or call our legislators and tell them how we feel. Cant you?

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Just a bunch of dictators you probably call leaders.

Better them than you.

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its not my problem that you fail to grasp the finer points between public and private affairs.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
PRISM Program: Obama Administration Held 22 Briefings For Congress On Key FISA Law
Obama administration officials held 22 separate briefings or meetings for members of Congress on the law that has been used to justify the National Security Agency's controversial email monitoring program, according to data provided by a senior administration official.
According to the official, the sessions that took place over the course of 14 months starting in October 2011 touched on Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act, which gives the attorney general and director of national intelligence the authority to gather intelligence on non-U.S. citizens for up to one year. Section 702 has been cited by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper as the legal basis for the NSA's PRISM program, which has allowed the government to track email communication data.
The Guardian and The Washington Post revealed the existence of the PRISM program and another data-monitoring action last week. In defending PRISM from criticism, Clapper stated that U.S. citizens were not, and are not, targeted for the data dragnet. He and others have also insisted that Congress has had ample opportunity to review the program and provide feedback.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/prism-program-obama_n_3416973.html

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yeh if you do not know wtf you are doing he will need to tell you what you can get rather then you tell him what you are oging for,

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thats right, 15 million buckeroos, think of how nicely trimmed our government and legal system will become rather then the clucsterfuck we have now.

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actually I would require a vote so better me than them, at least I would be listening to you!

um... on second thought

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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yeh if you do not know wtf you are doing he will need to tell you what you can get rather then you tell him what you are oging for,

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure darling... anything you say.

I just killed someone, caught with the smoking gun, admitted to the police that I did it to rob him, singed a confession... now Im gonna tell my lawyer I expect a full acquittal and he damn well better get me one.

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thats right, 15 million buckeroos, think of how nicely trimmed our government and legal system will become rather then the clucsterfuck we have now.

Too many laws for you to filter through and try to find ways to get around and hide from? Yeah, I can see why that would upset you.

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actually I would require a vote so better me than them, at least I would be listening to you!

um... on second thought

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You would listen to the one supplying you with the best... ummm...

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
PRISM Program: Obama Administration Held 22 Briefings For Congress On Key FISA Law
Obama administration officials held 22 separate briefings or meetings for members of Congress on the law that has been used to justify the National Security Agency's controversial email monitoring program, according to data provided by a senior administration official.
According to the official, the sessions that took place over the course of 14 months starting in October 2011 touched on Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act, which gives the attorney general and director of national intelligence the authority to gather intelligence on non-U.S. citizens for up to one year. Section 702 has been cited by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper as the legal basis for the NSA's PRISM program, which has allowed the government to track email communication data.
The Guardian and The Washington Post revealed the existence of the PRISM program and another data-monitoring action last week. In defending PRISM from criticism, Clapper stated that U.S. citizens were not, and are not, targeted for the data dragnet. He and others have also insisted that Congress has had ample opportunity to review the program and provide feedback.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/prism-program-obama_n_3416973.html

This isn't what's before us, though. Great argument, but it doesn't apply.

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shit talk is cheap. you already admitted to shirking your duty as a citizen in favor of parliamentary dictators to save a penny or two IN THEORY when I doubt you have any data what so ever to support the notion that a vote up front is cheaper than all the legal battles afterward not to mention the loss of liberty which is priceless.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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shit talk is cheap. you already admitted to shirking your duty as a citizen in favor of parliamentary dictators to save a penny or two IN THEORY when I doubt you have any data what so ever to support the notion that a vote up front is cheaper than all the legal battles afterward not to mention the loss of liberty which is priceless.

I have watched you bitch for years that the government isnt valid.. its not "fair" ...Its not "our" government.

Well, babes, I tend to deal with reality, not your fantasy world of what you believe or dont believe. If you dont like the government, you got two options...change it or move. Otherwise, as much as you bitch, moan and cry, its the government we got.

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Dude.. change the system. You sitting here on a message board bemoaning about what it SHOULD be isnt accomplishing a damn thing.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Dude.. change the system. You sitting here on a message board bemoaning about what it SHOULD be isnt accomplishing a damn thing.

and the people (you?) simply stirring the SAME stank day in and day out and whining about the same ole nazis and commies and why they cant be more bipartisan is doing what exactly?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
PRISM Program: Obama Administration Held 22 Briefings For Congress On Key FISA Law
Obama administration officials held 22 separate briefings or meetings for members of Congress on the law that has been used to justify the National Security Agency's controversial email monitoring program, according to data provided by a senior administration official.
According to the official, the sessions that took place over the course of 14 months starting in October 2011 touched on Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act, which gives the attorney general and director of national intelligence the authority to gather intelligence on non-U.S. citizens for up to one year. Section 702 has been cited by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper as the legal basis for the NSA's PRISM program, which has allowed the government to track email communication data.
The Guardian and The Washington Post revealed the existence of the PRISM program and another data-monitoring action last week. In defending PRISM from criticism, Clapper stated that U.S. citizens were not, and are not, targeted for the data dragnet. He and others have also insisted that Congress has had ample opportunity to review the program and provide feedback.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/prism-program-obama_n_3416973.html

This isn't what's before us, though. Great argument, but it doesn't apply.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

WTF? I could care less about the referendums passed around in colonial times... not like they had a xerox machine or a way to save that kinda shit. And, after almost 200 years, its a moot point anyways. Take your arguments to the WH, go visit Congress... be useful, ffs. I deal with reality... what is now... not what should or may have been 2 centuries ago and why what they are doing now isnt valid because of what may or may not have happened then.

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Now you want to toot that the documents
are too old when we even have copies of
the original magna charta from the year 1200?