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Rather than whine about that, my solution was to move to another country (who, as it turns out, is ALSO spying on it's citizens secretly).

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There are two possibilities, first that the NSA gathers all that data indiscriminately. Even if you used software to look for specific keywords it would still be an insurmountable problem there is just too much activity to deal with. (google reports that in 2011 there were 1.7 trillion searches). Second they target specific people or specific sorts of interactions, ip addresses are location specific so it would be fairly easy to monitor emails, chats etc. between people in the US and abroad. This is both feasible and legal.

I'm quite willing to bet it's not the second one. And, the first, is not legal according, according to what has been posted.
The forced metadata dump against Verizon is certainly not pertaining to non-US citizens.
Thank you for your support, Ken.

How do you know how the metadata is used? All the NSA gets is number called and length of call. What use is that if they're not either monitoring specific numbers, by getting a FISA warrant, or trying to identify potential terrorists by detecting them calling phones in suspect areas. For instance if someone in the US makes a number of calls to several prepaid cells in Yemen might that not be cause to investigate?

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There are two possibilities, first that the NSA gathers all that data indiscriminately. Even if you used software to look for specific keywords it would still be an insurmountable problem there is just too much activity to deal with. (google reports that in 2011 there were 1.7 trillion searches). Second they target specific people or specific sorts of interactions, ip addresses are location specific so it would be fairly easy to monitor emails, chats etc. between people in the US and abroad. This is both feasible and legal.

I'm quite willing to bet it's not the second one. And, the first, is not legal according, according to what has been posted.
The forced metadata dump against Verizon is certainly not pertaining to non-US citizens.
Thank you for your support, Ken.

How do you know how the metadata is used? All the NSA gets is number called and length of call. What use is that if they're not either monitoring specific numbers, by getting a FISA warrant, or trying to identify potential terrorists by detecting them calling phones in suspect areas. For instance if someone in the US makes a number of calls to several prepaid cells in Yemen might that not be cause to investigate?

FISC made it so they get all the info. Now, how is that not collecting info on citizens?

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FISC made it so they get all the info. Now, how is that not collecting info on citizens?

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Lets say, for the sake or argument, that R0 is right (I dont believe he is.. but lets just go with it for a moment).

Whats going to happen?

Do we invalidate over 200 years worth of history?

Its like Obama. If its discovered that he truly was not born in the US, how do you delete the actions of his administration?

Its simply not possible. Why even dig into it at this point? We could throw Obama out of office, but then does Biden become President? After all, he ran on an invalid ticket.

Do we toss out the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights? Close up government, send everyone home for the weekend? Then what?

Even if the Founding Father's perpetuated a hoax.... "what you gonna do bout it?"

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
There are two possibilities, first that the NSA gathers all that data indiscriminately. Even if you used software to look for specific keywords it would still be an insurmountable problem there is just too much activity to deal with. (google reports that in 2011 there were 1.7 trillion searches). Second they target specific people or specific sorts of interactions, ip addresses are location specific so it would be fairly easy to monitor emails, chats etc. between people in the US and abroad. This is both feasible and legal.

I'm quite willing to bet it's not the second one. And, the first, is not legal according, according to what has been posted.
The forced metadata dump against Verizon is certainly not pertaining to non-US citizens.
Thank you for your support, Ken.

How do you know how the metadata is used? All the NSA gets is number called and length of call. What use is that if they're not either monitoring specific numbers, by getting a FISA warrant, or trying to identify potential terrorists by detecting them calling phones in suspect areas. For instance if someone in the US makes a number of calls to several prepaid cells in Yemen might that not be cause to investigate?

FISC made it so they get all the info. Now, how is that not collecting info on citizens?

I think the argument is that they get all the data and then screen it for what they're looking for. Keep in mind that to do more than simply having the metadata on your phone calls they need a warrant, issued by the FISA judges.