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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 1:07:02 AM   
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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 5:21:32 AM   
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The "War on Women" describes the legislative and rhetorical attacks on women and women’s rights taking place across the nation. In includes a wide-range of policy efforts designed to place restrictions on women's health care and erode protections for women and their families. Examples at the state and federal level have included restricting contraception; cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood; state-mandated, medically unnecessary ultrasounds; abortion taxes; abortion waiting periods; forcing women to tell their employers why they want birth control, and prohibiting insurance companies from including abortion coverage in their policies.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/war-women


The war on women is made particular obvious and hypocritical by the general stance that the individual not government knows best (unless that individual is a woman).

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 5:26:40 AM   
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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 5:33:13 AM   
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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 6:11:36 AM   
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http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2013/may/23/anti-abortion-extremists-take-their-fight-national/
In the most bitter fight of the 2012 Georgia General Assembly, right-to-life extremists attempted to outlaw all abortions past the 20-week window, including those traumatic cases in which the developing fetus is discovered to be so seriously malformed -- no skull or brain, inoperative lungs and other fatal defects -- as to have no chance whatsoever of survival outside the womb.
Had the bill passed in its original form, would-be parents informed by their doctors of that tragic situation would have been stripped of their rights to intervene. They would have been forced by the exquisite wisdom of Georgia state legislators to carry that doomed fetus to full term, and then allow it to die an often excruciating death while they and medical personnel looked on helplessly.
And as we've seen, they would also ban the procedure in cases where the fetus has no chance whatsoever of survival, and where carrying it to term ensures only further pain for the fetus and its parents.


That's just nuts, especially since amnio is usually not performed until 15 weeks, so parents are getting results back and facing decisions just as the window snaps shut.

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 6:54:53 AM   
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Especially with incest cases, the fact that a woman may not know she is pregnant, and/or be unable to seek medical help by 20 weeks is a very real problem.

Not all rape cases are by someone who takes and runs. Some rapes occur where the victim may not be able to get help. Take for instance the women held in Ohio.

I am one that has no problems with no abortions after 20 weeks. However, illegal acts should not be allowed to continue to punish a woman for months on end after the fact.


No they shouldn't. Maybe I am just to naive and assume that under special circumstances exceptions would be made.

That is the point of the amendment that Trent Franks opposed. There are no exceptions to a law unless those exceptions are part of the law.

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 7:02:23 AM   
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Granting there is a battle against abortion, what precisely justifies ginning that up into a generalized "war on women"?

K.



Because there are a lot of fools out there who think only republicans are against abortion and only liberals are pro choice. If you can convince others that there truly is a war on women by the right, they are more likely to vote for the left.

It's a lot more than abortion

Opposition to and attempts to outlaw drug based contraception (various "human life" laws)
Opposition to equal pay for women
Opposition to full equality for women
And a general disregard for issues important to women

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 7:04:10 AM   
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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 7:05:38 AM   
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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 8:24:16 AM   
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COLUMBUS, Ohio - A group of Ohio Republican lawmakers has introduced a bill that would require women seeking abortions to wait at least 48 hours and undergo an ultrasound examination.

Those requirements are among an extensive list of abortion restrictions in House Bill 200, introduced by Rep. Ron Hood of Southeast Ohio and backed by 34 of his GOP colleagues.

Among other things, the bill would:

• Require doctors to give women a verbal description of the ultrasound, including an audible heartbeat, if available. (The bill notes, however, that a woman can refuse to view ultrasound images or listen to the sounds detected by a fetal heart monitor.)

• Compel abortion providers to tell patients that fetuses and embryos can feel pain, and that a woman who has an abortion increases her risk of breast cancer.

• Extend the waiting period for abortions to 48 hours instead of 24.

• Require doctors to tell patients seeking abortions in writing how much money they earn and how much income they would lose by not performing abortions.

• Eliminate "medical necessity" as a reason to waive the waiting period. Medical necessity had been defined as a medical condition that complicates the pregnancy so that it warrants an immediate abortion.

• Allow a waiver for a "medical emergency," which is redefined in the bill as a condition that would result in the woman's death without an abortion, as opposed to one that presents a serious risk to her life or physical health.

Doctors who do not follow the rules could be charged with a first-degree felony and fined up to $1 million.

Hood, several cosponsors and the GOP leadership in the House did not respond to requests for comment Wednesday on the bill.

"Ohio politicians continue to violate women," said Celeste Glasgow Ribbins, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of Greater Ohio. "They are violating our trust by introducing one extreme bill after another. They are stripping away our rights at every turn."

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 9:18:33 AM   
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Because there are a lot of fools out there who think only republicans are against abortion and only liberals are pro choice.

I wonder if some of that "foolish" perception might stem from the parties' platforms.


REPUBLICAN PLATFORM, 2012

We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.

Through Obamacare, the current Administration has promoted the notion of abortion as healthcare. We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it.

We call on the government to permanently ban all federal funding and subsidies for abortion and healthcare plans that include abortion coverage.

We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.


DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM, 2012

Protecting A Woman's Right to Choose. The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman's decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs.


Just a thought.



And you honestly believe that everyone on the right believes everything in the right platform and everyone on the left believes everything in the left?



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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 9:22:58 AM   
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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 9:26:28 AM   
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And you honestly believe that everyone on the right believes everything in the right platform and everyone on the left believes everything in the left?

This... although I doubt that is what DCNovice believes. No sane person would believe that. I think it's just confusing. I talk about "Republicans" and "Democrats" also and sometimes I mean individuals and other times I mean parties.

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 9:26:30 AM   
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Especially with incest cases, the fact that a woman may not know she is pregnant, and/or be unable to seek medical help by 20 weeks is a very real problem.

Not all rape cases are by someone who takes and runs. Some rapes occur where the victim may not be able to get help. Take for instance the women held in Ohio.

I am one that has no problems with no abortions after 20 weeks. However, illegal acts should not be allowed to continue to punish a woman for months on end after the fact.


No they shouldn't. Maybe I am just to naive and assume that under special circumstances exceptions would be made.

That is the point of the amendment that Trent Franks opposed. There are no exceptions to a law unless those exceptions are part of the law.


In that case, it is fucked up.

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 9:27:55 AM   
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Granting there is a battle against abortion, what precisely justifies ginning that up into a generalized "war on women"?

K.



Because there are a lot of fools out there who think only republicans are against abortion and only liberals are pro choice. If you can convince others that there truly is a war on women by the right, they are more likely to vote for the left.

It's a lot more than abortion

Opposition to and attempts to outlaw drug based contraception (various "human life" laws)
Opposition to equal pay for women
Opposition to full equality for women
And a general disregard for issues important to women


I realize there are a lot of things that that broad brush is used to paint with, but I was only addressing abortion because that is the topic of the thread.


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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 10:12:18 AM   
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In that case, it is fucked up.


What you need to understand, at least on this issue, is that I dont see party colors. I dont care if its left or right, blue or red....

And I truly wish more women would stop looking at this issue with those blinders on as well. The headlines, and talking heads on both sides, often say one thing, but the reality is in the bills themselves. I dont trust anyone to tell me what something says when it comes to women's issues. Nor do I expect anyone else to believe them either.

Read the bills.

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 10:29:34 AM   
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I often wonder if Republican men are anti-abortion because they know if their mothers had realized how they would turn out they would have aborted them when they had the chance. (I am only half joking here. I really think the viewpoint stems from a kind of insecurity that Republican men have.)

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 10:33:21 AM   
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There is a large-scale and broad effort to attack many of the things that women want.

The things that women want? Seriously? There aren't any women who favor limitations on abortion? Or is it just that they're not "real" women? Or don't they count? I mean c'mon. It's a very divisive issue, and there are women on both sides of it.

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 11:00:18 AM   
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I often wonder if Republican men are anti-abortion because they know if their mothers had realized how they would turn out they would have aborted them when they had the chance. (I am only half joking here. I really think the viewpoint stems from a kind of insecurity that Republican men have.)



Well my democratic minister is anti-abortion because he believes life begins at conception. My republican brother in law is pro choice because he doesn't think it's anyone elses business what a women does with her body. Does that help?

I think it's funny as hell that you went from wondering what someone thinks to calling it the viewpoint like you have any fucking idea what they think and because you wondered it, it became fact.

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RE: This week in the republican war on women - 6/13/2013 11:11:21 AM   
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And you honestly believe that everyone on the right believes everything in the right platform and everyone on the left believes everything in the left?


And you honestly believe that using the dumbest possible strawman in order to defend the boi hating party isn't a sad and pathetic thing to do?

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