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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
Who's banning abortion? Where does it say the government has to fund it, or make it easy for girls and women to obtain?

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Where does it say the government has to fund it, or make it easy for girls and women to obtain?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Another "made up" position.....lol

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Another "made up" position.....lol

We are all familiar with that position.

"Government funds PP"

An estimated 85 percent of couples who are having regular intercourse without birth control will get pregnant within a year. Whereas, the typical use failure rate for birth control pills is 3 percent and the perfect use failure rate is .1 percent. The efficacy rates of major birth control methods have been rigorously tested, so we can make causal claims about how many unplanned pregnancies a particular method prevents, relative to unprotected sex.

About half of all unplanned pregnancies end in abortion in the U.S., no matter how many hurdles the anti-choicers put between women and the constitutional rights.

If you take 100 healthy couples who are having sex, but who aren't planning to get pregnant, and let them go at it for a year without birth control, you can expect about 85 pregnancies, and 42 abortions. If those same couples were using the Pill in the basically conscientious but slightly imperfect way that most people do, you'd expect about 3 unplanned pregnancies and 1.5 abortions. 42 is greater than 1.5. QED.

http://prospect.org/article/mainstreaming-anti-contraception

Birth control reduces abortions.

But the pro-life grounds dont want anyone to focus on that aspect.

What they want to concentrate on is that "innocent lives" are at risk. Lets not look at the lives that are already here. Lets not consider the reduced income another mouth represents. And "heaven" forbid we actually discuss the "drain" on the economy from having more single mothers on welfare.

Oh no, lets just watch as they decide that women can no longer have sex.

Does that mean all the men will be having sex with each other?

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That claim is absolutely ludicrous.
If 800,000 abortions occur each year and 1.4% are after 21 weeks then only 11,200 abortions occur after 21 weeks. Your claim is that roughly 10% of those result in a live birth. Just how incompetent do you doctors are?

BTW Jessen's claims are unsupported by any evidence and there are shall we say extreme doubts about every claim involved. First off a 32 weeks abortion was never legal anywhere in the US. Roe v Wade says abortions can be banned after the fetus is viable outside the womb and there is no doubts that a 32 week fetus is viable.

There is quite a little industry of people who make wild claims about themselves touring churches, especially fundamentalist churches. This includes people who claim to be former satanic high priests and muslim terrorists. She seems to be part of that group.

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That claim is absolutely ludicrous.
If 800,000 abortions occur each year and 1.4% are after 21 weeks then only 11,200 abortions occur after 21 weeks. Your claim is that roughly 10% of those result in a live birth. Just how incompetent do you doctors are?

BTW Jessen's claims are unsupported by any evidence and there are shall we say extreme doubts about every claim involved. First off a 32 weeks abortion was never legal anywhere in the US. Roe v Wade says abortions can be banned after the fetus is viable outside the womb and there is no doubts that a 32 week fetus is viable.

There is quite a little industry of people who make wild claims about themselves touring churches, especially fundamentalist churches. This includes people who claim to be former satanic high priests and muslim terrorists. She seems to be part of that group.

http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

According to WHO, every year in the world an estimated 40-50 million women faced with an unplanned pregnancy decide to have an abortion. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.

In the USA, where nearly half of pregnancies are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion [1] , there are over 3,000 abortions per day. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies in the USA (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion. [2]

Then there is this http://liveactionnews.org/babies-born-alive-after-abortions-part-3-nurses-tell-their-stories/

and this http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/05/1270-babies-born-alive-after-failed-abortions-in-the-united-states/

I shake my head at that that bolded statement of yours. You only have to do a little research to find that many late abortions survive, many don't because they are murdered or neglected after birth (which is fortunately illegal).

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I shake my head at that that bolded statement of yours. You only have to do a little research to find that many late abortions survive, many don't because they are murdered or neglected after birth (which is fortunately illegal).

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Ok Ken, try googling abortion survivors and see what you come up with. It really isn't just a bunch of histrionic women wanting our sympathy because they are having a bad day. Perhaps Gianna was a bad choice, perhaps not.

On the link I gave you their was another link to 'source' http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-0528.2007.01279.x/full
Short communication: Termination of pregnancy for fetal anomaly: a population-based study 1995 to 2004. This is a completely unbiased study.

Lets get one thing straight here. I'm pro abortion because I think every woman has a right to choose about being an incubator or not. I am anti late term abortion except for major fetal abnormalities and I am against Dilation and Extraction, a cruel and inhumane practice on a healthy 2nd trimester foetuses. Pulling a six inch leg and then a six inch arm off the foetus, ripping out its spine or intestines or crushing its skull to kill it is not something I believe we have a right to choose, especially when only days before it was kicking, blowing bubbles, sucking its thumb and being startled by outside noises. If a woman needs an abortion through choice then she needs to get it done in her first trimester.

Its worth noting that most women who have had late term abortions deeply regret what they for the rest of their lives. Whilst women will admit to first trimester abortions and find a shoulder to cry on, very few will admit to late term abortions of a healthy foetus and even if they did, there would be very few shoulders offered. Up until easy access to the internet, abortion clinics lied to pregnant mothers about the procedures and the possibility of live births from induced abortions. They made light about what D&E procedures entailed. I'm glad its out in the open, that we can all plainly see what happens because only now can we make good informed choices.

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How fucking hard is that? WTF is wrong with you people who support taking rights of others but are too lazy to stand up and do some research into the shit you're spewing? A fetus has a right...but the mother doesn't? Why? Without lapsing into some idiotic, repetitive spew about immorality, explain to me WHY? Or stfu and leave people to live their OWN lives THEIR OWN way.

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Lets get one thing straight here. I'm pro abortion because I think every woman has a right to choose about being an incubator or not.

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I am anti late term abortion except for major fetal abnormalities........ If a woman needs an abortion through choice then she needs to get it done in her first trimester.

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Its worth noting that most women who have had late term abortions deeply regret what they for the rest of their lives. Whilst women will admit to first trimester abortions and find a shoulder to cry on, very few will admit to late term abortions of a healthy foetus and even if they did, there would be very few shoulders offered.

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In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%, or approximately 1,032 per year

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I also understand that if you want to reduce abortions then you put the support systems in place to cut down on unwanted pregnancy.