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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Unfortunately, the way it stands now, the affordable care act is a misnomer and it's a huge shit sandwich from which we're all forced to take a bite.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What a shock, there might be weaknesses in a law. Now what would be absolutely astounding is if conservatives would grow up and admit the issue of people not having health coverage is an issue of national importance that effects our nation negatively in a number of ways and offer up some ways to improve the ACA not just more ridiculous repeal hype.

Okay, here's one. How about the ability to opt out?

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
A job pays 20K? Not around here it dont. If you are lucky you might make 12-14k

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What a shock, there might be weaknesses in a law. Now what would be absolutely astounding is if conservatives would grow up and admit the issue of people not having health coverage is an issue of national importance that effects our nation negatively in a number of ways and offer up some ways to improve the ACA not just more ridiculous repeal hype.

Okay, here's one. How about the ability to opt out?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Because everyone would opt what. Whats the point?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

ObummerCare comes to fruition ... and fails

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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“In the fall of the year,” Pelosi said ..., “the outside groups...were saying ‘it’s about abortion,’ which it never was. ‘It’s about ‘death panels,’’ which it never was. ‘It’s about a job-killer,’ which it creates four million. ‘It’s about increasing the deficit’; well, the main reason to pass it was to decrease the deficit.” Her contention was that the Senate “didn’t have a bill.” And until the Senate produced an actual piece of legislation that could be matched up and debated against what was passed by the House, no one truly knew what would be voted on. “They were still trying to woo the Republicans,” Pelosi said of the Senate leadership and the White House, trying to “get that 60th vote that never was coming. That’s why [there was a] reconciliation [vote]” that required only a simple majority.

“So, that’s why I was saying we have to pass a bill so we can see so that we can show you what it is and what it isn’t,” Pelosi continued. “It is none of these things. It’s not going to be any of these things.” She recognized that her comment was “a good statement to take out of context.” But the minority leader added, “But the fact is, until you have a bill, you can’t really, we can’t really debunk what they’re saying....”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/pelosi-defends-her-infamous-health-care-remark/2012/06/20/gJQAqch6qV_blog.html

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Opt out of what? the requirement to have health insurance?

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That would shift the burden back on to the hospitals when the uninsured go into the ER once a health condition got that bad. Which is the major aspect of this plan that is supposed to save the entire nation money and reduce unnecessary deaths.

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My point is that I think a better way to change the healthcare market is to do it through our own pocketbooks and adjusting regulations.

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With all due respect intended, Ken, I'm not convinced that an insurance requirement is the best and only way to help hospitals cover the costs of the uninsured. It's just easier to treat taxpayers like an inexhaustible ATM than actually fix the system.

But let me ask you a question...

What do you think would happen to the cost of healthcare if tomorrow all those people or businesses that don't really need any kind of health coverage canceled their policies?

My point is that I think a better way to change the healthcare market is to do it through our own pocketbooks and adjusting regulations. Not through another government program that's almost guaranteed to cost us way more than we're being told and will probably become so obscure in it's rules that we won't be able to monitor it. And if history is a guide, inevitably be bankrupted just like what's being done with Social Security. I would rather risk my own "unnecessary death" than watch another good intention drive us faster into Hell.

Sometimes I get the impression that the people who support this are more interested in using the government to punish the healthcare industry than actually finding a more appropriate way of bringing the costs down that doesn't involve violating our right to make our own choices.

But that's just my opinion. Take it for what you will.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

OK, I think I'm pretty well documented here as not being supportive of Obama... I'd like to throw his sorry ass in prison for the rest of his life.

That being said, I don't see this the same way you do DaddySatyr. Yeah, those situations portrayed in the article are sure unfortunate. But I need to cut him some slack (as much as I hate doing so) for two reasons:

A) In any set of complex rules there are always going to be ways it doesn't work out right... particularly in the first go-round. So I'm not terribly surprised there's some gotchas in this one and they need to be fixed.

B) The Republicans did everything on the face of the planet to complicate/obfuscate/hinder/screw with this. So given that between our two parties there was no alignment and the thing was a political hockey puck it's not surprising to me that (A) above occurred... whereas it would not have in a move to single-payer.

Unless I miss my guess, many of the folks in that article would've been uninsured anyway so the only real problem is if the government actually starts fining poor people. Now, I wouldn't put such a dumbass move past either party but for now I'll wait to see how it pans out.

Well, here's my issue: this whole thing could have been "fixed" a long time ago. I've been saying it for at least 30 years (so, even when I was a mean-spirited republican that wanted everyone's grandmother eating dog food). The best way to reform healthcare in this country is to remove the words "over 65" from Medicare. Job done. Thanks for comin' out.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What a shock, there might be weaknesses in a law. Now what would be absolutely astounding is if conservatives would grow up and admit the issue of people not having health coverage is an issue of national importance that effects our nation negatively in a number of ways and offer up some ways to improve the ACA not just more ridiculous repeal hype.

Okay, here's one. How about the ability to opt out?

Opt out of what? the requirement to have health insurance? That would shift the burden back on to the hospitals when the uninsured go into the ER once a health condition got that bad. Which is the major aspect of this plan that is supposed to save the entire nation money and reduce unnecessary deaths.

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Even if I still have the right to purchase a private insurance plan and avoid the system, how would you justify that system if it inevitably drives the cost of private insurance so high that someone like me can't exercise the right to purchase his own policy?

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Sometimes I get the impression that the people who support this are more interested in using the government to punish the healthcare industry than actually finding a more appropriate way of bringing the costs down that doesn't involve violating our right to make our own choices.