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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 2:04:49 AM   
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The best way to reform healthcare in this country is to remove the words "over 65" from Medicare. Job done.

I've long thought that too. Not sure how politically feasible it is, though.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 2:53:04 AM   
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The best way to reform healthcare in this country is to remove the words "over 65" from Medicare. Job done.

I've long thought that too. Not sure how politically feasible it is, though.


Until people realize that the insurance industry also administers Medicare, it wont work.

For instance....

CMS is pleased to announce the contract award for the Jurisdiction E A/B MAC (formerly J1 A/B MAC) contract to Noridian Administrative Services. The Jurisdiction E MAC administers Medicare Part A and Part B claims for covered services in California, Hawaii, and Nevada, as well as the U.S. territories of American Samoa, Guam, and the Northern Mariana Islands. The current A/B MAC for this geographic area is Palmetto GBA. CMS is working to establish cutover dates for moving the Jurisdiction 1 workload from Palmetto GBA to Noridian that will occur in late summer.

http://www.sdcms.org/article/jurisdiction-e-ab-medicare-administrative-contract-award-announcement

Noridian Administrative Services – Medicare
The NAS Medicare web site has details about Medicare and how NAS serves health care providers and customers who participate in the program.

https://www.noridian.com/medicare/

That links you to here....

https://www.noridianmedicare.com/

But note at the bottom right of that screen....

Noridian Mutual Insurance Company

Yes, that is the company that is administering the Medicare benefits for that part of the US.

If you go here, you notice another contract was awarded to Novitas Solutions, Inc.

Well, guess who that used to be?

Effective January 1, 2012, Diversified Service Options, Inc. (DSO), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida Inc., acquired Highmark Medicare Services (HMS) from its parent company, Highmark Inc. As a result, HMS changed its name to Novitas Solutions, Inc. (Novitas). Novitas, pronounced Nō-va-tahs with an emphasis on the first syllable, is the Latin word for “newness”, and we will be designing a new logo and brand management system to support the new company identity during the next few months.

http://www.mpaaonline.com/index.php/9-news/newsflash/128-highmark-medicare-services-inc-is-becoming-novitas-solutions-inc

So, when I say insurance companies are even running Medicare, and not the government, believe it. And until they are out of that game, the problems with price fixing will continue.


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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 2:59:47 AM   
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Opt out of what? the requirement to have health insurance?


Yes.

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That would shift the burden back on to the hospitals when the uninsured go into the ER once a health condition got that bad. Which is the major aspect of this plan that is supposed to save the entire nation money and reduce unnecessary deaths.


With all due respect intended, Ken, I'm not convinced that an insurance requirement is the best and only way to help hospitals cover the costs of the uninsured. It's just easier to treat taxpayers like an inexhaustible ATM than actually fix the system.

But let me ask you a question...

What do you think would happen to the cost of healthcare if tomorrow all those people or businesses that don't really need any kind of health coverage canceled their policies?

My point is that I think a better way to change the healthcare market is to do it through our own pocketbooks and adjusting regulations. Not through another government program that's almost guaranteed to cost us way more than we're being told and will probably become so obscure in it's rules that we won't be able to monitor it. And if history is a guide, inevitably be bankrupted just like what's being done with Social Security. I would rather risk my own "unnecessary death" than watch another good intention drive us faster into Hell.

Sometimes I get the impression that the people who support this are more interested in using the government to punish the healthcare industry than actually finding a more appropriate way of bringing the costs down that doesn't involve violating our right to make our own choices.

But that's just my opinion. Take it for what you will.



We tried letting the market fix the issue and it didn't happen that is why the government got involved. Your desire to not be required to have insurance should only be allowed if you are also required to provide payment for what medical you need upfront before you are treated which we long ago decided, during the Reagan administration, was unacceptable.

BTW the ACA is mostly an adjustment of insurance regulations. The government programs will be for the uninsurable and those too poor to buy their own insurance.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 3:23:32 AM   
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What a shock, there might be weaknesses in a law. Now what would be absolutely astounding is if conservatives would grow up and admit the issue of people not having health coverage is an issue of national importance that effects our nation negatively in a number of ways and offer up some ways to improve the ACA not just more ridiculous repeal hype.



and what would be even more shocking is if the whole lot of them would fucking resign for fucking up the economy over the last 50 years so people can no longer afford to buy a fucking bandaid

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 5:51:56 AM   
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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 6:40:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is an easy solution to the problems caused by this law, and every other freaking law passed in the last 16 years. Granted it is a bit extreme, but it will work.

1) First we get all the medical records for every elected official in Washington, including the president.

2) Then we have darts with precisely measured tranquilizers so we can put every elected official in Washington out of bit.

3) We implant a transceiver in every one of these peoples' mastoid, the bone behind the ear.

4) Once they wake up, we introduce a hypnotic drug into the water systems serving every congressional building and the white house.

5) After waiting long enough for the members of the house and senate, as well as Obama are sufficiently drugged so that they are open to hypnotic suggestion,
we pick two sensible individuals from collarme that represent the moderate Republicans and Democrats, as well as a joint covert committee of collarme P&R posters to come up with sensible plans that are agreed on by both sides to transmit to our drugged members of the government.

This should work, I mean it works in the various movies involving the control of the government...

The only other option is to overthrow the government, put Tazzy, Domken, DaddySatyr and VAA, and the other Collarme Forum admins in charge of the government to get the shit straightened out.

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RE: Another I hate Obama thread...Yawn - 6/14/2013 6:58:57 AM   
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Having received care, or participated in its delivery in a couple of different countries, I do believe that we provide among the best health care delivered in the world. However, I also hate that it is a for profit/capitalist system. Providing the best healthcare, without age discrimination, in a way that produces profits, leaves millions dying prematurely; mainly the poor. How can that be permitted in the wealthiest country in the world? We are watching for human rights abuse all over the world, and failing miserably at home.

I don't have clear answers, but I do pause when I see us providing top level care for 90+ year old grandma taking precedence over the 4yo not going to the doctor, because mom/dad cannot afford to buy insurance.
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P.S. I HATED the healthcare bill that passed, instead of one with a single payer (A-la Medicare, minus the age).

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 7:28:38 AM   
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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 7:31:21 AM   
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That needs to be rectified


apologies for the derail of this uber serious conversation

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 7:35:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Considering the lunacy going on in Congress and the white house, I dont see how we can just blame Obama.

As for Obamacare, may I point out that Obama never actually gave a list of what he wanted, he just told congress he wanted health care reform and let them figure out the details. Now granted, a sane man would never have signed the bill that was presented to him.

Now you have to admit, he did keep one of his campaign promises, he did promise to give us health care reform....

He never promised that he and congress would get it right.

Lets face facts, health care in the US has been screwed up for a long time, and both sides have agreed to that point. The problem is that no one on either side will actually sit down and talk like sensible adults to come up with a workable solution.

The same is true for the budget, and everything else that has come off the hill in the last 30 years.

If Congress and the president would have been in charge of designing a horse, they would have come up with a camel.... from your worst nightmares.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 7:38:47 AM   
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you are surprised?

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 7:42:42 AM   
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What a shock, there might be weaknesses in a law. Now what would be absolutely astounding is if conservatives would grow up and admit the issue of people not having health coverage is an issue of national importance that effects our nation negatively in a number of ways and offer up some ways to improve the ACA not just more ridiculous repeal hype.

"weaknesses"? "You can't be serious!" -- Johnny Mac. What is truly absolutely astounding is that even some Congressional Democrats are now saying they and their staffs won't be able to afford the healthcare plan they'll be forced to purchase under Obama's "Affordable Care Act" and, therefore, they are seriously considering resigning/quitting and finding employment in the private sector which pays enough for them to be able to afford to purchase a healthcare plan. Grow up and admit that the ACA was rammed down our throats by a Democratic POTUS and Congress who never read it and, therefore, couldn't have known what effect (positive or negative) it would have -- it was all and only about Obama's legacy ideology that more government (control over the people) is better government.

While promoting the ACA Obama emphatically and repeatedly promised (amongst other things): a) everyone will be able to keep their current healthcare plan; b) everyone will be able to keep their current doctor; c) the average cost of a healthcare plan will decrease by $2,500. Obama either didn't read the ACA, couldn't comprehend/understand it, or didn't care what it said because every one of those promises has actually become the exact opposite.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 7:47:41 AM   
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ObummerCare comes to fruition ... and fails



ObamaCare Costs May Compel U.S. Lawmakers and Aides to Resign

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 7:57:26 AM   
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Sometimes I get the impression that the people who support this are more interested in using the government to punish the healthcare industry than actually finding a more appropriate way of bringing the costs down that doesn't involve violating our right to make our own choices.

Not necessarily. Some of us have moved from the states to a single-payer country and see how massively, incredibly, better that system is and think the US should go there. I don't want to punish anyone. I do, however, want to provide health care for everyone and I want that health care provided at a reasonable cost. Single-payer does that... or can do that anyway. I saw (and see) the ACA as a baby step in that direction. Is it flawed beyond belief? Yes. If it stops where it is then I see it as a lateral with no real improvement. But if it becomes the first step in a path towards an effective single-payer system then I'll have to take my hat off to Obama for that.

One nice thing about single payer is that it would be understandable and it's be easy to ask questions like, "Why is the US paying $30/pill for Zizbutol (made up name) and every other country in the world is paying $2/pill?" I was actually sort of astonished at how simple health insurance was in Canada (at least the baseline "socialist" insurance). Predictably, the supplemental insurance provided by insurance companies is loaded with legalese and weasel words and is very hard to understand. The single-payer portion is dead simple. Honestly, for the US, it's that simplicity that I think is most valuable because it'll allow us to get at the underlying issue of profits.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 8:19:55 AM   
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ObummerCare comes to fruition ... and fails



ObamaCare Costs May Compel U.S. Lawmakers and Aides to Resign



Great!!!! Less money to fork out for worthless teabaggers!!!

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 8:26:00 AM   
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"We have to sign the bill so we can find out what is in the bill." Nancy Pelosi..



I'm not the brightest person, but is this quote for real? Lol


Yes, because the House had one bill, the Senate another, and they had to sign both bills before they went in for reconciliation.

The House and the Senate took both bills into committee and came out with an agreed upon bill. Thats the part they dont want you to remember.


During the 2008 campaign, Obama repeatedly promised that all the negotiations about the ACA would be televised on CSPAN, so that all Americans could see exactly what was being said and done.

"You know I respect what the Clintons tried to do in 1993 in moving health reform forward. But they made one really big mistake, and that is they took all their people and all their experts into a room and then they closed the door. We will work on this process publicly. It'll be on C-SPAN. It will be streaming over the net."
- November 2008, Google Q & A

"Not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are. 'Cause part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process."
- January 2008, CNN Debate

"But these negotiations will be on C-SPAN. And so the public will be part of the conversation, and will see the choices being made."
- January 2008, San Francisco Chronicle

"We will have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN so people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies."
- August 2008, Virginia Town Hall

"And we will have a public process for forming this plan. It'll be televised on C-SPAN. I can't guarantee it'll be exciting so not everybody's gonna be watching. But it will be transparent and accountable to the American people."
- November 2007, Keene Sentinel


Of course, in February 2010 when Senator John McCain pointed out to Obama that the ACA proceedings had not been televised, Obama said, disparagingly: “We're not campaigning anymore, the election's over.”


That's the part that you, House and Senate Democrats, and Obama don't want anyone to remember.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 8:29:42 AM   
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ObummerCare comes to fruition ... and fails



ObamaCare Costs May Compel U.S. Lawmakers and Aides to Resign



Great!!!! Less money to fork out for worthless teabaggers!!!

Great indeed. More Communist Democrats are saying that than Tea Partiers!!!

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 8:32:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Uh, insofar as reality goes, it was debated on C-SPAN, and the meetings he took with the teabaggers whining and gnashing their teeth and laying down there ears was televised as well. It just didnt make Faux Nuze too much.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 8:33:44 AM   
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ObummerCare comes to fruition ... and fails



ObamaCare Costs May Compel U.S. Lawmakers and Aides to Resign



Great!!!! Less money to fork out for worthless teabaggers!!!

Great indeed. More Communist Democrats are saying that than Tea Partiers!!!



Yeah, but the world doesn't need any more Nazi teabaggers. So it is gonna work out in the end.

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RE: Another Blunder From the Failure-In-Chief - 6/14/2013 9:14:39 AM   
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What a shock, there might be weaknesses in a law. Now what would be absolutely astounding is if conservatives would grow up and admit the issue of people not having health coverage is an issue of national importance that effects our nation negatively in a number of ways and offer up some ways to improve the ACA not just more ridiculous repeal hype.

"weaknesses"? "You can't be serious!" -- Johnny Mac. What is truly absolutely astounding is that even some Congressional Democrats are now saying they and their staffs won't be able to afford the healthcare plan they'll be forced to purchase under Obama's "Affordable Care Act" and, therefore, they are seriously considering resigning/quitting and finding employment in the private sector which pays enough for them to be able to afford to purchase a healthcare plan. Grow up and admit that the ACA was rammed down our throats by a Democratic POTUS and Congress who never read it and, therefore, couldn't have known what effect (positive or negative) it would have -- it was all and only about Obama's legacy ideology that more government (control over the people) is better government.

While promoting the ACA Obama emphatically and repeatedly promised (amongst other things): a) everyone will be able to keep their current healthcare plan; b) everyone will be able to keep their current doctor; c) the average cost of a healthcare plan will decrease by $2,500. Obama either didn't read the ACA, couldn't comprehend/understand it, or didn't care what it said because every one of those promises has actually become the exact opposite.

Congresspeople are covered by a very generous plan for free. their staff are covered by the government insyrance plan which has very low premiums and provides excellent benefits.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/29/wsj-pushes-myth-that-congress-is-trying-to-exem/193816
The above article is likely dealing with the fiction you got from the WSJ via who knows how many different elements of the right wing echo chamber.

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