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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 4:52:10 PM   
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If over 11 million illegals was good for the 17 trillion $ deficit- dont you think the govt would bally hoo- just how good it all is for us?


Most of those 11 million are on welfare. They are on programs. I think programs ought to only be for Americans. In fact- if you cut off the programs for illegals- I would be willing to let more in.


So you are saying that the 11 million illegals are responsible for the 17 trillion in our national debt?

And speaking of Americans only being eligible, does this mean their American born children are or are not eligible by your standards?




1 the private banks are responsible for the national debt
2 if they were an asset- the govt would gloat about that talking point
3. I am 1000% against anchor babies- this is fraud and needs to be stopped yesterday

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 4:54:54 PM   
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Hill- his argument presumes that these illegal voters- pay any tax. The only tax they pay is when it is forced- they do not pay taxes the type that are voluntary. So you can not have that argument with him due to the false asssumption that illegals pay tax.

It is the employers obligation to keep the books and deduct the appropriate taxes not the worker. How is the employer not remiting the taxes to the govt the employee's fault. He worked and had the taxes deducted,the employer did not send the money to the tax collector.
Then of course how does one get out of property tax or sales tax or excise tax?



There have in fact been alot of busts in the past 2 years. The organization called presente is complaining about it. The illegals are down on the Obama administration for enforcing existing laws. I do not agree that the illegals are paying their fair share- not at all.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 4:56:03 PM   
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1 the private banks are responsible for the national debt
2 if they were an asset- the govt would gloat about that talking point
3. I am 1000% against anchor babies- this is fraud and needs to be stopped yesterday


Its our law. Surely you arent saying, after all this talk of "illegal" this and that, that our laws should be ignored. Children, except for those of diplomats, born on US soil have always been US citizens.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 4:57:46 PM   
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The math is good but the premis is flawed.
The e/c is chosen by the state legislatures which the illegals had no voice in electing.

You claim the premise is flawed, show it.

Cali has more electoral votes because of the multitude of noncitizens. yes or no

Those votes have for several election cycles voted unerringly for the democratic candidate. yes or no

If the EC was based only on citizens, Cali would have about 11 fewer EV.

Ergo. Those 11 EV represent noncitizens who 'vote' for the Democratic candidate.

Those on the Right are the ones who fight hardest to keep the EC.

Ergo, they are cutting their own throats because they're fucking idiots.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 4:59:23 PM   
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3. I am 1000% against anchor babies- this is fraud and needs to be stopped yesterday

Do you support Rubio?

He's an anchor baby

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:01:37 PM   
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3. I am 1000% against anchor babies- this is fraud and needs to be stopped yesterday

Do you support Rubio?

He's an anchor baby



I do not know anything about Rubio. I do tho like Justin Amash.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		These people are hard-working, law-abiding (for the most part, obviously) people who happened to become criminals (invaders?) as soon as they crossed our borders illegally.

A dictionary could educate one as to the meaning of the word criminal and invader.

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I'll ask again: why should they benefit from their crime? If they're allowed to benefit from their crime, why shouldn't Charles Manson or OJ or ...?


The law concerning those who cross the border illegally and those who hire them has been pointed out on many occasions.
Why the desire to prosecute misdomeanors and refuse to prosecute felonies?


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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:09:23 PM   
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They are backed by laraza, and Azlam. The goal is to return 4 US states to Mexico.


Is that a bad thing?





You pose a good question. One the one hand- I support local control- a locale has the right to self determination. On the other hand- it would not be a good thing to lose portions of 4 states. In addition- those states require the permission of all 50 states AND any other party in the contract.

Whatif they chose to do that the same way they became part of the u.s.?

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:11:51 PM   
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They are backed by laraza, and Azlam. The goal is to return 4 US states to Mexico.


Is that a bad thing?





You pose a good question. One the one hand- I support local control- a locale has the right to self determination. On the other hand- it would not be a good thing to lose portions of 4 states. In addition- those states require the permission of all 50 states AND any other party in the contract.

Whatif they chose to do that the same way they became part of the u.s.?



I doubt they will attempt that- as many are racist- or in this case reverse racism. Any vote would be gimme vote- aimed at obama phones, and food stamps. Puerto Rico no longer wants to be a state- they get more benes by being a possession- so why should they have to pay the IRS?

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:15:01 PM   
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The math is good but the premis is flawed.
The e/c is chosen by the state legislatures which the illegals had no voice in electing.

You claim the premise is flawed, show it.

The ec is chosen by the state legislatures which the illegals had no voice in electing.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:15:48 PM   
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Why the desire to prosecute misdomeanors and refuse to prosecute felonies?



That's fucking simple. The felons are all heavy campaign contributors.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:18:52 PM   
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I am 1000% against anchor babies- this is fraud and needs to be stopped yesterday


What is it about anchor babies that you oppose?

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:19:40 PM   
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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:20:35 PM   
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The math is good but the premis is flawed.
The e/c is chosen by the state legislatures which the illegals had no voice in electing.

You claim the premise is flawed, show it.

The ec is chosen by the state legislatures which the illegals had no voice in electing.


You missed in post 53 where I said "in essence gives them a vote". By the logic you just showed, none of us have a vote. Only the state legislators count.

My point was that Cali has so many illegals and noncitizens that they have 11 or so more electoral votes than they would if only citizens were counted and those 11 votes unerringly go for the democratic candidate the last couple of decades.

Anyone who was on "Are you smarter than a 5th grader" could get that one without even using one of their cheats.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:20:48 PM   
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Why the desire to prosecute misdomeanors and refuse to prosecute felonies?



That's fucking simple. The felons are all heavy campaign contributors.


That sounds suspiciously like socialist rhetoric.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:21:49 PM   
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Why the desire to prosecute misdomeanors and refuse to prosecute felonies?



That's fucking simple. The felons are all heavy campaign contributors.


That sounds suspiciously like socialist rhetoric.

Blame FOX news. It was their idea

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/18/2013 5:58:53 PM   
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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/19/2013 8:10:39 AM   
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If over 11 million illegals was good for the 17 trillion $ deficit- dont you think the govt would bally hoo- just how good it all is for us?


Most of those 11 million are on welfare. They are on programs. I think programs ought to only be for Americans. In fact- if you cut off the programs for illegals- I would be willing to let more in.


Complete bullshit. Don't peddle unsubstantiated lies in this forum.

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