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Lucylastic -> Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 12:25:08 PM)
The US Supreme Court has ruled that states cannot force residents to show proof of US citizenship when they register to vote. In a 7-2 decision, the justices said that the 2004 Arizona law was trumped by a federal law. The Supreme Court said it was enough to ask prospective voters to tick a box on forms stating they are US citizens, without demanding documentary proof. It is Arizona's latest immigration-related law to reach the top court. The state is in frequent legal clashes with the federal government over the issue. Four states have similar laws and 12 more have been considering such measures. In the majority ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that a 1993 national law designed to make it easier to register to vote took precedence over Arizona's requirement. The 1993 law requires states to offer voter registration when a resident applies for a driver's licence or certain benefits. On the federal form, applicants are asked to state under oath that they are US citizens, on penalty of perjury. But Arizona argued such assurances were not enough in their state, which borders Mexico. The state's 2004 law added a requirement that applicants provide a US birth certificate, passport or other proof of citizenship. Justice Scalia said the federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself". Immigrant rights groups, who said the law put an undue burden on naturalised citizens, hailed the decision. Two of the court's more conservative members, Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, dissented. The US Constitution "authorises states to determine the qualifications of voters in federal elections", Justice Thomas wrote in his dissent. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22941984

tazzygirl -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 12:33:30 PM)
The PA voter ID law goes to Commonwealth Court next month. Its a slightly different issue than Arizona's, but the ACLU is hopeful.

kdsub -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 12:39:14 PM)
Lucy what do you think? Myself I just don't see a problem with producing proof of citizenship when you register for the first time to vote. In Missouri when I renew my drivers license I must produce a birth certificate and a proof of residence. No one seems to have a hard time producing these. I really do not care but just do not see what the big deal is about requiring proof of citizenship. Butch

tazzygirl -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 12:44:50 PM)
In the majority ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that a 1993 federal law designed to make it easier to register to vote took precedence over Arizona's requirement. The 1993 law requires states to offer voter registration when a resident applies for a driver's licence or certain benefits. On the federal form, applicants are asked to state under oath that they are US citizens, on penalty of perjury.

DomKen -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 1:59:24 PM)
FR I think in general this ruling will have very little effect. Motor Voter says you can register to vote when you apply for or renew a DL or certain benefits. Those other processes all require you establish identity so it should be possible to establish that someone wasn't a US citizen when they registered. The more important issue is requiring ID to vote and that will hit the Court in a year or two.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:03:35 PM)
Well, I think primarily, we are talking about people who aren't citizens and therefore, aren't paying taxes, either. I think there's some merit to allowing people who actually participate in funding the government to vote and to preventing people who don't fund the government from voting. It's easy for a non-citizen to vote for (made up) Proposition 2013-01 that says that all non-citizen college students should get their tuitions paid. It's kind of like gambling with house money. There's no real loss to the gambler. I think this is a case of keeping people with nothing at stake from making policy in this country and I support the ruling, whole-heartedly. Peace and comfort, Michael

MrRodgers -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:10:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The US Supreme Court has ruled that states cannot force residents to show proof of US citizenship when they register to vote. In a 7-2 decision, the justices said that the 2004 Arizona law was trumped by a federal law. The Supreme Court said it was enough to ask prospective voters to tick a box on forms stating they are US citizens, without demanding documentary proof. It is Arizona's latest immigration-related law to reach the top court. The state is in frequent legal clashes with the federal government over the issue. Four states have similar laws and 12 more have been considering such measures. In the majority ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that a 1993 national law designed to make it easier to register to vote took precedence over Arizona's requirement. The 1993 law requires states to offer voter registration when a resident applies for a driver's licence or certain benefits. On the federal form, applicants are asked to state under oath that they are US citizens, on penalty of perjury. But Arizona argued such assurances were not enough in their state, which borders Mexico. The state's 2004 law added a requirement that applicants provide a US birth certificate, passport or other proof of citizenship. Justice Scalia said the federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself". Immigrant rights groups, who said the law put an undue burden on naturalised citizens, hailed the decision. Two of the court's more conservative members, Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, dissented. The US Constitution "authorises states to determine the qualifications of voters in federal elections", Justice Thomas wrote in his dissent. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22941984 Thomas is right as long as it doesn't conflict with federal law and the constitution. If not...states could deny all manor of people the right to vote.

pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:18:29 PM)
I do not think the fed should impose control over any of our states. This is awful. I also think that only home owners should be allowed to vote. Since renters vote- they pretty much vote themself free medicaid, free food stamps, free heat, free bus passes and even free phones. This cost has to come from someones pocket. Moreover- these people are lazy and do not want to work- often they are working under the table and double dipping- particularly in the south west. Now if you removed all programs- from the formula- I would be ok with illegals. They have too many kids and are a strain on resources that should go to our own folks, and our own families. Voting one free stuff like cell phones- I mean someone has to pay for it- and bring 11 million of your friends- is making that cost a high one. While they have a right to exist- they do not have the right to make me pay for their leaching lifestyle. This is what the cat food commission is cutting social security.

DomKen -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:21:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Well, I think primarily, we are talking about people who aren't citizens and therefore, aren't paying taxes, either. I think there's some merit to allowing people who actually participate in funding the government to vote and to preventing people who don't fund the government from voting. People who are not citizens pay taxes. Studies have shown that undocumented immigrants actually pay a lot more in taxes, as percentage of income, than the average American because they can't file tax returns and cannot access most government services.

Lucylastic -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:35:39 PM)
Im wondering when we dropped into the twilight zone again non citizens dont pay taxes, , renters vote themselves free medicaid, free food stamps, free heat, free bus passes and even free phones. WOW the level of stupid shit just gets deeper

pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:38:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Im wondering when we dropped into the twilight zone again non citizens dont pay taxes, , renters vote themselves free medicaid, free food stamps, free heat, free bus passes and even free phones. WOW the level of stupid shit just gets deeper Arent we supposed to cut the budget? 11 million obama phones coming will cut the budget how?

Lucylastic -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:50:41 PM)
I guess you didnt know about this then did you? http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.R.176: Its a shame you know nothing of researching into claims made by your bosom buddy, you just puke them out on a cut and paste job, you good lil soldier you 1776

RacerJim -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 2:55:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The US Supreme Court has ruled that states cannot force residents to show proof of US citizenship when they register to vote. In a 7-2 decision, the justices said that the 2004 Arizona law was trumped by a federal law. The Supreme Court said it was enough to ask prospective voters to tick a box on forms stating they are US citizens, without demanding documentary proof. It is Arizona's latest immigration-related law to reach the top court. The state is in frequent legal clashes with the federal government over the issue. Four states have similar laws and 12 more have been considering such measures. In the majority ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that a 1993 national law designed to make it easier to register to vote took precedence over Arizona's requirement. The 1993 law requires states to offer voter registration when a resident applies for a driver's licence or certain benefits. On the federal form, applicants are asked to state under oath that they are US citizens, on penalty of perjury. But Arizona argued such assurances were not enough in their state, which borders Mexico. The state's 2004 law added a requirement that applicants provide a US birth certificate, passport or other proof of citizenship. Justice Scalia said the federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself". Immigrant rights groups, who said the law put an undue burden on naturalised citizens, hailed the decision. Two of the court's more conservative members, Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, dissented. The US Constitution "authorises states to determine the qualifications of voters in federal elections", Justice Thomas wrote in his dissent. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22941984 Syllabus, Held, b): "Nonetheless, while the NVRA forbids States to demand that an applicant submit additional information beyond that required by the Federal Form, it does not preclude States from “deny[ing] registration based on information in their possession establishing the applicant’s ineligibility.” Pp. 6–13." Supreme Court website Therefore, if States have no information in their possession establishing the applicant's citizenship States can deny registration.

pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 3:00:41 PM)
That is good news Jim. I dont think they should cut in front of the line when others are following the rules. It means there are no rewards for proper method of emigrating. I also thin we should be pickier and recruit more scientists and engineers- and cut of tomato pickers.... we have enough of them and they are quite fertile. Why should 11 million cut in front of the line? I want us to have more scientists and engineers. Not more 3rd world influence.

Politesub53 -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 3:51:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Syllabus, Held, b): "Nonetheless, while the NVRA forbids States to demand that an applicant submit additional information beyond that required by the Federal Form, it does not preclude States from “deny[ing] registration based on information in their possession establishing the applicant’s ineligibility.” Pp. 6–13." Supreme Court website Therefore, if States have no information in their possession establishing the applicant's citizenship States can deny registration. Chalk and cheese not your strongpoints then ?

Politesub53 -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 3:54:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I want us to have more scientists and engineers. Not more 3rd world influence. FFS pahunk, do you really believe the shit you spout. Do you not undertand anything about the history of science and engineering.

kdsub -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 5:44:35 PM)
tazzygirl I am not arguing there is no law... I am just commenting that personally I cannot see anything wrong with asking for proof of citizenship and was wondering if Lucy did...not that it makes a difference...just wondering. Butch

tazzygirl -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 5:52:49 PM)
Define "proof of citizenship"? A DL and a SS number are proof?

Lucylastic -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 5:58:43 PM)
I have to prove citizenship to vote

pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme Court (6/17/2013 6:01:31 PM)
I wonder how the effects- real ID. It certainly is something to ponder.

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