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Lucylastic -> 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 8:02:54 AM)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/20-week-abortion-ban_n_3462180.html

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill on Tuesday 228 to 196 that prohibits women from having abortions 20 weeks after conception.

The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, authored by Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), bans abortions after 20 weeks, based on the medically disputed theory that fetuses can feel pain at that point. It contains exceptions for women whose lives are in danger as well as some rape and incest victims who can prove that they reported their assaults to criminal authorities, but it contains no exceptions for severe fetal anomalies or situations in which the woman's health is threatened by her pregnancy.

Opponents of the bill, including the White House, took issue with its narrow exceptions and argued that it interferes with a woman's constitutionally protected right to have an abortion. The bill directly challenges the 1973 Supreme Court decision in Roe vs. Wade, which protects the right to end a pregnancy up until the fetus is viable outside the womb -- usually around 24 weeks.

"Forty years ago, the Supreme Court affirmed that women in America have the constitutional right to make their own health care decisions without the government getting involved," Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) told reporters on Tuesday. "Today, instead of focusing on creating jobs and improving our economy, the House majority is once again playing doctor and trying to tell American women what they can and can't do, despite what the Constitution tells them they can do. House Republicans need to abandon their war on women and start working on the issues Americans care about."

Republicans argued that the bill was necessary in light of the case of Kermit Gosnell, a Philadelphia abortion provider who was recently convicted of murder for providing illegal late-term abortions and cutting the spines of newborns that were born alive in his clinic.

"Listen, after this Kermit Gosnell trial and some of the horrific acts that were going on, the vast majority of the American people believe in the substance of this bill, and so do I," House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said, adding that he believes the bill has the support of a "broad bipartisan majority" in Congress.

But the bill has caused several problems for the Republican Party at a time when it desperately needs to reach out to women voters. The GOP lawmakers who advanced the bill out of the Judiciary Committee and unanimously rejected exceptions for rape, incest and health of the mother were all men. And during the debate over the rape exception, Franks said "the incidence of rape resulting in pregnancy [is] very low," resurrecting an incorrect claim made by former Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.).

To mitigate the controversy, Republican leadership quickly appointed Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) to manage the bill on the floor and added narrow rape and incest exceptions into the bill. But the tactics did not appease the bill's opponents.

"If the woman's life is threatened, okay, she can have the abortion. But if her health is threatened, if the doctors conclude that she will become terribly injured in some way, it doesn't matter," Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) told reporters on Tuesday. "She can't have the abortion, because the morally arrogant people in this building decided that their outlooks are more important than her health and her safety."

While the bill has forced members of the House to record a vote on abortion, it has very little chance of becoming law. The Senate, which is controlled by Democrats, is unlikely to take up the bill, and the White House said President Barack Obama would veto it if it reached his desk.

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That they quietly removed Franks from the importance of the bill and put in a republican woman, and changed the exceptions for rape and incest, I find to be more annoying than being placated
If Obama has to veto this bill, there will be more cries for impeachment..
Lets hope the senate votes it down. But that still wont stop them doing it via state bills, even tho they are mostly gonna be denied in higher courts, wheres the money>?>>>>
now where are the bills for putting people back to work and stuff they promised????





tazzygirl -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 8:15:31 AM)

I dont understand why their own party isnt more outraged by the waste of money these bills are causing.




Lucylastic -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 8:29:36 AM)

oh this one too:)
LOL
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/vp/52235822#52247473




Real0ne -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:00:00 AM)

ah yes democracy at its finest!

think of it like this;

you went to them whining to interfere with the rights to own and bear arms (guns) and whining for them to give you free health care for your pussy, (making them a 3rd party interest), so your pussy and what goes on in there is fair game to interfere with as well! LMAO

Think of them like the supreme Domme or Master, they say...you obey! Every Domme out here has it on their profile..... You only need to agree to slavery one time after which point you no longer need to make decisions, they will be made for you.

see thats how democracy works. you fuck someone they get to fuck you back! Oh yeh and dont forget to pay your taxes, they need jobs too! LMAO





mnottertail -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:06:18 AM)

Ja, more timewasting in the House, I doubt the Senate will take it up. Foolishness at its finest.




tazzygirl -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:17:37 AM)

Vulgarity at its finest.

quote:

you went to them whining to interfere with the rights to own and bear arms (guns) and whining for them to give you free health care for your pussy, (making them a 3rd party interest), so your pussy and what goes on in there is fair game to interfere with as well! LMAO


What "free health care" for our "pussy"

Do either Lucy or myself seem worried that this mess will pass the Senate? lol But we are part of an insidious movement.... spreading the word about the stupidity of such measures, and the money wasted on these bills and in court fees.

But, hey, if you dont mind your state always being broke, and some jerk off group of politicians putting the state's cock into your ass, reaming you out and not even spitting first to give you a little bit of lube ....

You go with your bad self! [;)]




DaddySatyr -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:19:48 AM)

Wow. People claim that a fetus can't feel pain during an abortion then, when it's damned-near proven with new evidence, the science worshippers insist that that isn't good enough and are hell-bent on murdering the unborn (pain or no pain), anyway.

Wonderful people these are ... NOT.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




tazzygirl -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:21:08 AM)

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when it's damned-near proven with new evidence


Damned near? Wow, new scientific term meaning "absolutely" or "Without a doubt"?

Its not been proven. [8|]




mnottertail -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:24:34 AM)

There is a vast chasm of damn near proven by imbeciles in the house because these same shiteaters were damn near proving us into bankruptcy in the same guise of asswipe.

Do people who die of starvation feel pain? Wonderful people the nazi cretins down there with the Rs and Is behind their name are.....NOT




mnottertail -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:29:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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when it's damned-near proven with new evidence


Damned near? Wow, new scientific term meaning "absolutely" or "Without a doubt"?

Its not been proven. [8|]



not even damned near proven.




pahunkboy -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:35:53 AM)

I am against govt intrusions- but since "we" as a group want the govt telling us what to do- via rules and regs- I view this bill as a good one.




Hillwilliam -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:37:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Wow. People claim that a fetus can't feel pain during an abortion then, when it's damned-near proven with new evidence, the science worshippers insist that that isn't good enough and are hell-bent on murdering the unborn (pain or no pain), anyway.

Wonderful people these are ... NOT.



Peace and comfort,



Michael


You say "Damn near proven" which could only be done scientifically and then you denigrate "science worshippers" in the same sentence.

Can you see the hypocrisy?




Maybeher -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:41:04 AM)

I rather the fetus be gone than be raised by parents that hate each other




OrionTheWolf -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:42:44 AM)

Science has only proven that there is a reaction from stimuli. There is no proof that it is actually processed as anything more than stimuli. When it gets to that stage then I may have a different opinion on whether 20 weeks should be the cut off for elective abortions or not.


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Wow. People claim that a fetus can't feel pain during an abortion then, when it's damned-near proven with new evidence, the science worshippers insist that that isn't good enough and are hell-bent on murdering the unborn (pain or no pain), anyway.

Wonderful people these are ... NOT.



Peace and comfort,



Michael






pahunkboy -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:43:10 AM)

I think post 4 is referring to a birth control pills paid for by the government.




MariaB -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:44:31 AM)

"If the woman's life is threatened, okay, she can have the abortion. But if her health is threatened, if the doctors conclude that she will become terribly injured in some way, it doesn't matter," Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) told reporters on Tuesday. "She can't have the abortion, because the morally arrogant people in this building decided that their outlooks are more important than her health and her safety."

Most late abortions take 3 to 4 days to complete, that in itself is not an option when a woman's life is in danger. Neither is it an option for a woman suffering from things such as pre-eclampsia. Women in grave danger will normally be offered a caesarian and most women would opt for a caesarian because the baby is wanted live. C-section is safer for both mother and baby in such situations.




DaddySatyr -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:52:29 AM)

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Employment History


Pediatrician

University of Arkansas


Director of the Pain Neurobiology Laboratory

Arkansas Children's Hospital Research Institute


Director of the Pain Neurology Laboratory

Arkansas Children's Hospital Research Institute


Le Bonheur Director of Critical Care, Director of Division of Pediatric Critical Care

University of Tennessee Health Science Center


Professor of Pediatrics , Anesthesiology , Anatomy and Neurobiology

University of Tennessee Health Science Center


Professor

UAMS


Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology, Pharmacology and Neurobiology

UAMS


Pediatrician

UAMS


Director of the Pain Neurobiology Laboratory

Arkansas Children's Hospital Research


Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology, Pharmacology and Neurobiology

University of Arkansas College of Medicine


And:

quote:

“Many years of careful research in which I have participated has shown that the neonate, or the fetus, is not a little adult; that the mechanisms and structures used for pain processing are very different at different stages of development. Indeed the nervous system will use the elements available at that time, at a particular stage of development, to transduce external and internal stimuli, and pain is an inherent, innate part of this system.…..My opinion is, based on evidence suggesting that the types of stimulation that will occur during abortion procedures, very likely most fetuses at 20 weeks after conception will be able to perceive that as painful, unpleasant, noxious stimulation.”

-Testimony of Dr. Sunny Anand, Director, Pain Neurobiology Laboratory, Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute, and Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology, Pharmacology, and Neurobiology, University of Arkansas College of Medicine, Hearing Before The Subcommittee On The Constitution of The Committee On The Judiciary House Of Representatives 109th Cong., 1st Sess. 2005.

Full testimony available at: http://ftp.resource.org/gpo.gov/hearings/109h/24284.pdf



And all that the infanticidists can offer is: "It's a woman's right to kill her baby that depends upon her for everything." (assuming the fetus is viewed as a "parasite", of course; another very humane point of view).



Peace and comfort,



Michael




pahunkboy -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:55:32 AM)

Why do some push abortion like this is the measure of freedom? How many abortions does one need in a lifetime?


I do not think one has the right to kill others.




tazzygirl -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 9:57:47 AM)

And most babies delivered to a woman with preterm pre-eclampsia do not survive.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12521452




pahunkboy -> RE: 20 weeks abortion bill passes the HOR (6/19/2013 10:00:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Maybeher

I rather the fetus be gone than be raised by parents that hate each other



Then why not adopt? Abortion is not the only possible solution to a pregnancy.




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