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Do you have the article?
Drones have been used for some time by SWAT teams to look for criminals and explosives in buildings (remember, it doesn't have to fly to be a drone).

The only time I think they should be used is if there is probable cause and/or a warrant.
otherwise, I'd say open season.
I even think traffic cameras are bullshit.

Traffic cameras are not for spying on people, for the most part. Some are used to intercept terrorist attacks, but mainly they are used to keep the traffic flowing in big cities.

Speeding and the occasional accident for liability....at least for now.

as are those lil black boxes & oh so friendly trackers (like On Star) they are putting in cars now too.. & that plug-in thing that slut Flo flogs for Progressive Insurance to track your driving.. but those can do so much more too like spy on & track employees, your spouse or kids.. etc.. traffic cameras are the least of it.. and once you know where they are you can adjust your driving or avoid them all together... the other stuff is totally a different animal..

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Air Force Bugbot Nano Drone Technology
YIRMASTER

Published on Apr 11, 2013

Air Force Bugbots Nano Drone video gives a peak inside what nano-drone technology the Federal Government is currently implementing within the united states more than a scary thought or sci-fi movie, they have arrived.

The deadly, insect-sized drones of the future - Unobtrusive, Invasive, and Lethal are here as depicted in this old video

The Air Force is reportedly developing winged drones that can sneak up on a suspected enemy as stealthily as a mosquito

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You are aware the the drones in question are not predator drones, right?

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You are aware the the drones in question are not predator drones, right?

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You are aware the the drones in question are not predator drones, right?

depends on boundaries of your definition of "predator".

with dna hacking and nanotech they sure as hell can be just as lethal as a nuke.

assuredly they will test it before the courts catch up however if the courts ever do.

if this society has anything that resembles a brain they would at a minimum dissolve anything that acts in accord with a quasi-public entity and draw a hard and fast line between private and public. But its doubtful anyone would add that up to understand its significance.

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Seems likely that the same principle that allows cameras in public places allows drone surveillance in public as well. I hope if they're snooping inside private property they have a warrant.

Why all of a sudden now...do they need a warrant ? The FBI can go into your home while everybody is away and take what intel the need. no warrant, no need to tell you. Where have you people been ?

You bitch about govt. and their policies no matter their political party, yet don't even know the Patriot act etc. The constitutiton id fucking dead whenever it suits govt.

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Seems likely that the same principle that allows cameras in public places allows drone surveillance in public as well. I hope if they're snooping inside private property they have a warrant.

Why all of a sudden now...do they need a warrant ? The FBI can go into your home while everybody is away and take what intel the need. no warrant, no need to tell you. Where have you people been ?

You bitch about govt. and their policies no matter their political party, yet don't even know the Patriot act etc. The constitutiton id fucking dead whenever it suits govt.

No, they cannot. They still need a warrant to search your home.

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Do you have the article?
Drones have been used for some time by SWAT teams to look for criminals and explosives in buildings (remember, it doesn't have to fly to be a drone).

The only time I think they should be used is if there is probable cause and/or a warrant.
otherwise, I'd say open season.
I even think traffic cameras are bullshit.

Traffic cameras are not for spying on people, for the most part. Some are used to intercept terrorist attacks, but mainly they are used to keep the traffic flowing in big cities.

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Amendment 4 of the U.S. Constitution
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Traffic cameras are not for spying on people, for the most part. Some are used to intercept terrorist attacks, but mainly they are used to keep the traffic flowing in big cities.

can they identify a car and report its position?

if yes they are spying.

As usual you are talking bollocks. How do you think traffic in major cities flows fairly smoothly ?

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In early 2006, USA Today reported that several major telephone companies were cooperating illegally with the National Security Agency to monitor the phone records of U.S. citizens, and storing them in a large database known as the NSA call database. This report came on the heels of allegations that the U.S. government had been conducting electronic surveillance of domestic telephone calls without warrants.

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Consider the following:

On drone use by the FBI
1) The drones in question are not predator drones, for the most part they are less than five feet by five feet, with a basic hi res camera and thermo imaging.

2) While predator drones are used on the Mexican border, and on occasion been made available to local law enforcement for dealing with hostage situations and fugitive location, you must remember these are the exception to the rule.

3) If you had read the article, you would have noticed that these are used when the safety of a human observation team is in doubt.

On NSA monitoring of cell phones and internet use
1) This program started under Bush, and was continued under Obama.

2) My personal opinion is that the NSA is not really looking for terrorists, although they claim to have foiled some terrorist plots, they are bored and are gleaning emails, text messages and cell phone calls of a more personal and explicate nature. Considering how boring it is sitting at a computer all day long, the odd terrorist plot would be a bonus, the continued flow of amateur porn would probably be the norm.

That is not to say that the Official Reason is a lie, it is just saying that the techs working on the program are for the most part bored out of their fucking minds.

Use of CCTV systems to monitor citizens

According to a few sources, the UK is the most surveilled country in the west.

However it seems that everyone has forgotten this little tidbit:

In early 2006, USA Today reported that several major telephone companies were cooperating illegally with the National Security Agency to monitor the phone records of U.S. citizens, and storing them in a large database known as the NSA call database. This report came on the heels of allegations that the U.S. government had been conducting electronic surveillance of domestic telephone calls without warrants.

Lets face it, if you dont want to be on camera, have calls and email monitored, you need to eliminate all kinds of electronic communication, move to the most remote area you can find, and live in a cave or a cold war era missile installation of bunker.

Or you can contact one of a number of firms that provide encryption equipment for private use.

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For a while, there was a constitutional problem because in the US, one has a right to face their accuser in court and you can't bring a robot into court but they tap danced around it by declaring that camera tickets were a civil penalty and not a criminal penalty and therefore exempt from the right to face ones accuser.

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That is interesting. Here they use traffic lights to keep the traffic flowing. How do the traffic camera's work?

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That is interesting. Here they use traffic lights to keep the traffic flowing. How do the traffic camera's work?

Transport For London have an integrated system. Road junctions are kept flowing with the use of CCTV, Computers and traffic signals. They can alter the flow of traffic as desired and also spot breakdowns far quicker.

Just one of the reasons there are so many cameras in London. The Police also have a system of cameras called ANPR. These scan plates and then check owners details to see if the car is stolen, taxed, insured. They can also check where cars involved in crimes are heading. Many will piss and moan that this is spying, but it is also an effective tool for public safety. ANPR allowed the police to catch the Glasgow Airport bombers within three days of the attack.

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According to a few sources, the UK is the most surveilled country in the west.