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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Consider the following:

On drone use by the FBI
1) The drones in question are not predator drones, for the most part they are less than five feet by five feet, with a basic hi res camera and thermo imaging.

2) While predator drones are used on the Mexican border, and on occasion been made available to local law enforcement for dealing with hostage situations and fugitive location, you must remember these are the exception to the rule.

3) If you had read the article, you would have noticed that these are used when the safety of a human observation team is in doubt.

On NSA monitoring of cell phones and internet use
1) This program started under Bush, and was continued under Obama.

2) My personal opinion is that the NSA is not really looking for terrorists, although they claim to have foiled some terrorist plots, they are bored and are gleaning emails, text messages and cell phone calls of a more personal and explicate nature. Considering how boring it is sitting at a computer all day long, the odd terrorist plot would be a bonus, the continued flow of amateur porn would probably be the norm.

That is not to say that the Official Reason is a lie, it is just saying that the techs working on the program are for the most part bored out of their fucking minds.

Use of CCTV systems to monitor citizens

According to a few sources, the UK is the most surveilled country in the west.

However it seems that everyone has forgotten this little tidbit:

In early 2006, USA Today reported that several major telephone companies were cooperating illegally with the National Security Agency to monitor the phone records of U.S. citizens, and storing them in a large database known as the NSA call database. This report came on the heels of allegations that the U.S. government had been conducting electronic surveillance of domestic telephone calls without warrants.

Lets face it, if you dont want to be on camera, have calls and email monitored, you need to eliminate all kinds of electronic communication, move to the most remote area you can find, and live in a cave or a cold war era missile installation of bunker.

Or you can contact one of a number of firms that provide encryption equipment for private use.

ok so then using government definitions, the government is "terrorizing" americans.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Damn cameras cost me $100.00 for running a light I declared semi-yellow, for some reason the camera lied and showed it red!...Lying damn camera! I think it is a conspiracy, if hunky can ever post again, I'm having him tell his buddy Alex to look into it!

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ORIGINAL: sissibaby

im not sure what the big issue is with drones. The police here in California use helicopters all the time to look for folks. How is this any different than drones. How many highways in the US say speed checked by aircraft? The only major difference between a drone and a helicopter is one is manned and the other is not. Sure you could say size is a factor but the intent is no different really and the big deal about drones seems should be should any spying on US citizens be permitted not is one flying device better or worse than another. It is the spying that is really the concern for me not the vehicle.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: sissibaby

im not sure what the big issue is with drones. The police here in California use helicopters all the time to look for folks. How is this any different than drones. How many highways in the US say speed checked by aircraft? The only major difference between a drone and a helicopter is one is manned and the other is not. Sure you could say size is a factor but the intent is no different really and the big deal about drones seems should be should any spying on US citizens be permitted not is one flying device better or worse than another. It is the spying that is really the concern for me not the vehicle.

I sort of agree with you;especially when you consider that it isn't the drones, per se or the helicopters, used in chases, etc. It's the kind of technology they carry ... X-rays ... sonars ... heat mapping equipment ... all which fly in the face of the fourth amendment (that pesky little bit that the government can't stand about people being secure in their HOMES and persons without just cause and a specific warrent of what is to be searched and what they hope to find).

Drones just make it easier for them to do all this repugnant shit because once they pay for the equipment, they can reduce costs in manpower. Also, drones make it easier for them to keep more people "out of the loop" regarding what they're actually doing with them.

And I don't want to hear the crap about the drones not having weapons. I'm sure some of them do and I'm sure if they haven't been used yet, against US citizens, they will be, soon.



Peace and comfort,



Michael