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TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 8:43:40 AM

ARIES83

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This term has come up from time to time, but I've never really seen a proper thread detailing exactly what it can entail.
I have a general idea, but would like to find out from people in the know, what do they do when they do a takedown?
What are your objectives? What are some things to be aware of?

I've got a general picture of takedowns mostly being about breaking down a sub/slave/bottom...?

I'd be interested to hear from anyone with a takedown experience, and their thoughts on it.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 8:56:23 AM

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I've got a general picture of takedowns mostly being about breaking down a sub/slave/bottom...?

Not for us. I just like really rough sex. I love feeling how strong he is. I love the animalistic-ness of it.

I have a friend that describes herself as an adrenaline junkie. So, not for her either.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 9:02:46 AM

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Wife and I do this. But not full on. It's not a rape fantasy per say. But more "I don't feel like it- oh YES you do!". I often start by grabbing her hair at the back of her neck and giving her the "your mine kiss". Often that's where it all ends and she "melts". But.. In case she does not submit I have a pair of handcuffs ready (usually in my back pocket) and the wrestling match begins. After she is cuffed it gets much easier to control her. The bummer is her fav cloths are the best to rip off. So her fave tank tops often get sacrificed to our carnal actions.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 9:06:27 AM

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A rape scene tends to be a stranger and have some sort of role play, takedown tends to just be the physical aspect. Its not a kink of mine as overcoming a woman physically does nothing for me. Thst said, like most things, if the chemistry is right, it can be hot.

Okay, in writing this I started thinking about examples and uh, I may be more into this than I realized as multiple examples came to mind.

I lived with a woman for years who was a Domme. We met at a munch and had a lot of high brow conversation about the mental aspects of kink. Then one night the sparks flew and we went at it. It ws sort of wrestling for top, I finally bent her over a setee, yanked her pants down and raped her ass, May have ben the only time she had an orgasm just from anal but it was hot.

A more recent one was kinda fucked up as I was in a wierd sort of not friends but not lovers with a hard core prodomme in san francisco. Many MANY years before, as part of the bullshit myth that to be a good dom one must submit first, my slave at the time aranged for me to bottom to this woman, Disaster, I ended up having to give her aftetcare. So fast forward 15 years... I loved her mind but there was just no physical attraction on my part. At a gay leather bar/munch that was heavy on play, we had been drinking. So, she is busting my balls a bit verbally and I love that sort of,verbal banter and its kinda hot. I,suddenly grab her hair, shove her up against the bar, force her head back and kiss her hard and deep. The bar went kinda silent as she is well known as a domme. Well she ended up on,her knees and...she wrote a long post on,fet about,how hot it was but I felt like an,as for doing it because I had no intention of following up.

The most classic takedown was at a party missokyst was at. I wrote about it somewhere here but I cant find it.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 9:09:44 AM

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Um...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BQ8tpTN5HE

Oops, probably not what you had in mind...

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 9:55:10 AM

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Take down has nothing to do with breaking down a sub/bottom. It is a physical act of being overwhelmed by a body who matches your moves and continues until you can no longer offer resistance. Sort of like rough sex but with a mental determination behind it. You might try looking up apache dance. While that is not exactly a take down scene it very much has the feel of it.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 10:12:55 AM

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Strange how take downs are reduced to sexual play only on the boards. I rarely incorporate sex into this scene.. Its about physically dominating the bottom until they can no longer fight/resist. Did this with a friends boyfriend in Negril a week ago and it was an epic scene with a nice group of bystanders adding to the energy. Photo posted on my twitter & fl.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 10:38:55 AM

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You over state.
The posters who responded were talking about play of this sort with their mate. USUALLY that will include sex. At parties, clubs, ect such as that which SimplyMichael mentioned there is.. usually no sex.
For me in a relationship it is the predominant way I engage sexually. At a party I would probably end up at someones feet in a woozy haze, and no sex.

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Strange how take downs are reduced to sexual play only on the boards. I rarely incorporate sex into this scene.. Its about physically dominating the bottom until they can no longer fight/resist. Did this with a friends boyfriend in Negril a week ago and it was an epic scene with a nice group of bystanders adding to the energy. Photo posted on my twitter & fl.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:05:45 AM

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We don't engage in take downs. Well I should say the me of we don't because taking him down is fucking impossible

. He is built like a linebacker and is as strong as 10 bulls put together. So him taking me down is easy. Me taking him down...not so much...at all. It's definitely never been something I'd think was being used to break someone. For me, it's one of those physical tools that add to the whole power exchange aspect.

On a side note, I fail to see how it is "being reduced to sexual play only on the boards." If it's part of someone's sexual repertoire, who cares?

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 10:31:46 PM

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Well, if you consider "struggling" to break free from a Domme putting me under her complete control, I do know what that feel's like. Especially when she is 6 feet tall and about 170 lbs. O sorry, I guess guys experience this too sometimes. No special sex at the end either.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:06:24 PM

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Count Me in with those who really don't jive with the term breaking.

As I was saying on the other thread, this isn't as difficult as folks make it out to be. The easiest way, for Me at any rate, to take somebody down is having the element of surprise and use a couple of self defensive moves in an offensive manner. A swift knee to the side of a person's thigh is usually enough to drop them and disorient them for a few seconds. (I'm just going to mention here that Sir Dale teaches one hell of a class on resistance play and that's where I learned that little trick.) It's generally enough to get the person on the ground and their hands close enough together to work a quick, pre-made slip knot over their wrists.

The objective for Me generally isn't sex. Just incapacitating and restraining the other person. I might just really want them on the floor for that particular beating. Also very fun for objectification. Excellent for scenes where you have the intention of cutting the person's clothes off.

This really is a type of resistance play and there are risks. A person hitting their head on the way down or landing the wrong way on their wrist is always a possibility. (I should have remembered that one for Michael's physical risks thread.)

My last takedown/kidnap scene was such a disappointment. Another gal and I went to the guy's apartment. I'm all jazzed up, psyched up for the fight. Adrenaline going. We go in, tell him that we are kidnapping him. He just says ok, puts on his cuffs, grabs his own toybag, and walks out to the car. Pfffft.

(Still kicked his ass when we got him here though.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:15:55 PM

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I remember a girl I still know who did that to a guy. We were going to pick him up and she was "kidnapping" him. She even tied his hands together and he followed her out to the car. I thought that was kind of neat. Don't see that everyday.

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Count Me in with those who really don't jive with the term breaking.

As I was saying on the other thread, this isn't as difficult as folks make it out to be. The easiest way, for Me at any rate, to take somebody down is having the element of surprise and use a couple of self defensive moves in an offensive manner. A swift knee to the side of a person's thigh is usually enough to drop them and disorient them for a few seconds. (I'm just going to mention here that Sir Dale teaches one hell of a class on resistance play and that's where I learned that little trick.) It's generally enough to get the person on the ground and their hands close enough together to work a quick, pre-made slip knot over their wrists.

The objective for Me generally isn't sex. Just incapacitating and restraining the other person. I might just really want them on the floor for that particular beating. Also very fun for objectification. Excellent for scenes where you have the intention of cutting the person's clothes off.

This really is a type of resistance play and there are risks. A person hitting their head on the way down or landing the wrong way on their wrist is always a possibility. (I should have remembered that one for Michael's physical risks thread.)

My last takedown/kidnap scene was such a disappointment. Another gal and I went to the guy's apartment. I'm all jazzed up, psyched up for the fight. Adrenaline going. We go in, tell him that we are kidnapping him. He just says ok, puts on his cuffs, grabs his own toybag, and walks out to the car. Pfffft.

(Still kicked his ass when we got him here though. )

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:35:57 PM

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I didn't think it referred mainly to physical stuff, I always thought there was some type of emotional trauma involved or putting someone in there place... Like "taken down a notch" haha.

Whats the term for that^ then?
An emotional takedown?

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:41:13 PM

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That's the way I view it too,set aside the physical aspect to it. The emotional/mental effects of being put in "my" place is a very humbling experience. Especially if I "try" to struggle and I can't. There really are some very tough women out there. This isn't always just a fantasy. I've met girls who know karate. I don't care what some "alpha" people might think about me, I would not want to piss off some women in real life.

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I didn't think it referred mainly to physical stuff, I always thought there was some type of emotional trauma involved or putting someone in there place... Like "taken down a notch" haha.

Whats the term for that^ then?
An emotional takedown?

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:48:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83
I didn't think it referred mainly to physical stuff, I always thought there was some type of emotional trauma involved or putting someone in there place... Like "taken down a notch" haha.

Whats the term for that^ then?
An emotional takedown?

I just call that "Get on your knees, NOW!"

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:49:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83

I didn't think it referred mainly to physical stuff, I always thought there was some type of emotional trauma involved or putting someone in there place... Like "taken down a notch" haha.

Whats the term for that^ then?
An emotional takedown?

Degradation and humiliation come to mind.

Outside of the sex, I believe the proper terminology is "the workplace". Perhaps, occasionally, "birthday party".

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/21/2013 11:55:58 PM

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I remember a girl I still know who did that to a guy. We were going to pick him up and she was "kidnapping" him. She even tied his hands together and he followed her out to the car. I thought that was kind of neat. Don't see that everyday.

We did throw a jacket over his hands to that people wouldn't see that his cuffs were hooked together.

Part of the reason that I was invited along in this little gig was the vehicle. My friend thought it would be too unrealistic if she had to kidnap him using his own car.

Talk about stuff you don't see/hear everyday. I'm one of the few folks who has kidnapped somebody where the kidnappee offered to pay for the gas at the gas station.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/22/2013 8:05:34 AM

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I did a take down scene for the hell of it. A former domme I played with on occasion loved fighting for a strap on. We would fight in a t shirt and shorts. It started as a tao kwan do styled fight and when someone went down we would fight over removing clothes. I did a side kick to her chest and the sparring went down hill from there. I was out sized and thought I was out classed in skill level. I was mistaken. Her skill level was exagerated. When we began grappling over clothes she had almost no stamina left and then we grappled over the strap on and seriously, I hated taking the strap on to her. My step dad owned the gym and she was a long time member. I guess I should have payed more attention to her form and her membership. She did a lot of cardio kick boxing and also did womens self defense but not well.

I am a submissive and didn't appreciate being in a dominate side of play. In the nature of the game I pinned and took her anyway. But we never grappled like that again. No safety word was used and she was a good sport for the session. But after that we just sparred together.

It wasn't about playing at rape so much as using brute strength and fight tactics. We kept in the limitations of fight rules at the gym. No biting or hair pulling or any joint or throat shots. We used padding.

I never did a kidnap or consent non consent. I would do another take down like I described but ONLY if I sparred first. I would need to be confident that I was outclassed the next time or I doubt I would be interested.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/22/2013 10:13:08 AM

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The OP said "I've got a general picture of takedowns mostly being about breaking down a sub/slave/bottom...?"

Breaking someone down can be a dicey proposition. Be it physical or mental, sexual or not. I've done breaking down plenty in my time, BUT I always knew beforehand that the desire was there for both parties, and that the outcome would be positive. It was easier for me in the respect that my preference is for long term relationships; so I got to know my partner well. I don't play, so I do not get involved with one night stands, or casual acquaintances.

There is nothing wrong with casual acquaintances, of course. Just a need to be much more careful, more prepared for an outcome that might be different from what was expected.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/22/2013 10:21:27 AM

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@dyfrynt- I completely agree with you. I was 21 at the time and made assumptions that could have gone either way. I was lucky and learned a lot from what could have been a lot more negetive than a matter of prefrences in giving and taking a strap on.

I don't advise anybody repeat that particular action and hope someone can avoid my mistake by reading my experience.

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