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farglebargle -> US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 5:45:49 PM)

Why didn't the US arm Afghani women so that they could defend themselves against crazy religious extremists?




Aylee -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 6:15:29 PM)

Cause guns are baaaaaaaaaad. Duh.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 6:31:37 PM)

Because in most islamic countries, women don't count as 'people' and are lower than dogs and goats with even fewer priviliges.

In their society, only men are allowed to have such things and if any lowly woman ever got hold of a gun they'd be shot or stoned for having ideas above their station.
Such an action would have the men up in arms and slaughtering the women for even thinking they can touch a gun.
They aren't allowed free thought or education FFS!
Do you think the men would allow a foreign power to arm their women??





BamaD -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 6:35:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Why didn't the US arm Afghani women so that they could defend themselves against crazy religious extremists?

Why would a government that doesn't want American women to have guns give them to Afghan women? Wouldn't those evil guns turn on their owners and force them to kill school children?




Lucylastic -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 6:52:37 PM)

Edited to add." the idea in the original post " is facetious bullshit at best




BamaD -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 6:54:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

facetious bullshit at best

Look up sarcasim




Lucylastic -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 7:02:24 PM)

I wasnt actually talking about your post, so Im gonna apologise for not making that clearer.




BamaD -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 7:12:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I wasnt actually talking about your post, so Im gonna apologise for not making that clearer.

Happens a lot sorry for the reply




Lucylastic -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 7:15:50 PM)

noworries, as you say, it happens[:)]




farglebargle -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 9:38:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Because in most islamic countries, women don't count as 'people' and are lower than dogs and goats with even fewer priviliges.

In their society, only men are allowed to have such things and if any lowly woman ever got hold of a gun they'd be shot or stoned for having ideas above their station.
Such an action would have the men up in arms and slaughtering the women for even thinking they can touch a gun.
They aren't allowed free thought or education FFS!
Do you think the men would allow a foreign power to arm their women??




I think that if the United States invades and occupies your country, you do as you're fucking told or we level the fucking place. If we didn't go there to set the women free, every single soldier's death was in vain.




BamaD -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/21/2013 9:43:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Because in most islamic countries, women don't count as 'people' and are lower than dogs and goats with even fewer priviliges.

In their society, only men are allowed to have such things and if any lowly woman ever got hold of a gun they'd be shot or stoned for having ideas above their station.
Such an action would have the men up in arms and slaughtering the women for even thinking they can touch a gun.
They aren't allowed free thought or education FFS!
Do you think the men would allow a foreign power to arm their women??




I think that if the United States invades and occupies your country, you do as you're fucking told or we level the fucking place. If we didn't go there to set the women free, every single soldier's death was in vain.

If they kill women for going to school how will they react to arming women.




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/22/2013 12:15:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Why didn't the US arm Afghani women so that they could defend themselves against crazy religious extremists?
Probably because they did not organise an army, revolted and fought the extremists for 2 years.




tweakabelle -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/22/2013 1:26:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Why didn't the US arm Afghani women so that they could defend themselves against crazy religious extremists?


I would imagine one explanation is that it would be a waste of time.

Unlike some others, most women recoil at the idea of killing people and tend to prefer less violent solutions to problems




jlf1961 -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/22/2013 1:33:20 AM)

In a one on one situation, most Afghan women are not something to be messed with, as a number of Soviet soldiers found out.

However, the fundies that "teach" women their proper place in society never seem to work alone.

As far as arming them, whether or not they are fundamentalist muslims or ones that are more modern in their philosophies, the cultural stigma of women taking a human life is still pretty strong in the afghan culture.

While I tend to agree that these women need some form of self defense, I am at a loss as to what to suggest.




eulero83 -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/22/2013 6:14:39 AM)

what I don't understand is why you suppose there can't be any female islamic extremist... it's religion not slavery even if it came in the form of the second one.




Aylee -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/22/2013 6:43:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Why didn't the US arm Afghani women so that they could defend themselves against crazy religious extremists?


I would imagine one explanation is that it would be a waste of time.

Unlike some others, most women recoil at the idea of killing people and tend to prefer less violent solutions to problems


Hahahahahahaha! That is funny. Sure us wimmins prefer less violent solutions. How is the weather on the world you live in?

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!


~Rudyard Kipling

The Female of the Species

WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.


Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale—
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.


She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.


~Kipling again.




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/22/2013 7:20:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
I would imagine one explanation is that it would be a waste of time.

Unlike some others, most women recoil at the idea of killing people and tend to prefer less violent solutions to problems

Most men too. Therefore, it does not seem like a valid explanation.




Real0ne -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/23/2013 9:29:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

While I tend to agree that these women need some form of self defense, I am at a loss as to what to suggest.


democracy with its impenetrable police state so they can vote the bastids out




Real0ne -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/23/2013 9:30:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Why didn't the US arm Afghani women so that they could defend themselves against crazy religious extremists?

what if they for the moist part agree with their religion?




FrostedFlake -> RE: US War on Women extends to Afghanistan... (6/23/2013 10:11:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Why didn't the US arm Afghani women so that they could defend themselves against crazy religious extremists?

What kind of question is that? It sounds a lot like, "Let's you and him fight". Both on this page, and on the ground on the other side of the world. A better question might be, "Did those buildings really fall down? Or were they pulled?"

It's been more than a decade. You are over the shock and awe. You have no excuse for failing to 'get it'.

A peek into the 'memory hole'.




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