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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 5:59:27 PM   
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I am not sure what, in the updated article, gives the impression that there is some explanation for saying "sure, Mr...-sorry didn't catch your name in the Dollar Store-for taking my 8 yr old daughter out of my sight in a large and crowded store". I am NOT blaming the victim because she is a deceased child whose last minutes on earth were unthinkable... I am blaming the mother who did not live up to her responsibility as a parent. I know the stress of shopping with kids, I understand the "take your eyes off of them for a second and they are gone" thing... I cannot condone the judgement of the person responsible for the safety of a child.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 6:00:37 PM   
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I'm sorry but when I saw the title of the thread, my first thought was: Duh!

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 6:07:22 PM   
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I am not sure what, in the updated article, gives the impression that there is some explanation for saying "sure, Mr...-sorry didn't catch your name in the Dollar Store-for taking my 8 yr old daughter out of my sight in a large and crowded store". I am NOT blaming the victim because she is a deceased child whose last minutes on earth were unthinkable... I am blaming the mother who did not live up to her responsibility as a parent. I know the stress of shopping with kids, I understand the "take your eyes off of them for a second and they are gone" thing... I cannot condone the judgement of the person responsible for the safety of a child.



Right!!!!!! I would be so creeped out if some guy tried to befriend me in any store. I would be calling my husband or a friend to give me a hand saying a creepy guy was being a bit too nice, not sending my little girl off with him.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 6:12:36 PM   
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I live in WV now, one of the poorest states in the union. Most areas don't have public transportation and walking to a grocery store is impossible, so...unlike in big cities, hitch hiking is quite common. Mothers having to let their six year old kids run wild all over town while the welfare sends them off to work at McDonalds is quite common.

Small towns where everybody knows each other often carries with it a false sense of security, encouraged/forced by everyone. They might report you to DHHR if you seem to be too controlling, too paranoid over your kid, restraining his or her freedom and stunting their social growth. Won't let a six year old walk several blocks to the bus stop alone? Won't let them "go outside and play" with the other kids all over town, exploring every nook and cranny, creek, abandoned building, going inside anyone's home who offers a dollar to wash their dog? Poor and won't let church volunteers take your kid clothing shopping??? These are clear cases of "child abuse" in my area, and grounded in fact or not, the welfare will investigate you if someone calls in a report.

It's almost 50 year old people like me who's made it easier for folks 40, 30, and in their 20's to be more "paranoid" over their child's welfare...enough to use leashes, etc.

I dislike the "holier than thou" attitude that someone's kid didn't get molested because they were vigilant enough. In defense of my mother, a working mother cannot possibly be vigilant enough, simply because for most of her kid's day, she's NOT THERE. Anyone's kid can be a victim if a patient, very skilled at hunting, pedophile who focuses their attention on that family and their child. Some are capable of earning a family's trust so much...that they would believe their kid is a liar and attention whore for speaking one word against him. A common way a pedophile gets in good with the family...is to become a boyfriend or new husband of the mother. Many women I've known over the years have brought a potential new boyfriend home to f*ck after their first or second date, probably with less hours of face time than this mother who let this "nice man" take them shopping. Yay for the "paranoid" mothers out there who can watch their children closely enough that most pedophiles will give up and go looking for easier prey.

Someone's child is being used though...as long as pedophiles are "punished" or "cured" and sent back out into the world to continue their hunting.

Yeah, I'm bitter over the wrist slapping for offenders. There is a pedo in my family who is still alive. He was molesting boys and girls for 20 something years (starting around 14 years old when he started babysitting a next door neighbor's little boy) before he was caught and spent some time in jail for molesting (that's such a sanitized, polite word for what really happens) his own toddlers. Yanno what? All of the family resents like hell that he was ever let out of prison; he's a truck driver and has been out of jail for a good seven years now. He hasn't remarried, so he can breed and produce a new batch of toddlers to molest, and he hasn't BEEN CAUGHT messing with other people's kids since he's regained his freedom.


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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 6:22:17 PM   
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I say, and bear in mind that I don't have any children of my own, that pedophiles in general should not go to prison. They should go to hell. Lined up an' blasted down with an AK.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 6:28:06 PM   
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I say, and bear in mind that I don't have any children of my own, that pedophiles in general should not go to prison. They should go to hell. Lined up an' blasted down with an AK.

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Right! Back in the 80's this town had quite a bit of vigilante justice. Certain people were allowed to take matters into their own hands. Still was going on til at least 1995 when our house was broken into and the Sheriff came to look at the damage and told us if they came back to shoot them cause thieves will not be tolerated around here. That sheriff retired in 2001 and surprisingly the crime rate went up, imagine that.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 7:31:29 PM   
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for those that say they would never let some stranger or person they have only known a week, blah blah blah.. those that say i only let my kids be with someone i know well and trust, blah blah blah.. stats show stranger abduction is actually quite rare (it does make the news headlines tho, especially amber alerts), its most often the one you know well, the friendly neighbor living next door for several years, the relative, the priest, father of your kids best friend, etc that are usually the predators.. How many times does someone turn out to have attacked, kidnapped, raped a child or been some other kind of dirty rat.. how many times are the victimized kids not even believed cuz the guy is too nice to do something bad like that.. when he is arrested, how many times do people say how "shocked" they are, how "he was such a nice guy", they "never have thought he could do such a thing".. Just sayin'

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 8:53:32 PM   
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I am not sure what, in the updated article, gives the impression that there is some explanation for saying "sure, Mr...-sorry didn't catch your name in the Dollar Store-for taking my 8 yr old daughter out of my sight in a large and crowded store". I am NOT blaming the victim because she is a deceased child whose last minutes on earth were unthinkable... I am blaming the mother who did not live up to her responsibility as a parent. I know the stress of shopping with kids, I understand the "take your eyes off of them for a second and they are gone" thing... I cannot condone the judgement of the person responsible for the safety of a child.

My point was that he had spent more than a few minutes building trust with the mother. He met her in a dollar store, struck up a conversation then offered to take her to Wal-Mart to buy shoes for the kids. The mom apparently did need some help so she was grateful for the offer and it helped bring her guard down.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/22/2013 10:33:42 PM   
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I'm not going to blame the mother here even though that is my inclination. I'm not in her shoes. I am a parent but I only have one and didn't need help from strangers to provide for her. I watched my daughter like a guard dog when she was little and we left the house together. She was rarely out of my sight. Those occasions when she had to be out of my sight - ladies room or changing room in a store - I stood at the doorway. Sometimes I just went in with her.

I agree with the comments about these perverts and how predatory and slick they can be. They know exactly how to choose a target be it the child and/or the parent. What saddens me the most about this story is how much of society has deteriorated since I was a kid in the 60s and 70s. I was a child of a single parent home (single father) and my old man was often busy with the business of providing for his family. We got up at sunup, grabbed our bikes and hit the road. Maybe we came home at lunch and maybe not. Usually we didn't make it home until dinner. All summer long. Today you can't let them out of your sight.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 1:06:20 AM   
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This is awful. What struck me about the story is that the mother probably started out thinking he was a good Samaritan - a struggling woman has someone offer to help buy clothes for her three children - I imagine she must have felt touched and grateful. It's the kind of gesture that would make you feel good about the kindness in the world - only for that to be immediately shattered by the worst kind of cruelty. Was she a little naive to let her daughter wander off with him? Yes. But it's hard to say neglectful. I assume the McDonalds was inside the store? She most likely thought it was harmless, there were people around, he was an older guy doing an act of kindness. You can imagine the little girl going to help carry the food... heartbreaking. It happened to this woman, but I imagine there are hundreds of families who could have been in her position and ended the same way.

It doesn't really matter whether you blame the mother or not. She will blame herself until the day she dies. She will have to look into the eyes of her other children and deal with their grief and fear and know she could have prevented it.

While I agree you don't let your kids spend time with people you don't know, the sad fact is that the vast majority of child sexual abuse, child abduction etc is perpetrated by someone the child already knows. An uncle or a neighbour or a club leader. Guys like this are terrifying because we feel so out of control. We feel like we can vet people we know but the predator in the street in an unknown factor and we are so limited in how much we can protect our families. It's easy and somewhat natural to blame the mother because we want to make it feel like it could never happen to us - if I am a better mother than her, my child will be safe. We have no control over the dangerous criminals, so we latch onto the parts of the equation we can control and feel anger towards the parents.

This guy was only barely out of jail. If not this little girl, he may have snatched someone in the street. He was the million-to-one horrendous thing that could have happened - a child abduction and murder. I do think it's a myth that the world is more dangerous than it used to be. Things are better publicised now but there have always been bad people. Murder rates in the US are lower than they have been in 20 years. I know I won't be stopping my child playing out and having the freedom I had as a child - if we are unlucky, we might be the unlucky one-in-a-million who gets caught by a predator. If that happens you can go ahead and call me a negligent mother for allowing my child to play - I understand it's what we need to do to cope.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 5:56:42 AM   
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What saddens me the most about this story is how much of society has deteriorated since I was a kid in the 60s and 70s. I was a child of a single parent home (single father) and my old man was often busy with the business of providing for his family. We got up at sunup, grabbed our bikes and hit the road. Maybe we came home at lunch and maybe not. Usually we didn't make it home until dinner. All summer long. Today you can't let them out of your sight.



While what happened to this child is a tragedy, it still does not make the above true.

Children were not safer in those times. We just percive it this way, among other things because of hightened awareness and media reporting.

Each instance of a child getting hurt is horrible, but I refuse to let an irrational fear of mine interfere with them growing up and playing as children should.

I am much more concerned for my sprogs when they are in the car with me, than I am when they are outside, playing.



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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 8:57:12 AM   
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What saddens me the most about this story is how much of society has deteriorated since I was a kid in the 60s and 70s. I was a child of a single parent home (single father) and my old man was often busy with the business of providing for his family. We got up at sunup, grabbed our bikes and hit the road. Maybe we came home at lunch and maybe not. Usually we didn't make it home until dinner. All summer long. Today you can't let them out of your sight.



While what happened to this child is a tragedy, it still does not make the above true.

Children were not safer in those times. We just percive it this way, among other things because of hightened awareness and media reporting.

Each instance of a child getting hurt is horrible, but I refuse to let an irrational fear of mine interfere with them growing up and playing as children should.

I am much more concerned for my sprogs when they are in the car with me, than I am when they are outside, playing.





Yes! We only hear about it more now thanks to 24 hour news.

On my parenting board it is sad the number of people that know some woman who left her kid with someone she barely knew and that child was harmed.

My mom let me run all over town and I only needed to be home by 6 pm. I never told her where I was or who I was with, everyone was like that back then. I would never let my kids just go today even though we are in just as small of a town as I grew up in, of course there is a child molester living down the block from me that makes me more cautious.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 9:17:44 AM   
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From the comments:

Maria Lourdes Krizia Davis

Charish is my step sister. My step father's (from my mother's previous marriage) daughter. For all of those that that have such negative comments about her mother..... I completely AGREE! I as a mother would NEVER let some stranger just take my child anywhere! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE People of Jacksonville, help find her! She is a very young, sweet and impressionable (Not just because she is only 8 but because her mother has taught her to be that way) little girl. Please also keep her in your prayers.....

Maria Lourdes Krizia Davis

Emily, No I don't think her mother is involved........ But if you ever met her, you'd know she is a complete moron! Her other children are even younger.... please tell me why you have all those kids out at Walmart that late at night let alone letting your 8 year old daughter go to Mcdonald's with a complete stranger!!!!!!!!!


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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 9:20:59 AM   
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The second article says he befriended her a week before an offered to buy them clothing at walmart they looked like they needed it.


Where do you see "week?" I just see "prior."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-body-abducted-florida-girl-found-19463732#.Ucccg5yR6EU

Prior to the alleged abduction Friday night, Smith, 56, befriended Charish and her mother at a dollar store, and "offered to take them to Wal-Mart and buy her family some clothes," Williams said.

"They appeared to be down on their luck and he could help them out."

After spending a couple hours inside the Wal-Mart together, Smith offered to buy hamburgers and walked with Charish to the front of the store, Williams said.

Instead of stopping to buy the snack, Smith walked Charish outside and the two of them got into his van, Williams said.

The girl's mother called 911 when she realized Charish and Smith were missing.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 11:14:06 AM   
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I mis read, sorry, some how I thought the dollar store and then walmart were different days.
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The second article says he befriended her a week before an offered to buy them clothing at walmart they looked like they needed it.


Where do you see "week?" I just see "prior."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-body-abducted-florida-girl-found-19463732#.Ucccg5yR6EU

Prior to the alleged abduction Friday night, Smith, 56, befriended Charish and her mother at a dollar store, and "offered to take them to Wal-Mart and buy her family some clothes," Williams said.

"They appeared to be down on their luck and he could help them out."

After spending a couple hours inside the Wal-Mart together, Smith offered to buy hamburgers and walked with Charish to the front of the store, Williams said.

Instead of stopping to buy the snack, Smith walked Charish outside and the two of them got into his van, Williams said.

The girl's mother called 911 when she realized Charish and Smith were missing.


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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 1:38:59 PM   
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This is horrible and the fact that he was on the streets in the first place sickens me.

I am one of those mothers that carries so much paranoia and worry that no, a stranger would not be spending any amount of time alone with my child. And yes, I'm leery of certain friends, neighbors, and relatives that I would not leave them alone with my child either.
When I take my kids out to the store, my mind is a complete clusterfuck - so many things to concentrate on - but I always have them by me and in my sight.
With that all said, I cannot guarantee things wouldn't be different if 1) my children were more rambunctious, running around in different directions or 2) I was not lucky enough to be able to provide for my children in such a way that the kindness of strangers wasn't a welcome gift.
Being a parent, I have difficulty trusting others. I see most people as a person that could potentially become a danger to my child. I don't enjoy viewing people like that, but that's how protective I am. Could she have insisted on going with them? Yes. Could she have been paranoid on his true intentions in the first place? Yes. But I actually view her ability to trust another human as commendable. It's just unfortunate that this particular human was a predator. I place all blame entirely on him. And it's people like him that have made me a paranoid basket case of a parent.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 6:54:57 PM   
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Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart!

Or anywhere else, for that matter.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/23/2013 8:06:55 PM   
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Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart!

Or anywhere else, for that matter.



Yeah, you would think people would know this. I wonder if she is really young. they seem way more convinced bad things wont happen it seems.

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RE: Dont let a stranger have your kid at wal mart! - 6/24/2013 4:17:50 AM   
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I dislike the "holier than thou" attitude that someone's kid didn't get molested because they were vigilant enough. In defense of my mother, a working mother cannot possibly be vigilant enough, simply because for most of her kid's day, she's NOT THERE. Anyone's kid can be a victim if a patient, very skilled at hunting, pedophile who focuses their attention on that family and their child. Some are capable of earning a family's trust so much...that they would believe their kid is a liar and attention whore for speaking one word against him. A common way a pedophile gets in good with the family...is to become a boyfriend or new husband of the mother. Many women I've known over the years have brought a potential new boyfriend home to f*ck after their first or second date, probably with less hours of face time than this mother who let this "nice man" take them shopping. Yay for the "paranoid" mothers out there who can watch their children closely enough that most pedophiles will give up and go looking for easier prey.

Someone's child is being used though...as long as pedophiles are "punished" or "cured" and sent back out into the world to continue their hunting.




^ This. I think Cynthia speaks a lot of sense.
I think probably the most disturbing thing I have read in these responses is keeping an 8 year old on a leash. If you did such a thing in Europe you would be investigated.

I remember being on a beach in Devon with my husband and two infant sons, when this young child ran round the corner crying for her parents. I called her and asked if I could help and as I did so she became hysterical, screaming, 'get away from me'. All I could do was back off and tail her (something I had to do because the tide was coming in) until she found her mum and dad. Instilling such terror in our children about strangers isn't fair and could be just as dangerous. Most people will not help a lost distressed child nowadays for fear of being thought of as a predator.

Granted, I was brought up in a different culture and I spent my childhood years exploring the great outdoors. The world seemed to of become a much more dangerous place by the time I had my two sons. I wanted my kids to be safe and have the sort of freedom I had as a child and yet the thought of abduction was the worst kind of hell imaginable. At the same time, I didn't want to participate in this new hysteria. Whilst understanding the importance of educating my boys of the potential dangers and whilst being an ever vigilant parent, I refused to become paranoid because paranoid parents incarcerate their kids.

Like wolves, a paedophile attack would be horrific, beyond any fear you have for your child, but the likelihood of a child being taken from the street is about as rare as a wolf attack. The truth is that most child abuse comes from someone we know and yet like Cynthia pointed out, we don't ask our child's school bus driver to wear tag bracelets.

I brought my kids up to be cautious but not afraid

I'm sure the mother of this child will regret her mistake for the rest of her life. Her other siblings may be torn from her arms for what the authorities may deem as 'for their own good'. She is not a murderer or a paedophile, she is a mother who is now going through the worst torture imaginable because the mistake she made on her daughters behalf was trust.






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