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njlauren -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/23/2013 3:37:43 PM)
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I personally think it would be foolish to use it in play, tear gas was meant to be used in crowd control situations or in trying to unarm people with weapons in certain situations. Using it indoors as play can lead to a lot of unintended consequences, ones I doubt the OP or others thinking of using this thought of, tear gas is a major irritant and can burn the nasal passages, tear ducts and so forth, and could cause scarring of those tissues, could also trigger an asthma like attack in someone breathing it in. Pepper spray is likewise designed to disarm someone, and it can have consequences, too. Does someone have the right to consent to use this stuff? Yes, but what worries me is someone like the OP, who is throwing out all these things, probably has zero experience with it, probably thinks it will be cool, and probably tells the sub, if he even does, 'oh, it is no big deal, it is used all the time'. There is a reason tear gas is a controlled substance, it is for use by professionals because it has so many issues, and in most places it is illegal for civilians to possess or own it. Pepper spray likewise has been banned in a lot of places, I don't know if NYC finally made it legal, because it has the potential to cause problems.
The point here is that to consent, someone has to know the risks, and given the glib way the OP posts, I don't think even he knows, let alone the sub. Consenting to something based on what another person tells you is not informed consent, because the sub doesn't know the risks. Put it this way, there was a long, drawn out discussion on here about using guns in play, and while I personally think it is foolish to do so, at least with those it is kind of hard to argue the sub doesn't know the risks of playing with loaded guns.....whereas with tear gas, given the nature of it, I doubt the OP or the sub understands the risk, he makes it sound like putting itching powder down someone's shirt or something. Not to mention, if something does go wrong, not only will the OP likely be charged with assault with a weapon (which tear gas is considered), they would be up on federal charges in the US for possessing it in the first place, and I suspect it is the same in many other countries.
Go ahead and use it if that is what thrills you, but at the very least do some research on what tear gas is and what it can do, and the kind of damage it can cause (cops have been sued for using it, for victims who have ended up with burns, blisters, and in some cases, loss of vision, asthmatic attacks and all kinds of other things,and cops themselves have gotten seriously hurt when using it). As far as the anything goes mentality, that applies as long as the people doing it are both knowledgeable enough to have informed consent, which apparently doesn't exist in this case. The other thing is people have the right to express their own opinions when asked about play, the OP asked about it, and people said they wouldn't do it and that they felt it was taking a foolish risk for no reason to do it, and they have that right, especially since they said why they felt it was foolish.
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