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RumpusParable -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/24/2013 3:13:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx About the use of gag, I would never leave a girl alone if she was exposed to gas and gag, this is common Sens It's not about leaving a girl alone while doing it, and you're reply being this indicates how you are again not someone who should be doing this type of play (note, again, as I said before I've no issue with people willingly being gassed)... you stated you wanted to gas her while she was gagged. quote: But maybe it's better with pepper spray made of chilli, the picture I have created of how to use it. Is along with the gag when she first drools with spit, use the tear gas or pepper spray, so I obtain a symphony of saliva, snot and tears I could imagine it would probably be enough to spray on a rag, and just hold it under her nose for a short time." The act of having her gagged while you are standing next to her could give her time before you could pull the gag off for her to stop being able to breathe due to mucus and/or have vomit inhalation. It would not cause the slower build up of saliva that can occur when a bottom is caused to cry during a scene where it can be removed before it reaches a risk of serious medical issues... tear gas reactions are fast and intense. The more you talk about this (and I'm sure we've all noted the many inconsistencies in your comments about experience, usage, intentions of use, etc) the more it is clear you are not someone who should do this type of play. Once again, I've no issue with people doing tear gas play - by your comments in this thread I'm only of the conclusion that you should not do tear gas play.

DesFIP -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/24/2013 8:09:38 PM)
OP. can you perform an emergency tracheotomy when her airflow is totally closed off? If not, then prepare to go to jail. Doesn't matter if she consented, the authorities will take a dim view of you doing this.

njlauren -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/24/2013 8:28:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I can not see some have used it in play. I have been involved in scene play for 30 years, have done some serious edge play, have been around a lot of serious players, who go way out, and I don't recall anyone ever using tear gas in play, I have never heard of anyone using it, read anything about anyone using it......which tells me it is likely if people do that, it is really rare, and probably for a reason. People come up with all kinds of things in play, but to be honest, I don't know what the fascination with tear gas is, you can do the same thing a lot more safely with something like onions, and get the same effect. I don't know if you are turned on by using something "out there" or think it is a clever thing to do, but the thing about BD/SM play is there is nothing to prove to anyone, and if people are telling you to be careful, to think about what you are doing, I would listen. The people on this board practice a wide variety of play styles, some pretty intense stuff, and almost everyone is saying they wouldn't recommend it. At the very least, if you are going to use it on someone, let them know what you plan on doing and give them the chance to consent to it..or are you planning to simply tie the girl up and do it without telling her?

theRose4U -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/25/2013 1:31:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I can not see some have used it in play. I have been involved in scene play for 30 years, have done some serious edge play, have been around a lot of serious players, who go way out, and I don't recall anyone ever using tear gas in play, I have never heard of anyone using it, read anything about anyone using it......which tells me it is likely if people do that, it is really rare, and probably for a reason. People come up with all kinds of things in play, but to be honest, I don't know what the fascination with tear gas is, you can do the same thing a lot more safely with something like onions, and get the same effect. I don't know if you are turned on by using something "out there" or think it is a clever thing to do, but the thing about BD/SM play is there is nothing to prove to anyone, and if people are telling you to be careful, to think about what you are doing, I would listen. The people on this board practice a wide variety of play styles, some pretty intense stuff, and almost everyone is saying they wouldn't recommend it. At the very least, if you are going to use it on someone, let them know what you plan on doing and give them the chance to consent to it..or are you planning to simply tie the girl up and do it without telling her? LOL what's the fun of obtaining consent when one is already committing a felony & obviously has ZERO regard to causing perminant damage. "Spray it in the eyes only causes pain for an hour" YEAH RIGHT try perminant cornea burns, retinal detachment, mucus membrane problems. There is a reason police recruits are sprayed under medical supervision (read doctor & medics standing right beside them)...so they not only respect the weapon they are using but don't have damage beyond a week or so.

kalikshama -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/25/2013 5:54:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Dude, do you really think you are qualified? How about you discuss how a medic was on the field and the prior test results were at disposal? Every grunt does this training. That doesn't make you qualified to execute it. [sm=goodpost.gif][sm=agree.gif] When we gas chamber trainees were asked if any of us were pregnant or was there a chance we might be pregnant, I figured I was a sexually active fertile female and opted out of going into the chamber. Sounded risky.

stef -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/25/2013 5:57:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Dude, do you really think you are qualified? How about you discuss how a medic was on the field and the prior test results were at disposal? Every grunt does this training. That doesn't make you qualified to execute it. But he's a Master! Doesn't that mean he's qualified?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/26/2013 8:16:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I am inexperienced in the use of teargas in BDSM play! And would like to hear if there are some who use it. I have experience with teargas on my own body, like most others, I have been playing with as a young. Four friends, each with their bottle of tear gas and play who go down first is not quite the same as using it BDSM You should ABSOLUTELY....never come to my home. It would be inordinately unwise.

absolutchocolat -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/26/2013 11:42:49 PM)
He's a weal twue Dom. Surely, his slave won't die under his expert care. [8\|]

MasterCaneman -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/27/2013 9:18:29 AM)
I have been playing with as a young. Four friends, each with their bottle of tear gas and play who go down first is not quite the same as using it BDSM You must have been a hoot at parties.

hrxxx -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 1:12:32 AM)
Conclusion of this thread is to me that there is some ignorance and that most find their information in questionable journals and wikipidia or they have fifth-hand information that is useless and a waste of space. But I guess if you're a waste of space in real life, then you are probably also a waste of space on the web. Fedback there were three posts that were useful to me. One was that gas is difficult to control, and it is a very good point, and based on that. I will do some research about chilli spray, since it seems to have the effect, I was looking for, with a much smaller efficiency. There was a post about the use of doctor and one about gas chamber, which made me think of my own medical examination before I started training, and I will use it in the future when I have a new girl to BDSM play, I will make her go to medical examination before BDSM whatever play we have planned together.

hrxxx -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 1:56:26 AM)
Like allways! i would never do anything to a girl she do not know i will do, this is common sens since i play withhout safe word. Some fantasies are not meant to be lived out, and some are. I'm not sure onions are the correct answer, but maybe tiger balm under the eyes and nose. Since it is not something I plan to do now, I have plenty of time to do research on other types of spray. Thanks for a useful and positive post

hrxxx -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 2:06:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I have been playing with as a young. Four friends, each with their bottle of tear gas and play who go down first is not quite the same as using it BDSM You must have been a hoot at parties. I can only remember we tried to play with tear gas once at a party lol it did not end well, but shut up it was fun to be young and without responsibility

MasterCaneman -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 7:58:52 AM)
I was young and dumb too. Teenage boys are masters at doing stupid things. This thread reminds me of an incident at another high school at that time. Seems that some idiot had managed to score a military-grade CS grenade and was trying to sell it to another student in a stairway. The other idiot thought it'd be a good idea to pull the pin. If I recall correctly, two people had to go to the hospital, one with a serious asthmatic reaction. For those interested in citing this, you can cmail me for the pertinent times/places. Not slamming you for wanting to open up a new avenue of sensation, but a lot of us here have had up-close and personal experiences with CS, and it's nothing to play with. Even the "experts" lose control of it, and there's too many things that can go wrong in a hurry, especially during scene play. There are other chemical irritants out there that don't have the liabilities that go along with the substance you're interested in.

BambiBoi -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 11:54:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx Conclusion of this thread is to me that there is some ignorance and that most find their information in questionable journals and wikipidia or they have fifth-hand information that is useless and a waste of space. But I guess if you're a waste of space in real life, then you are probably also a waste of space on the web. I think we've addressed the tear gas issue already. [sm=beatdeadhorse.gif] I have a question for you, HRXXX. Why are you mean to people to don't agree with? No one in this thread has said anything so remarkably stupid to be called a "waste of space in real life...and on the web." Some people have given very useful information that you disagreed with and completely disregarded. You may not know this, but you're getting the reputation around here as someone who cannot be reasoned with or spoken to. Here is the summary of this thread from my eyes: HRXXX: Tear gas for fun? Other People: Sounds pretty dangerous. Don't worry. I won't make her drink it or funnel it down her throat. .... Here's my experience with CS gas.... Fine. I won't make her drink cups of tear gas liquid or gag her and leave her in a room with it. So you don't want to acknowledge any of the hazards we warned you about, huh? You're all ignorant and a waste of space. You are now in a world where the only strength you have is your wisdom and ability to talk with people. We start here as equals. In my eyes, you gave up being a master when you were rude to me and my friends, boy.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 12:48:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL:hrxxx Conclusion of this thread is to me that there is some ignorance and that most find their information in questionable journals and wikipidia or they have fifth-hand information that is useless and a waste of space. But I guess if you're a waste of space in real life, then you are probably also a waste of space on the web. From the pot's mouth to the kettle's ear much? Mark my words, someone will one day end up seriously hurt in a "fucked up for the rest of their life" kind of way. I can only hope the person reads forum postings BEFORE placing their life in the hands of those who shall remain nameless so I do not violate the TOS As I've said before...you can lead a horse to water, but you can't prevent it from drowning itself once you get to the water's edge

stef -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 1:21:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx Conclusion of this thread is to me that there is some ignorance and that most find their information in questionable journals and wikipidia or they have fifth-hand information that is useless and a waste of space. But I guess if you're a waste of space in real life, then you are probably also a waste of space on the web. Rather than Master of Steel, you might want to consider changing your name to Master of Irony. It appears to be one of the very few things you have mastered.

sexyred1 -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 3:01:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity quote: ORIGINAL:hrxxx Conclusion of this thread is to me that there is some ignorance and that most find their information in questionable journals and wikipidia or they have fifth-hand information that is useless and a waste of space. But I guess if you're a waste of space in real life, then you are probably also a waste of space on the web. From the pot's mouth to the kettle's ear much? Mark my words, someone will one day end up seriously hurt in a "fucked up for the rest of their life" kind of way. I can only hope the person reads forum postings BEFORE placing their life in the hands of those who shall remain nameless so I do not violate the TOS As I've said before...you can lead a horse to water, but you can't prevent it from drowning itself once you get to the water's edge Ah, but haven't you read his sig line? The irony is sublime. Edited to say: Stef beat me to it.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/28/2013 5:22:15 PM)
Gotta admit that signature line is the best example of truth in advertising I've ever seen. I feel sorry for the gods. It's gotta be a bitch and a half dealing with that on a daily basis [:D]

hrxxx -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/29/2013 3:34:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BambiBoi quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx Conclusion of this thread is to me that there is some ignorance and that most find their information in questionable journals and wikipidia or they have fifth-hand information that is useless and a waste of space. But I guess if you're a waste of space in real life, then you are probably also a waste of space on the web. I think we've addressed the tear gas issue already. [sm=beatdeadhorse.gif] I have a question for you, HRXXX. Why are you mean to people to don't agree with? No one in this thread has said anything so remarkably stupid to be called a "waste of space in real life...and on the web." Some people have given very useful information that you disagreed with and completely disregarded. You may not know this, but you're getting the reputation around here as someone who cannot be reasoned with or spoken to. Here is the summary of this thread from my eyes: HRXXX: Tear gas for fun? Other People: Sounds pretty dangerous. Don't worry. I won't make her drink it or funnel it down her throat. .... Here's my experience with CS gas.... Fine. I won't make her drink cups of tear gas liquid or gag her and leave her in a room with it. So you don't want to acknowledge any of the hazards we warned you about, huh? You're all ignorant and a waste of space. You are now in a world where the only strength you have is your wisdom and ability to talk with people. We start here as equals. In my eyes, you gave up being a master when you were rude to me and my friends, boy. Let's try to do a little research on tear gas! shall we? What are the most common injuries from tear gas? They are fractures and brain damage and the damage does not come from gas, but from grenades. Can people die of tear gas? Yes, and when they die from the use of tear gas, then it looks like this How you die from tear gas Why are they dying of Teargas? Because they have no way of getting out of the gas, no matter where they run, there are gas, so if they have breathing problems, heart attacks, allergic reaction, etc. so there is a high risk of death. These deaths occur in the Middle East, and in the third world countries, because they use a military tear gas, and they can pretty much do what suits them. Police in europe and the united states use a less dangerous tear gas, and I have not heard of it have killed somebody yet, Are police tear gas dangerous? Yes it is dangerous. Is there a high risk of dying from it? Police in europe and the united states can not do as in the Middle East and third world countries, the risk of dying is minimal but it can happen. Spay tear gas, the tear gas ordinary people can buy is not the same as the police use or military use, this is a much less dangerous tear gas. I do not know if you can purchased this in the United States, but in Europe it is very common, and i have never heard of anyone that has been injured, by this type of tear gas. Is it dangerous? Yes it is dangerous during extreme use. Can you die from it? Yes and it looks like this sprayed to death Everything that is used in extreme use, you can die from, now matter what you can think of, in Europe if people start to die from, can spray gas it would not be sold very simpel. Did i ask about blowing up grenades in my house? or in a girl's head? Did i ask about cover my neighborhood in gas? Did i ask about using an entire can of tear gas? What kind of tear gas do you think i was talking about? As I said, I have found something called chilli spray, and it seems more suitable for my purposes, if you want to see how it works, you can see it here chilli spray wikipidia information and fifth-hand information is not enough to begin to advise and guide others, every thread you can find in here, there is advice and guidance from people who have their information from wikipidia, questionable fifth-hand sources and they do not even check their information before they write a comment and it can be dangerous to advise on something you know nothing about. Because I'm inexperienced in the use of tear gas in BDSM play is not the same as I know nothing about tear gas. If you try to read the whole thread again, do you think there are any good usable information? well i don `t If a girl reads this thread, and she is so afraid that she throws her anti-rape tear gas out because she thinks it is very dangerous. Will you feel responsible? If she is raped! You can see me as you like, but I can not disagree with something that is not true! If you want to read about the danger of BDSM can do so here Die in BDSM

hrxxx -> RE: Tear gas to inflict pain (6/29/2013 3:42:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I was young and dumb too. Teenage boys are masters at doing stupid things. This thread reminds me of an incident at another high school at that time. Seems that some idiot had managed to score a military-grade CS grenade and was trying to sell it to another student in a stairway. The other idiot thought it'd be a good idea to pull the pin. If I recall correctly, two people had to go to the hospital, one with a serious asthmatic reaction. For those interested in citing this, you can cmail me for the pertinent times/places. Not slamming you for wanting to open up a new avenue of sensation, but a lot of us here have had up-close and personal experiences with CS, and it's nothing to play with. Even the "experts" lose control of it, and there's too many things that can go wrong in a hurry, especially during scene play. There are other chemical irritants out there that don't have the liabilities that go along with the substance you're interested in. I have never used military-grade, and don`t think you can buy it anywher, not in Europe anyway, and i have never seen you can buy granades, i have only used the small spray, and as I said it is something we played with when I was young

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