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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 9:23:04 PM

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Actually the right word is sadistic and not dominance. I do not like when inexperienced people giving advice on something they have no experience with. it seems to me stupid.

My experience with tear gas is that it is very painful and can last up to 2 hours if it comes directly in the eyes, but I did not get skin allergies, heart failure, asthma, permanently damage, and I did not die.

An example if I may:

People with Latex allergies have prior exposure to latex and show no reaction.
It is that prior exposure that creates the potential for a future allergic reaction.

Often people who become allergic to latex either show very mild allergic symptoms or none at all and then they have a major reaction, that often results in anaphylaxis.
The same thing happens when someone develops a bee sting allergy.

So, someone could indeed have an allergy and simply not know it.

As for Asthma: someone could have a mild form and not even know it.
And then exposure to the irritant could bring on an attack that could be fatal.

Edit: typo

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 9:27:56 PM

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Why ask a question if you think you already have the answer?

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 9:37:41 PM

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Because it is one way to test the validity of ones own logic and reasoning.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 9:38:19 PM

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This make common sense to me, it should not be used if the girl has 1) Skin allergies 2) Have a heart defect 3) Have asthma.

And as I wrote before, it is not to spray on the genitals, skin, or directly in the eyes.

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Find out her medical history...I have asthma, if someone sprayed that stuff in the

Do you have any idea of the number of people who don't know they have a heart defect? Or an allergy that causes breathing problems?

If you're experimenting with this on a healthy younger person who has those as-yet-undiagnosed problems, what's your plan when they go into cardiac arrest or full-on apnea?

You're only as safe (and I use that word loosely) for what you know about her diagnosed health, not what you've yet triggered to her body under stress of a substance for which you can't entirely control dosage or exposure.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 10:17:40 PM

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I've tried gas chamber, where I had to remove the gas mask out of gear and and put it on also change the filter in the gas chamber, and I've been out and get blown gas in the larger area under fire, I think it is very normal military training, but my experience of it, is simply to effect does not last long, and when you get the gas chamber in the fresh air will disappear fast. If I had to use my experience from military training it is enough that the girl will be medically examined as one does before military training, and maybe it's not a bad idea to do it no matter what play people play.

About the use of gag, I would never leave a girl alone if she was exposed to gas and gag, this is common Sens

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 10:26:50 PM

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There in lies the rub. A lot of people don't make the effort or do the research.

Judging from some of the OPs other posts, that would be questionable.

Yes some people do not like to do the research. I still do not think people should be protected from themselves, if they really want to do something that do not harm anyone but themselves I feel it is their lives and if they want to be fools about it then that is their loss. I strongly believe people should have the right to do with their lives as they wish as long as they do not harm anyone but those who are willing to be harmed, though off course it is far better if they actually do their research and do not put themselves in unneeded danger.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 10:28:41 PM

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This entire thread reminds me of boot camp. Those guys yelling at us sure blew my mind as they stood around twiddling their thumbs while the rest of us were retching. No. They did not wear masks. Who doesn't love a terrifying authority figure that can breathe CS gas and not blink an eye?

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 10:30:54 PM

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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I said that people will do what they will, and that I understood the principle of that. I personally don't think that because something can be done that it should be done. That's my own personal opinion, I'm entitled to it, just as others have other opinions that I will uphold their right to have- although I don't agree with what they're doing.

I certainly do have the right to say if I think a kink isn't right or is too extreme. I still uphold that person's right to do it unless it's illegal or whatever else. I don't think some things should be done just because they can be, that is my right to say. I didn't say they couldn't do it. Hope that clears things up...

I have never said that you do not have the right to express your opinion on this, you can say and write whatever you please no problem, I am just expressing that I disagree with your stance in this. I do think it is great that you do not want to force your opinion on others and neither do I. I just feel that people should be allowed to do as they please as long as everyone involved are consensual. I have never said it is not your right to say you do not think something should be done because it is to extreme, just as it is also my right to say that I disagree with you.

I wish you well

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 10:31:04 PM

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I can not see some have used it in play.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/23/2013 11:58:06 PM

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I do not see how I can advise you, since I have no experience in the use of gas in the breeze.

If you read this whole thread again, and ask yourself whether they which hare's experience would write about it here, after reading the thread, the answer is probably no.

If you plan to do it without knowing others' experience.

You probably should not spray in

Mouth
On the genitals
In the eyes
Get them to drink it
Forcing a tube down ther throat and spray in that or ther ass
And i am sure ther is many other way you should NOT use it.

You find a way to do it anyway.

Your slave coughs and is choking
So stop the inccident! (same do all inccident situation in BDSM and outside BDSM)
And how do you do it? Remove gag, open windows and doors so that there is fresh air
(Now the inccident is stopped! And that can go wrong has gone wrong.)
Now you can start treatment or call 911
Treatment I would use rag and COLD water ..

Do all this make sens to you?

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 12:01:32 AM

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This entire thread reminds me of boot camp. Those guys yelling at us sure blew my mind as they stood around twiddling their thumbs while the rest of us were retching. No. They did not wear masks. Who doesn't love a terrifying authority figure that can breathe CS gas and not blink an eye?

I can tell i did not blink the times i got it in the eyes, this was to painfull to blink lol

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 12:25:57 AM

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no actually I do not know if a girl has allergies or a bad heart. And it got me thinking, a girl had before BDSM undergo a medical examination, and tell the doctor she will participate in extreme military training, and she wants to know if there is anything she should avoid.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 12:35:53 AM

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Dude, do you really think you are qualified?

How about you discuss how a medic was on the field and the prior test results were at disposal?

Every grunt does this training. That doesn't make you qualified to execute it.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 1:20:22 AM

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That is not a good idea, the doctor know the military have their own doctors, it is far better to tell the doctor the truth, they have doctor/patient confidentiality after and and tell him or her exactly what she is planning on doing and why she want the examination. It is always far better to be up front with one's doctor and search until one find a kink friendly one.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 6:21:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: hrxxx

Actually the right word is sadistic and not dominance. I do not like when inexperienced people giving advice on something they have no experience with. it seems to me stupid.

My experience with tear gas is that it is very painful and can last up to 2 hours if it comes directly in the eyes, but I did not get skin allergies, heart failure, asthma, permanently damage, and I did not die.

And it seems silly to me for a person to be speaking about using a risky item when he admits he is inexperienced in using it.

You might not have had an allergic reaction to it, went into cardiac arrest, suffered permanent damage, or died...but your experience isn't going to be the same as someone else. IT IS NOT ALL OR NONE WHEN IT COMES TO REACTIONS. We are ALL different and will react differently. Mark my words...you are seriously going to fuck someone up with this clueless rationalization of foolish choices. Quite frankly, someone being under your care, custody, and control is a scary thought.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 7:25:57 AM

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FRing it here...

Hey, I did my turn in the gas chamber, and it's nothing to play around with. It's a weapon, not a toy. I look at it the same as if I decided to do a gun play scene with a loaded firearm. Yes, I'm a skilled operator, but that in no way diminishes the irresponsibility of using a real weapon with live ammunition in a play scene. And from what the previous posts indicate, the substance is illegal to possess by a civilian in your country, which says to me that you are asking others to assist you in committing an illegal act.

I repeat, it's a weapon. There are other irritants you can use in play that don't have the risks associated with it. If not for yourself or your partner, at least think about the neighbors if this agent escapes your control (which it will, if activated correctly).

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 7:31:59 AM

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a girl had before BDSM undergo a medical examination, and tell the doctor she will participate
in extreme military training, and she wants to know if there is anything she should avoid.

Hopefully, the doctor's answer will be to avoid people who aren't qualified to implement such training.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 7:41:05 AM

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no actually I do not know if a girl has allergies or a bad heart. And it got me thinking, a girl had before BDSM undergo a medical examination, and tell the doctor she will participate in extreme military training, and she wants to know if there is anything she should avoid.

This one needed to have attention drawn to it. You are advocating lying to a physician too? What's wrong with telling the doctor the truth? Since you are so convinced based on your own experience that nothing bad will happen, the truth shouldn't present a problem, right?

Not only would you be screwing over the person you talk of using this stuff on for your own personal kicks, but you stand the chance of screwing over some poor physician who was lied to as well should things go all amateur hour fucked up.

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 11:48:16 AM

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HRXXX, maybe there is a language barrier here, so I will ask more directly:

Why do you want to do it?

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RE: Tear gas to inflict pain - 6/24/2013 3:10:45 PM

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Way back when I was a kid, I was in a car and with a buddy who for whatever reason (Don't ask. lets just say I was a wild child and then some) was carrying a military grade tear gas grenade that he accidentally set off.
Man, we were rolling down Ocean Blvd, like mid June, Friday night, place utterly packed...and we bailed out of that car in seconds flat, gas billowing out the open doors-it was hideous. That shit burns. Eyes, nose, skin, lungs. It gets under your clothes and in em, burns like all get out. A truly awful experience.
We abandoned car right then and there. never even went back to try and get it. No way that shit was coming out of the upholstery. It would have been like the body scent from Goodfellas.

I'm a cat who thinks things such as Dave's Insanity Sauce and Scotch Bonnets are spectacular for scenes and even I won't play with that shit . Not in an enclosed space especially. (Hot fantasy though. I'd love to spread some wench wide with a speculum and mace her inner twat. Then sit back and listen to her scream and wail while I watch her writhe. Yeah, that would be sexy as hell.Sounds wonderful in my head. In reality, not so much)

Just my experience.

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